• Can anyone name these players (50s or 60s)?

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:43 pm**

I've been sent this photo and asked if I could name the players signing the autographs but I don't have a clue.

What I do know is the boy second from the left used to post on the message board but sadly passed away a few years ago.

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Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:51 pm**

Not him I know, but, ironically, doesn’t the one on the right look like Colin Bell?

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:52 pm**

Are they definitely Burnley players, CT ??

If pushed I would place the haircuts at 1961-65, they might be away players, perhaps even SV Hamburg or Vfb Stuttgart ?

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:54 pm**

looks like early to mid sixties to me judging by hairstyles and clothing

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:55 pm**

Clarets4me wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:52 pm
Are they definitely Burnley players, CT ??

If pushed I would place the haircuts at 1961-65, they might be away players, perhaps even SV Hamburg or Vfb Stuttgart ?

that makes sense - is the building now the specs place on Kierby walk - they could have been staying at the hotel

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:58 pm**

RMutt wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:51 pm
Not him I know, but, ironically, doesn’t the one on the right look like Colin Bell?

I wouldn't rule him out, Colin Bell was only 20 in the 1966-7 season and started every game for City that campaign ...

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:03 pm**

RMutt wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:51 pm
Not him I know, but, ironically, doesn’t the one on the right look like Colin Bell?

How do you know it’s not Colin bell ? I think it is

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:04 pm**

Possibly Francis Lee on the left with Colin bell

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:05 pm**

Clarets4me wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:52 pm
Are they definitely Burnley players, CT ??

If pushed I would place the haircuts at 1961-65, they might be away players, perhaps even SV Hamburg or Vfb Stuttgart ?

Don’t think they are Burnley players. I thought Hamburg initially. It’s outside the Keirby.

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:07 pm**

this was Colin Bell in 1967 - I do not think it was him

https://premierfootballcards.com/manche ... 7083-p.asp

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:08 pm**

Untinted Glasses wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:04 pm
Possibly Francis Lee on the left with Colin bell

Definitely not Frannie !

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:09 pm**

Francis Lee

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:12 pm**

Colin Todd ?

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:12 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:05 pm
Don’t think they are Burnley players. I thought Hamburg initially. It’s outside the Keirby.

possibly Stuermer and Werner of SV Hamburg (Stuermer in the middle) - not confident though

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:12 pm**

That’s an impressive autograph book!

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:16 pm**

Looks like Colin Todd

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:18 pm**

Stanbill05 wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:12 pm
That’s an impressive autograph book!

I wish I knew where it went. My Mum seems to think it got lost when my Grandma moved house.

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:26 pm**

This is my guess ..... Lothar Schamer and Jurgen Grabowski of Eintracht Frankfurt, so that would make it April 1967 ...

Edit: Some reasoning ,

1) If " CT " hasn't a clue, then they're highly unlikely to be Burnley players. One, perhaps but not two unrecognised from the 1960's ..

2) I think " Chester Perry " is right when he say's it's outside the " Kierby Hotel ". The London sides traditionally used to get the Train up to Manchester the day before games, stay in Manchester, and then get a Coach over the hills to Burnley on the day of the game.

3) Europeans were then usually a couple of years behind on clothing, haircuts etc which makes the player on the right's hair too modern to be 1961. His mate's still sporting a " DA " style cut. If I'm right, Grabowski with the trendy cut would have been 22, whereas Schamer was 27. Pictures I've seen of Schamer show him with an " Andy Payton/Will Carling " type cleft chin, which the player featured left clearly has ...

Of course, this could all be way off track, and they may be members of " Herman's Hermits " !!

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:38 pm**

Could it be a young Ray Pointer

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:45 pm**

Clarets4me wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:26 pm
This is my guess ..... Lothar Schamer and Jurgen Grabowski of Eintracht Frankfurt, so that would make it April 1967 ...

I think you are correct

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Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:45 pm**

https://images.app.goo.gl/kcuEyFA7VKYCRPZb8

Jurgen Grabowski

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:53 pm**

Taking a Poirot type stance, it looks like a wedding ring on the right hand, common on the Continent

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:04 pm**

JohnMac wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:53 pm
Taking a Poirot type stance, it looks like a wedding ring on the right hand, common on the Continent

" N'est pas ! " .....

