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Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:57 pm

Ashley Barnes has been a great servant for this club and deserves to be treated with grace. His legs have gone, his head has gone. He’s reached his end of his time at BFC.

Stephens: ship him off

Norris looks a very good technically gifted footballer. His distribution is good, and his positioning is good.

Vydra: this lad should’ve played from the start.

Benson: I’m not convinced he’s technically gifted enough

JBG: he needs time with the psychologist, the injury’s are in his head and then in his game.

Brady: I do like him

Tarks: glad he’s not developed a bad toe in this transfer window

Dyche: has been let down by the players

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Boss Hogg » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:00 pm

Fair points.

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:00 pm

Games still going on, give it a rest ffs
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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Untinted Glasses » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:00 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:57 pm
Ashley Barnes has been a great servant for this club and deserves to be treated with grace. His legs have gone, his head has gone. He’s reached his end of his time at BFC.

Stephens: ship him off

Norris looks a very good technically gifted footballer. His distribution is good, and his positioning is good.

Vydra: this lad should’ve played from the start.

Benson: I’m not convinced he’s technically gifted enough

JBG: he needs time with the psychologist, the injury’s are in his head and then in his game.

Brady: I do like him

Tarks: glad he’s not developed a bad toe in this transfer window

Dyche: has been let down by the players
Agree with it all part from Brady, I think he's poor.Not good enough. Also Dyche kind of let himself down by being stubborn as f not starting Vydra
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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:01 pm

Who was it who decided to start the likes of Barnes and Stephens today?

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:01 pm

Vydra has scored his goals for Burnley against lower league teams and has not scored a Premier league goal yet
Think SD knows more about players than we posters on here

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Wokingclaret » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:01 pm

And you want sign Jones

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Wellsy1882 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:04 pm

Barnes out
Stephens out
Not good enough

Brady - Has quality but holds onto ball too long. Same we tarky

Benson - not good enough
Cork - good game but past it
JBG - needs a long run
Wood - easily replaceable
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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Sunny Cornwall » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:04 pm

Chris Wood - shockingly bad!

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by BigChaCha » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:06 pm

If I had a pound for every time I've seen on here, a player who has been written off, after a long injury layoff or lack of game time, to then be proven completely wrong, I would be a lot wealthier than I am now. Posters never learn and to stop embarrassing themselves!
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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Claretnick » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:08 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:01 pm
Vydra has scored his goals for Burnley against lower league teams and has not scored a Premier league goal yet
Think SD knows more about players than we posters on here
Sorry but this is incorrect, he scored against Southampton and Bournemouth in the PL last season.
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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Wellsy1882 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:08 pm

Bardsley - another past it

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Juan Tanamera » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:11 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:01 pm
Vydra has scored his goals for Burnley against lower league teams and has not scored a Premier league goal yet
Think SD knows more about players than we posters on here
I'm fairly sure Vydra scored a goal of the season contender at Southampton last year.
In the Premier League.
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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:11 pm

Add Chris Wood to the naughty list today, and probably for most of this season.

As a goal scorer he's good, no doubt about that when he's in form, but as a footballer he's completely turgid.

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:14 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:11 pm
Add Chris Wood to the naughty list today, and probably for most of this season.

As a goal scorer he's good, no doubt about that when he's in form, but as a footballer he's completely turgid.
I think Wood did well today.

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:17 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:01 pm
And you want sign Jones
Jones is a class above anyone in the pitch today and a class above most premier league CB’s. If he had stayed fit he would’ve been one of united’s best ever CB’s. We’ve had this discussion, at length in numerous threads. He’s a quality footballer. The lack of football knowledge on this board is embarrassing at times.

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:18 pm

Wellsy1882 wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:08 pm
Bardsley - another past it
Yep, I wouldn’t disagree. But his experience, and his conduct as a pro is something we should be looking to retain in the clubs coaching setup.

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:18 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:14 pm
I think Wood did well today.
Not for me. Totally lacking in finesse.

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:19 pm

Chris Wood is a proper lump of a footballer when he isn’t playing well.

