Robert Snodgrass

[NewClaret]

A no from me. I'd sincerely hope that ALK are looking for younger players to develop than 33 year olds.

Good player though, could do a job for WBA.

[Steve1956]

2021 - 1956 would make you 65
Think about that

64...obviously your not Roland and you didnt go to Grange Hill,my mistake forgive me!?

[Colburn_Claret]

Phil Jones is a mere 9 months older than Tarks...

Long is never going to be a first choice here and I suspect he's content with that plus he's 30yrs old now.

We aren't buying Tarks, he is already here.
Tarks has played more premier league games this season, than Jones has probably played in the last 3 years. When you aren't playing regularly, your reputation from 5 years ago doesn't count for diddly squat.
I'm not knocking Jones, he might still be able to deliver, he might fit into Dyches system, he might....... For the money they would want, and the wages he would probably want, I just don't see it as a good option.

[Hibsclaret]

Not for me

[GodIsADeeJay81]

We aren't buying Tarks, he is already here.
Tarks has played more premier league games this season, than Jones has probably played in the last 3 years. When you aren't playing regularly, your reputation from 5 years ago doesn't count for diddly squat.
I'm not knocking Jones, he might still be able to deliver, he might fit into Dyches system, he might....... For the money they would want, and the wages he would probably want, I just don't see it as a good option.

Utd are willing to pay a chunk of his wage to get him out.
He's on about £75-100k a week I think.

Just found it amusing that Phil Jones apparently isn't the future at 28, but 30yr old 4th choice Long is...

[Untinted Glasses]

You actually won't get many better players than Long who are happy just to sit there and wait for injuries to get a game

[Wellsy1882]

Utd are willing to pay a chunk of his wage to get him out.
He's on about £75-100k a week I think.

Just found it amusing that Phil Jones apparently isn't the future at 28, but 30yr old 4th choice Long is...

Phil jones is 10 times the player of long with the experience and age on side

[Untinted Glasses]

Why we comparing jones to long ? Long is just a permanent sub.

[jojomk1]

If nobody else available then a loan till the end of the season should be the max

It also gives him a chance of going into the shop window for next summer if he still has the desire to play at a decent level

[boatshed bill]

I know this is a thread about Snodgrass, but as Jones features so much this is how I see it.
We need a central defender of Jones' quality, the gap between our first choice pairing and its replacements is too great at present.
so, perhaps a loan.

[Leisure]

Correct, the same as when I saw Tarks come on against Arsenal as a 70th minute (around there) sub. After a few minutes I realised he was class. I suppose its about the individuals eye. You either have an eye or you don't.

Lets see where he ends up. We will re-open this when he's playing non league. I'm positive he will never be a premier league regular. Lets wait and see

Wow! So you're saying that you have an eye for assessing the likely potential of a player( and that's after seeing him play out of position in just 2 games), which presumably the manager doesn't!

[Untinted Glasses]

Wow! So you're saying that you have an eye for assessing the likely potential of a player( and that's after seeing him play out of position in just 2 games), which presumably the manager doesn't!

Correct, as for the manager I cannot answer that,you'll have to ask him
Like I said before lets revisit this thread when he's plying his trade down the divisions. I will put my money where my mouth is with any one that he will not be a regular 1st team premier league player at any stage during his 'career'

[Leisure]

Correct, as for the manager I cannot answer that,you'll have to ask him
Like I said before lets revisit this thread when he's plying his trade down the divisions. I will put my money where my mouth is with any one that he will not be a regular 1st team premier league player at any stage during his 'career'

I presume that you've offered your 'eye' to the club, as your talents are obviously not being taken advantage off! I'd be interested to hear your assessment of some of the other players coming through the ranks? Or can you only do that after you've seen them playing out of position in a couple of games!

[Untinted Glasses]

I presume that you've offered your 'eye' to the club, as your talents are obviously not being taken advantage off! I'd be interested to hear your assessment of some of the other players coming through the ranks? Or can you only do that after you've seen them playing out of position in a couple of games!

Im not sure why the constant berating of me and my judgment in Benson. Just take the bet. Time will tell. At this stage there is no "I was right" or "you was right" but in time you will eat your words and lose your money should you wish to have a wager.