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:30 pm**

JohnMac wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:53 pm
Taking a Poirot type stance, it looks like a wedding ring on the right hand, common on the Continent

That’s some real detective work

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:32 pm**

JohnMac wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:53 pm
Taking a Poirot type stance, it looks like a wedding ring on the right hand, common on the Continent

That’s some real detective work

Clarets4me wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:26 pm
This is my guess ..... Lothar Schamer and Jurgen Grabowski of Eintracht Frankfurt, so that would make it April 1967 ...

Edit: Some reasoning ,

1) If " CT " hasn't a clue, then they're highly unlikely to be Burnley players. One, perhaps but not two unrecognised from the 1960's ..

2) I think " Chester Perry " is right when he say's it's outside the " Kierby Hotel ". The London sides traditionally used to get the Train up to Manchester the day before games, stay in Manchester, and then get a Coach over the hills to Burnley on the day of the game.

3) Europeans were then usually a couple of years behind on clothing, haircuts etc which makes the player on the right's hair too modern to be 1961. His mate's still sporting a " DA " style cut. If I'm right, Grabowski with the trendy cut would have been 22, whereas Schamer was 27. Pictures I've seen of Schamer show him with an " Andy Payton/Will Carling " type cleft chin, which the player featured left clearly has ...

Of course, this could all be way off track, and they may be members of " Herman's Hermits " !!

He does look very like Grabowski he really does with the hair and nose. Really eager to identify the players as I’ve never seen this photo of my Dad before

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:36 pm**

Clarets4me wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:26 pm
This is my guess ..... Lothar Schamer and Jurgen Grabowski of Eintracht Frankfurt, so that would make it April 1967 ...

Edit: Some reasoning ,

1) If " CT " hasn't a clue, then they're highly unlikely to be Burnley players. One, perhaps but not two unrecognised from the 1960's ..

2) I think " Chester Perry " is right when he say's it's outside the " Kierby Hotel ". The London sides traditionally used to get the Train up to Manchester the day before games, stay in Manchester, and then get a Coach over the hills to Burnley on the day of the game.

3) Europeans were then usually a couple of years behind on clothing, haircuts etc which makes the player on the right's hair too modern to be 1961. His mate's still sporting a " DA " style cut. If I'm right, Grabowski with the trendy cut would have been 22, whereas Schamer was 27. Pictures I've seen of Schamer show him with an " Andy Payton/Will Carling " type cleft chin, which the player featured left clearly has ...

Of course, this could all be way off track, and they may be members of " Herman's Hermits " !!

1 - ha ha

2 - definitely outside the Keirby.

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:36 pm**

The one o the left looks like he could be Brian Jenson's dad.

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:38 pm**

streeterpingfellow wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:32 pm
That’s some real detective work

He does look very like Grabowski he really does with the hair and nose. Really eager to identify the players as I’ve never seen this photo of my Dad before

How old would your dad have been then? Could it be 1967? If it is the Frankfurt players, I wasn’t so far out suggesting Hamburg.

It’s a cracking photo.

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:45 pm**

Stanbill05 wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:12 pm
That’s an impressive autograph book!

its not an autograph book. Its the lads German homework

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:06 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:38 pm
How old would your dad have been then? Could it be 1967? If it is the Frankfurt players, I wasn’t so far out suggesting Hamburg.

It’s a cracking photo.

He would have not long turned 13 but like me always was small and looked young for his age. It makes sense that it would be Frankfurt as I still have a Napoli team photo that my Dad said he was given by someone from Napoli outside the hotel so sounds like he was collecting autographs at that time.

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:19 pm**

streeterpingfellow wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:06 pm
He would have not long turned 13 but like me always was small and looked young for his age. It makes sense that it would be Frankfurt as I still have a Napoli team photo that my Dad said he was given by someone from Napoli outside the hotel so sounds like he was collecting autographs at that time.

I knew he was younger than me. I’d have been 15 at that time.

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:20 pm**

streeterpingfellow wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:06 pm
He would have not long turned 13 but like me always was small and looked young for his age. It makes sense that it would be Frankfurt as I still have a Napoli team photo that my Dad said he was given by someone from Napoli outside the hotel so sounds like he was collecting autographs at that time.

The Napoli home tie was 18th January 1967, and the Eintracht game at Turf Moor was 18th April 1967 ... lovely for you to get a reminder of your Dad in this way, from the dates you've given, he seems to have been taken far too soon ....

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:37 pm**

They don't look English to me but don't know what other nationality they are.

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:47 pm**

Clarets4me wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:20 pm
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He would have not long turned 13 but like me always was small and looked young for his age. It makes sense that it would be Frankfurt as I still have a Napoli team photo that my Dad said he was given by someone from Napoli outside the hotel so sounds like he was collecting autographs at that time.