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Wellsy1882 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:23 pm

Hes good at finishing. Shite at out else

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Wokingclaret » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:24 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:17 pm
Jones is a class above anyone in the pitch today and a class above most premier league CB’s. If he had stayed fit he would’ve been one of united’s best ever CB’s. We’ve had this discussion, at length in numerous threads. He’s a quality footballer. The lack of football knowledge on this board is embarrassing at times.
He's Knackered

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by jedi_master » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:25 pm

What today has illustrated is just what this season overall has.

Our front line, including wide, needs extensive investment. I would suggest we need at least one centre forward, and without question a right winger.
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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:27 pm

Boysie wrote off Barnes the other week, not long afterwards he went and scored :lol:

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by DomBFC1882 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:33 pm

The only thing today shows is we have ZERO depth in the squad. Anything less than 3 decent signings this month would be negligent considering how many terrible windows we've had before this one.
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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:34 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:14 pm
I think Wood did well today.
Shocking performance from Wood for the 3-4 game in a row.

I find myself writing nearly every week “one of the worst premier league striker performances I have seen”

If anyone can highlight anything at all that wood did well today I would be impressed.

Also Benson has been the best CM for Burnley today.

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by DomBFC1882 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:45 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:34 pm
Shocking performance from Wood for the 3-4 game in a row.

I find myself writing nearly every week “one of the worst premier league striker performances I have seen”

If anyone can highlight anything at all that wood did well today I would be impressed.

Also Benson has been the best CM for Burnley today.
He's up there with Newcastle fans opinion of Joelinton at the minute. Both p**s poor

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Post by Wile E Coyote » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:48 pm

hope Barnes stays for decades.
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Post by expoultryboy » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:53 pm

Somebody states that there's a lack of football knowledge on this board - the same person thinks Wood played well today !!!!!
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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by tim_noone » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:59 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:01 pm
Vydra has scored his goals for Burnley against lower league teams and has not scored a Premier league goal yet
Think SD knows more about players than we posters on here
Certainly more than you Dave that's for sure.....

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by SkiptonClaret » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:59 pm

Benson looks a very good player in the making. Incredible that people have had a go at him, particularly as he’s been played out of position on a couple of occasions. Glennon looks a good footballer as well.
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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:01 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:59 pm
Benson looks a very good player in the making. Incredible that people have had a go at him, particularly as he’s been played out of position on a couple of occasions. Glennon looks a good footballer as well.
But that is, and what will always be - football fans for you.

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by dermotdermot » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:01 pm

You'd have thought we'd just been beaten by a side from a lower division with all the stupid posts on here. I, for one, thought that Stephens had a good game.

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by BarnleyBurnsley » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:02 pm

I’m sorry DJW but if you thought Wood played well today you were not watching the same game as me!

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:04 pm

Benson was impressive in the middle today, he got all over the pitch and sprayed the ball about
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Post by box_of_frogs » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:07 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:14 pm
I think Wood did well today.
Aaaaaahhhhhhahahahahaha! Classic!

Oh, you’re being serious! :?
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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Pearcey » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:07 pm

Bizarre thread this. Not sure if people are just fishing.

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Post by Slurpy » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:11 pm

I think people are forgetting that Cork, Stephens, Gudmundsson, Bardsley , Norris and even Pieters haven't played much football recently and Barnes had Wood have been out of form which was on show today. How Benson can be criticised when he actualy brought some energy in the middle is beyond me.

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Post by Grumps » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:11 pm

Pearcey wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:07 pm
Bizarre thread this. Not sure if people are just fishing.
Showing their age, or lack of it.

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Post by expoultryboy » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:22 pm

I think dermots definitely chucking a maggot in !

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Post by burnmark » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:33 pm

dermotdermot wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:01 pm
You'd have thought we'd just been beaten by a side from a lower division with all the stupid posts on here. I, for one, thought that Stephens had a good game.
I’ll join you in the Stephens opinion.

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Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:52 pm

expoultryboy wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:53 pm
Somebody states that there's a lack of football knowledge on this board - the same person thinks Wood played well today !!!!!
Wood played up front alone, he ran channels well, he had no or little support. The distance between him and Barnes was shocking at times. Barnes one touch flicks, lazy passing and a lack of a midfield runner didn’t help.

His work off the ball was good.

Dyche pulled Wood to rest him.

