Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

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Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:10 pm

He’s quick, tall and knows where the back of the net is.

Given Tottenham’s defence a hard time tonight with his pace and work rate.

Would love to sign him but no doubt would be out of our budget.



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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:16 pm

Doesn't sound like a Dyche striker to me

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by DomBFC1882 » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:19 pm

Decent player however I would rather us go for a few of their other lads

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:36 pm

Anyway back to the subject matter. He was only player for Brentford that impressed me in that game.

Would suit our style well.

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:38 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:36 pm
Anyway back to the subject matter. He was only player for Brentford that impressed me in that game.

Would suit our style well.
Quite he looked like he could be more than decent

...and yes the previous comment I will concede as somewhat ill judged given the current climate.

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by bfcjg » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:48 pm

Would he be one that fit ALK's ideal though ?

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:50 pm

They had a few that impressed me again tonight.

Very confident with the ball at their feet and want to go forward.
Enjoyable to watch.

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by TVC15 » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:51 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:48 pm
Would he be one that fit ALK's ideal though ?
Well he’s a good player, scored loads for a team doing great in the championship and played really well tonight against Spurs. Not sure what’s not to like about him.

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:07 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:51 pm
Well he’s a good player, scored loads for a team doing great in the championship and played really well tonight against Spurs. Not sure what’s not to like about him.
My only concern with buying anyone from Brentford is they want top top dollar.

They would want at least 20m for Toney which in this climate I’m not sure is worth it.

I think Brentford as a whole would struggle in the prem. gave the ball away a ridiculous amount tonight

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:09 pm

He looked like a confident striker.

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by Stayingup » Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:31 pm

If I recall it was rumoured that we had an interest in him when he played against us for Posh not long back. He scored. He would have cost a lot less then

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:34 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:07 pm
My only concern with buying anyone from Brentford is they want top top dollar.

They would want at least 20m for Toney which in this climate I’m not sure is worth it.

I think Brentford as a whole would struggle in the prem. gave the ball away a ridiculous amount tonight
We paid £15 million for Wood who was 26 at the time, so £20 million isn't a bad price for someone who's younger.

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by jurek » Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:37 pm

I like the look of Dasliva albeit he got sent off.
Not sure we could afford him as suspect Brentford would
15m+ but you never know.

Possibly on loan till end of season and then we buy
could be an option?

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by tiger76 » Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:38 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:31 pm
If I recall it was rumoured that we had an interest in him when he played against us for Posh not long back. He scored. He would have cost a lot less then
He was mentioned often on this board, and yes he'd have been a lot cheaper £5m or so probably, this is why we need to try and snap up talent from the lower leagues before they move out of our price range, even with the new investment I don't expect mega money signings, but we can surely stretch to a couple of £5-10m signings with a potential sell on value.
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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by bfcjg » Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:51 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:51 pm
Well he’s a good player, scored loads for a team doing great in the championship and played really well tonight against Spurs. Not sure what’s not to like about him.
Hopefully they and Dyche will work together on players that Dyche wants, they are involved with analysis and things. Wasn't one of the reasons Dyche and Garlic fell out was transfer interference ( then no transfers at all ).

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:16 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:31 pm
If I recall it was rumoured that we had an interest in him when he played against us for Posh not long back. He scored. He would have cost a lot less then
It’s true, but would he have had the opportunities to be nurtured and develop in the Premier League? It’s quite likely we would have needed to send him on loan to the Championship and we’ve never been in a position to be able to carry excess players by choice.

It’s one of the conundrums we find ourselves in, with the real threat of relegation every season it’s difficult to blood inexperienced players. Maybe an area where we see some improvement.

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by KRBFC » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:03 am

I think a prime Martin Paterson is the kind we should be looking for, in the Vardy mould of fast and non stop pressing from the front with an eye for goal.

People will undoubtedly scoff at me saying Paterson but I really like Pato when he was here and it was sad how the injuries killed his career here.
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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:09 am

Brentford are second in the league and have every chance of going up, they would be insane to sell any of their players unless they are absolutely skint

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by claretandy » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:11 am

Again, this ship has sailed, Brentford would want too much, we need to identify and buy these players before they take off.

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by superdimitri » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:22 am

Played against us and didn't seem all that. I guess he didn't do so well on Riggs football manager game.

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by NottsClaret » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:22 am

I agree it’s the move before they get to the Championship that will be more in our price range and get the big value increase for the ALK bean counters.

But as Rileybobs says, taking a punt on a League One player to help keep you from relegation is quite the risk. It’s good for a laugh when we keep getting senior pros from Stoke but would we all be cool if all we bring in this month is a lad from Peterborough or Forest Green Rovers?

I think stuff like that is more likely in the summer.

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by MACCA » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:28 am

Rumoured to have cost Brentford up to 9m from Peterborough, 6 months later they are wanting 20m for him.

Ideally we want to be cutting out the middle man for deals like this.