The Napoli home tie was 18th January 1967, and the Eintracht game at Turf Moor was 18th April 1967 ... lovely for you to get a reminder of your Dad in this way, from the dates you've given, he seems to have been taken far too soon ....
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It was posted on Facebook as Colin Bell training for England at Turf Moor by the Civic trust. Never seen the photograph before so was great to see it. I’m in agreement that it’s Frankfurt and Grabowski and Schamer when you see other photos of them so thanks a lot for that. My Dad passed away from a brain tumour in June 2012 aged 58 and would have been his birthday in 2 days.

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:49 pm**

Royboy would love this photo, he has not been on for a couple of weeks - it wouldn't have surprised me if he could have identified them in similar fashion to Ckarets4me

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:16 pm**

streeterpingfellow wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:47 pm
The Napoli home tie was 18th January 1967, and the Eintracht game at Turf Moor was 18th April 1967 ... lovely for you to get a reminder of your Dad in this way, from the dates you've given, he seems to have been taken far too soon ....

It was posted on Facebook as Colin Bell training for England at Turf Moor by the Civic trust. Never seen the photograph before so was great to see it. I’m in agreement that it’s Frankfurt and Grabowski and Schamer when you see other photos of them so thanks a lot for that. My Dad passed away from a brain tumour in June 2012 aged 58 and would have been his birthday in 2 days.
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I would never have guessed it was so long since he died. I think the last time I saw him was I sat with him at Mike’s talk on Tommy Boyle at the library.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:40 am**

Between " Claret Tony ", " Chester Perry ", " JohnMac " and yours truly, we may just have found the cast members for a remake of " New Tricks ", but instead of just Brian Lane ( Alun Armstrong ) wearing his Wimbledon scarf, we would all sport Clarets scarves of varying vintage ! I, of course, would be the ruggedly handsome one who charms the delightful Tamzin Outhwaite into bed ...

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:12 am**

Well done for working it out between you. Someone gave me the Eintracht Frankfurt away leg programme for this tie. It was on newsprint and very fragile. There was an advert for Dr Zhivago on the back. I’ve lost it somewhere. I can’t imagine there are many about, particularly in England.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:27 am**

going off the size of that autograph book, I was half expecting to see Eamonn Andrews lurking in the background

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:59 am**

streeterpingfellow wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:06 pm
He would have not long turned 13 but like me always was small and looked young for his age. It makes sense that it would be Frankfurt as I still have a Napoli team photo that my Dad said he was given by someone from Napoli outside the hotel so sounds like he was collecting autographs at that time.

1967 works as a date. If it’s April it’s just a few weeks after your dad’s sisters wedding and 13 months before a picture of a new born me on your dads knee. He looks this sort of age on that picture.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:47 am**

martin_p wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:59 am
1967 works as a date. If it’s April it’s just a few weeks after your dad’s sisters wedding and 13 months before a picture of a new born me on your dads knee. He looks this sort of age on that picture.

I'd forgotten you were related to streeterpingfellow Martin, cousins if I'm not mistaken. The aforementioned autograph collector was Mick and used to post on the old board as cblant.

I would never have thought of Eintracht Frankfurt - I'd worked out where the pic was taken, didn't recognise the players and went for Hamburg. Whoever got them, well done.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:15 pm**

Clarets4me wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:26 pm
This is my guess ..... Lothar Schamer and Jurgen Grabowski of Eintracht Frankfurt, so that would make it April 1967 ...

Edit: Some reasoning ,

1) If " CT " hasn't a clue, then they're highly unlikely to be Burnley players. One, perhaps but not two unrecognised from the 1960's ..

2) I think " Chester Perry " is right when he say's it's outside the " Kierby Hotel ". The London sides traditionally used to get the Train up to Manchester the day before games, stay in Manchester, and then get a Coach over the hills to Burnley on the day of the game.

3) Europeans were then usually a couple of years behind on clothing, haircuts etc which makes the player on the right's hair too modern to be 1961. His mate's still sporting a " DA " style cut. If I'm right, Grabowski with the trendy cut would have been 22, whereas Schamer was 27. Pictures I've seen of Schamer show him with an " Andy Payton/Will Carling " type cleft chin, which the player featured left clearly has ...

Of course, this could all be way off track, and they may be members of " Herman's Hermits " !!