[tiger76]

In reply to the original op, Snodgrass no thanks, he's an aging journeyman, West Brom are welcome to him, if we're going to target a right winger I'd rather we went for a younger model, Jed Wallace at Millwall has been heavily linked, and at 26 he should be approaching his prime, so if we can nab him for £10m or less that'd represent a good investment in a key area for us.

[Untinted Glasses]

I presume that you've offered your 'eye' to the club, as your talents are obviously not being taken advantage off! I'd be interested to hear your assessment of some of the other players coming through the ranks? Or can you only do that after you've seen them playing out of position in a couple of games!

Whats this out of position thing? I was a centre midfielder, if I played right midfield I didn't lose my ability to tackle, see a pass and lose 3 yards of pace. Asking a centre midfielder to play right midfield is not really asking him to play out of position especially in our 'framework'

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Playing right of a midfield is a different mindset to that of a centre mid.
Same with centre back or full back.

[Untinted Glasses]

Playing right of a midfield is a different mindset to that of a centre mid.
Same with centre back or full back.

I'd tend to agree with the centre back and full back but not with midfielders. You certainly shouldn't be a fish out of water. You shouldn't lose an eye for a pass, tackling and any pace you might have. I did also say in our framework, it would be different if he was being asked to fly down the wing skinning players and whipping balls into the box.

[Untinted Glasses]

Any way, I don't think he's even a footballers cousin, so let's just agree to differ. Time will tell.

[Conroysleftfoot]

In reply to the original op, Snodgrass no thanks, he's an aging journeyman, West Brom are welcome to him, if we're going to target a right winger I'd rather we went for a younger model, Jed Wallace at Millwall has been heavily linked, and at 26 he should be approaching his prime, so if we can nab him for £10m or less that'd represent a good investment in a key area for us.

Definitely agree about Wallace, looks very good going forward. Don't know what he is like tracking back.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I'd tend to agree with the centre back and full back but not with midfielders. You certainly shouldn't be a fish out of water. You shouldn't lose an eye for a pass, tackling and any pace you might have. I did also say in our framework, it would be different if he was being asked to fly down the wing skinning players and whipping balls into the box.

He's having to think about a winger and full back on that side, help protect his own full back and the midfielder on his inside whilst ensuring no one goes round the outside of him.
It's a different mindset and he did whip a ball into the box the last time I saw him play.

For example - Sissoko at Spurs, was garbage when played out on the wing, but in the middle he's fine.

[LS7]

Would have been worth signing him just so West Brom don’t

[KRBFC]

Any way, I don't think he's even a footballers cousin, so let's just agree to differ. Time will tell.

What is your issue? confused by your non stop slagging off of a young lad from our u23s. Shouldn’t we support him in his development?

[jojomk1]

Snodgrass confirmed to WBA for 18 months

Just hope someone comes in for Jones now and Tarks stays till summer (Jones will not want to come as 3rd choice)

[Untinted Glasses]

What is your issue? confused by your non stop slagging off of a young lad from our u23s. Shouldn’t we support him in his development?

I’m not supporting a future Torquay player

[Untinted Glasses]

He's having to think about a winger and full back on that side, help protect his own full back and the midfielder on his inside whilst ensuring no one goes round the outside of him.
It's a different mindset and he did whip a ball into the box the last time I saw him play.

For example - Sissoko at Spurs, was garbage when played out on the wing, but in the middle he's fine.

You think he’s good, I know he’s shite. Just let it go now. Time will tell

[GodIsADeeJay81]

You think he’s good, I know he’s shite. Just let it go now. Time will tell

This is about mindset for different positions.

[Vino blanco]

Snodgrass is 33 and past it. I'll file him alongside Crouch and Lennon.

[nil_desperandum]

Snodgrass confirmed to WBA for 18 months

Just hope someone comes in for Jones now and Tarks stays till summer (Jones will not want to come as 3rd choice)

It's been said quite a few times on previous threads: if Jones is fit and playing anything like his potential, he'd be first choice at RB or as a defensive midfielder, so he wouldn't have to wait for a vacancy at CB caused by injury, suspension or whatever.

[IanMcL]

It might stop us letting in the odd freekick at the last minute!