Interestingly Alan Pace mentioned finding club partners, which would allow players to play first team minutes if they cannot get that with us.
Hopefully that may mean getting young rising talent in early cutting out the middle man, and still getting them first team minutes and developing whilst still being a Burnley player.
If a partner club is found, hopefully our youngsters will get out and tested more too, as it usually once given a decent 1st team run you find out if its boom or bust.
The premier league isn't a league you can give 1 or 2 young or raw players 20 games to settle and see if they take off.

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by jojomk1 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:39 am

Would rather sign Brentford's recruitment team ;)

WE did look at him before he signed for Brentford but clearly didn't see what potential was there

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:52 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:39 am
Would rather sign Brentford's recruitment team ;)

WE did look at him before he signed for Brentford but clearly didn't see what potential was there
Or didn't think he was ready to play in the Premier League, which considering before last season he best season was 16 in League 1 isn't hard to imagine.

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by Cubanclaret » Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:42 am

Part of the problem here is that the striking department probably hasn’t been a priority for us over the past few windows. We have good competition for places and 4 lads (or 3 1/2 ;) who have all proved capable at PL level. Compare that with some of our rivals. Perhaps SD feels
It’s the supply chain that is the priority.
He does look a good player though. Thought that when he played in the cup here for Posh.

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by Untinted Glasses » Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:45 am

I think what we need to be buying is Brentfords scouting system
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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by jojomk1 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:50 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:52 am
Or didn't think he was ready to play in the Premier League, which considering before last season he best season was 16 in League 1 isn't hard to imagine.
It's called "buying/investing for the future"

Something Brentford seem to do very well given the profits they have made on players over recent years ;)

And this guy looks likely to be the next example
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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by Stayingup » Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:56 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:16 pm
It’s true, but would he have had the opportunities to be nurtured and develop in the Premier League? It’s quite likely we would have needed to send him on loan to the Championship and we’ve never been in a position to be able to carry excess players by choice.

It’s one of the conundrums we find ourselves in, with the real threat of relegation every season it’s difficult to blood inexperienced players. Maybe an area where we see some improvement.
Yes you are right about that - excess players - and maybe the Gibson episode is a prime example. |Also a good comment about relegation threat. If we were comfrtable year after year then maybe we could 'blood' younfg players. As it things stand we have to buy, mainly from the Championship (or lower) and hope the player makes the Grade in Premier League. We have hugely successful in that.

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by Damo » Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:01 am

We're we ever linked with him? I remember quite a few people on here being impressed with his performance against us v Peterborough

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:01 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:50 am
It's called "buying/investing for the future"

Something Brentford seem to do very well given the profits they have made on players over recent years ;)

And this guy looks likely to be the next example

You could also argue that we signed players could enough to get promoted (something Brentford have never managed to ever do) and the profits they make from having to sell players we make from being in the Premier League.

Had we signed him from Peterborough do you think he would have had the game time of playing almost every minute allowing him to develop as he had done ?

Also if you are going off signing players from lower leagues what profit do you think we could make from Pope, Taylor. Tarks & Brownhill to name just 4 ?

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by Burnley1989 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:03 am

KRBFC wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:03 am
I think a prime Martin Paterson is the kind we should be looking for, in the Vardy mould of fast and non stop pressing from the front with an eye for goal.

People will undoubtedly scoff at me saying Paterson but I really like Pato when he was here and it was sad how the injuries killed his career here.
Paterson was never ever Premier League quality, he was ok in the championship on his day, nothing more though in my opinion
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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by FactualFrank » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:07 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:09 am
Brentford are second in the league and have every chance of going up, they would be insane to sell any of their players unless they are absolutely skint
4th, but your point still stands, if they're to go up they need to keep hold of their best players.

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by Stayingup » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:28 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:22 am
Played against us and didn't seem all that. I guess he didn't do so well on Riggs football manager game.
Theres a thought Rigg. How will he fit with ALK?

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:09 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:07 am
4th, but your point still stands, if they're to go up they need to keep hold of their best players.
Getting Vydra as part of the deal might help persuade them.

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by jojomk1 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:23 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:28 pm
Theres a thought Rigg. How will he fit with ALK?
Good question

One assumes ALK will have asked for the thoughts of both Dyche and Garlick on Rigg's work so far

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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by Brunlea » Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:56 pm

Claret Toney?
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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by KRBFC » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:27 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:03 am
Paterson was never ever Premier League quality, he was ok in the championship on his day, nothing more though in my opinion
Fair point I still think that’s the kind of player we need, a nippy striker who chases everything with an eye for a goal.
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Re: Is Toney Dyche’s ideal striker

Post by Claret Toni » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:04 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:03 am
Paterson was never ever Premier League quality, he was ok in the championship on his day, nothing more though in my opinion
Always felt Paterson was naive and never learnt - yes he chased most things but he could never get anything from a defender shielding the ball out for a goal kick.

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