Schamer and Grabowski it is then. The finest piece of detective work I’ve ever witnessed. Clarets4me to thank.
The other suggestions of Francis Lee, Colin Bell, Colin Todd and, most of all, a young Ray Pointer, were just so absurd, it’s not true.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:14 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:47 am
I'd forgotten you were related to streeterpingfellow Martin, cousins if I'm not mistaken. The aforementioned autograph collector was Mick and used to post on the old board as cblant.

That’s right. Mick was my mum’s youngest brother.

Posted: **Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:03 pm**

streeterpingfellow wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:06 pm
He would have not long turned 13 but like me always was small and looked young for his age. It makes sense that it would be Frankfurt as I still have a Napoli team photo that my Dad said he was given by someone from Napoli outside the hotel so sounds like he was collecting autographs at that time.

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Many many thanks to Edward Walton, of Burnley Civic Trust for the above photograph, which proves beyond any doubt that your Dad and his friends were pictured with two members of the Eintracht Frankfurt team, in April 1967 ....

Posted: **Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:04 pm**

Further to the above, I messaged the Eintracht Frankfurt official Facebook page more out of hope than anything, and they very kindly replied this morning, ( in English ) putting some names to those pictured .....

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Elek Schwartz ( Coach ), Unknown, Unknown, Unknown, Rudolph Gramlich ( President, with flowers ), Unknown, Peter Blusch, Ludwig Kolb ( Trainer ), Unknown, Karl-Heinz Wirth, Manfred Mathes, Sieghart Feghelm, Walter Bechtold, Dieter Lindner, Herr Schiederig ( Physio ), Jurgen Grabowski, Ernst Abbe, Oscar Lotz, Fahrudin Jusufi, Wilhelm Huberts, Lothar Schamer ....

Grabowski is the most well known. He was in the West German squad in 1966 ( Didn't play ), played in 1970 ( came on as a 55th minute sub. in the 3-2 Quarter final win over England ), and was in the team that beat Holland 2-1 in the 1974 World Cup Final ...

Posted: **Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:33 pm**

Clarets4me wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:04 pm
Further to the above, I messaged the Eintracht Frankfurt official Facebook page more out of hope than anything, and they very kindly replied this morning, ( in English ) putting some names to those pictured .....

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Elek Schwartz ( Coach ), Unknown, Unknown, Unknown, Rudolph Gramlich ( President, with flowers ), Unknown, Peter Blusch, Ludwig Kolb ( Trainer ), Unknown, Karl-Heinz Wirth, Manfred Mathes, Sieghart Feghelm, Walter Bechtold, Dieter Lindner, Herr Schiederig ( Physio ), Jurgen Grabowski, Ernst Abbe, Oscar Lotz, Fahrudin Jusufi, Wilhelm Huberts, Lothar Schamer ....

Grabowski is the most well known. He was in the West German squad in 1966 ( Didn't play ), played in 1970 ( came on as a 55th minute sub. in the 3-2 Quarter final win over England ), and was in the team that beat Holland 2-1 in the 1974 World Cup Final ...

That's brilliant and I can add a name to that. The tenth from the left with the bald head is Burnley secretary Albert Maddox.

Posted: **Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:47 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:33 pm
That's brilliant and I can add a name to that. The tenth from the left with the bald head is Burnley secretary Albert Maddox.

Thanks, " CT " ... I don't know if there's a way you can get a message to MartinP and Streeterpingfellow, as I don't know if they've seen it. I know " Streeter " was very keen to identify the players, because his late father was on the picture. Eintracht also sent me a current photo of the pennant they received from Burnley FC, which is hung in their Museum ...

Posted: **Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:08 pm**

Clarets4me wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:47 pm
Thanks, " CT " ... I don't know if there's a way you can get a message to MartinP and Streeterpingfellow, as I don't know if they've seen it. I know " Streeter " was very keen to identify the players, because his late father was on the picture. Eintracht also sent me a current photo of the pennant they received from Burnley FC, which is hung in their Museum ...

I’ll text streeter

Posted: **Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:49 pm**

Clarets4me wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:47 pm
Thanks, " CT " ... I don't know if there's a way you can get a message to MartinP and Streeterpingfellow, as I don't know if they've seen it. I know " Streeter " was very keen to identify the players, because his late father was on the picture. Eintracht also sent me a current photo of the pennant they received from Burnley FC, which is hung in their Museum ...

Sent the text to streeter - just seen the reference to the pennant, that's a fantastic response from them.

Posted: **Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:32 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:49 pm
just seen the reference to the pennant, that's a fantastic response from them.

i thought the same

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