[Leisure]

Im not sure why the constant berating of me and my judgment in Benson. Just take the bet. Time will tell. At this stage there is no "I was right" or "you was right" but in time you will eat your words and lose your money should you wish to have a wager.

Chill. Who's berating you? I'm intrigued as to why you feel that you know more about player potential after 2 games than the manager, who's obviously seen him far more? And I've not said that he will make it as a PL player but after seeing him in about 10 U23 games and a few PL appearances I'm prepared to wait and see.

[MrTopTier]

Signed for West Brom.

[Gordaleman]

we were close to signing him but something like having to pay off his gambling debts as part of the deal rings a bell. Didn't he sign for hull

That was just paper talk. His debts had already been paid off by then.

Would have been a good signing for us at the time, but we've moved on since then.

[Untinted Glasses]

Benson didn't take the opportunity to impress tonight but I'll still rely on the manager's opinion of him rather than yours.

PS - bet you were over the moon that the lad had a poor game!

Nope not over the moon just disappointed in him starting. I wouldn’t like to to soo meek as to think some one else’s opinion is better than my own eyes .

But yea another shocking game from him

[Papabendi]

Snograss would have given our youth profile a shot in the arm.

[dougcollins]

Another Stephens.

[DCWat]

I’d far rather have Snodgrass than Stephens.

[ClaretTony]

I’d far rather have Snodgrass than Stephens.

You can hardly compare those two players

[ksrclaret]

I’d far rather have Snodgrass than Stephens.

Anybody in their right mind would.

[DCWat]

You can hardly compare those two players

Obviously not from a positional perspective but of course a comparison can be made.

I can compare them in that both were transferred in recent windows for relatively small amounts. That both are coming to the end of their careers (certainly at this level).

I can make a comparison by having a view on which player I think would have brought the biggest benefit to Burnley.

Central midfield and right midfield have both been positions that we have been poor in and needed reinforcements in (still do) but my view is that Snodgrass would have been better for us than Stephens.

[KRBFC]

Obviously not from a positional perspective but of course a comparison can be made.

I can compare them in that both were transferred in recent windows for relatively small amounts. That both are coming to the end of their careers (certainly at this level).

I can make a comparison by having a view on which player I think would have brought the biggest benefit to Burnley.

Central midfield and right midfield have both been positions that we have been poor in and needed reinforcements in (still do) but my view is that Snodgrass would have been better for us than Stephens.

Snodgrass played CM for West Ham more than out wide, albeit in a midfield 3.

[DCWat]

Snodgrass played CM for West Ham more than out wide, albeit in a midfield 3.

That would be very unlikely with us, though I wouldn’t have been against that. I think his work rate and quality on the ball would have been a real boost to us.

[StTedsOB]

Right now both Snodgrass and Stephens look like poor signings.
Given Snodgrass was on £75k a week at West Ham and seems to have been “happy” to sit on the bench for the last few years I would be amazed if he signed for West Brom for less money.
Stephens was signed for us at a time when Cork was badly injured and we had no cover. He was a cheap option we know that - but clearly SD had little money to play with. It’s not worked out for Stephens and at his age he’s probably not going to improve much but SD has to take the whole squad picture into account when making these decisions and he was very much backed into a corner of not signing anyone or signing Stephens and in his position most managers would choose the latter.

[Elizabeth]

Not convinced by Stephens but tonight he was left to do all the work in central midfield until about 10 minutes before half time . Something that would not have happened with Westwood next to him. No fault of Benson , he tried his best and still needs a lot of work to his game . Unfortunately the damage had been done by then

[DCWat]

Why does Snodgrass look like a poor signing? I’ve only seen the odd few highlights admittedly, but in those he looked half decent.

I’d be very surprised if he was in anything like £75k at West Brom, though I could be wrong.

I’m not saying that a CM wasn’t needed just as you’re not saying that a RM wasn’t / isn’t needed, simply that given a choice of the two, Snodgrass would have brought more benefit - in my view.

[DCWat]

Not convinced by Stephens but tonight he was left to do all the work in central midfield until about 10 minutes before half time . Something that would not have happened with Westwood next to him. No fault of Benson , he tried his best and still needs a lot of work to his game . Unfortunately the damage had been done by then

Agreed - he’ll have had much easier games and with better support.