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:54 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:59 pm
Benson looks a very good player in the making. Incredible that people have had a go at him, particularly as he’s been played out of position on a couple of occasions. Glennon looks a good footballer as well.
He’s just not technically gifted enough to play in the middle of the park. I’d shift him to RB and give him a season under Bardsleys tutelage
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Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:56 pm

dermotdermot wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:01 pm
You'd have thought we'd just been beaten by a side from a lower division with all the stupid posts on here. I, for one, thought that Stephens had a good game.
He was lazy (I take the point he’s not played much), passing was wayward. His body shapes were horrendous resulting in him getting nutmegged twice in the middle of the pitch and letting runners through.

He played too deep for me, which might have been on Dyches orders to cover the CB’s carrying through.

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Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:57 pm

Slurpy wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:11 pm
I think people are forgetting that Cork, Stephens, Gudmundsson, Bardsley , Norris and even Pieters haven't played much football recently and Barnes had Wood have been out of form which was on show today. How Benson can be criticised when he actualy brought some energy in the middle is beyond me.
Energy isn’t enough. You need technical ability.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:58 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:54 pm
He’s just not technically gifted enough to play in the middle of the park. I’d shift him to RB and give him a season under Bardsleys tutelage
genuine question - how have you come to the conclusion that Benson isn't good enough for CM but is for RB ?

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:08 pm

I the middle you need to be a technician or an engine. Ideally both.

In the middle you’re playing a 360 game, wanting to go on the half turn, constant scanning, and that first touch has to move the ball either into another plays path or be good enough to avoid getting an oppo play involved.

Benson, who granted is getting upto speed with adult football, doesn’t do this well. His range of passing is good, when he’s got the whole open pitch to play with. He, for me, doesn’t scan enough when he’s not got the ball, the decision making starts when the ball is coming into his feet. Lowtonn is a prime example of this today. Bardsley like Alexander could play in midfield. This is true for a lot of our players. It’s why we play sideways and backwards a lot. There’s always a ball out of contact in those directions.

His physique is good, his energy and work rate are good. When you take those and you place them into a limited system, as we play, you begin to build a solid RB who is able to play to his strengths.

Our system suits our players, for example, Tarks may or may not be able to adapt to a back four/three who play 15 yards higher up a pitch. Ben Mee wouldn’t.
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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by DCWat » Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:11 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:17 pm
Jones is a class above anyone in the pitch today and a class above most premier league CB’s. If he had stayed fit he would’ve been one of united’s best ever CB’s. We’ve had this discussion, at length in numerous threads. He’s a quality footballer. The lack of football knowledge on this board is embarrassing at times.
It was an eyebrow raiser when Ferguson made such a comment. He’s never displayed the levels to be even considered alongside the likes of Ferdinand, Vidic, Pallister, Bruce, McGrath and Edwards to name but a few.

OK so he’s had some injury problems but he hasn’t ever displayed the sort of quality to become a top defender.

All that said, in a Dyche side, with the way we set up and don’t necessarily expect our defenders to be fantastic ball players, I do think he’d be a very good signing for us, if he could stay fit.
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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by dougcollins » Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:15 pm

Playing at RB is a completely different discipline.

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Slurpy » Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:15 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:57 pm
Energy isn’t enough. You need technical ability.
Mate we start Ashley Barnes up front

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Re: Barnes and Stephens et al

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:16 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:11 pm
It was an eyebrow raiser when Ferguson made such a comment. He’s never displayed the levels to be even considered alongside the likes of Ferdinand, Vidic, Pallister, Bruce, McGrath and Edwards to name but a few.

OK so he’s had some injury problems but he hasn’t ever displayed the sort of quality to become a top defender.

All that said, in a Dyche side, with the way we set up and don’t necessarily expect our defenders to be fantastic ball players, I do think he’d be a very good signing for us, if he could stay fit.
I have heard that he is fit, but he and the medical staff are doing a root and all job on him. Totally stripping back his whole physique and ensuing he doesn’t have niggles.

Look at Wilkinson and Carter in RU and Brady and JBG in our club to see the domino affect injuries can have physically and mentally.

JBG is mentally shot.

He could never be United’s best ever player. Only a player that came through the academy could be that. But, Ferguson wasn’t wrong in saying he’s a generational talent, Southgate also backed his later on. Rio has been on record and said something similar.

Should never have played in midfield.

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