Burnley v Manchester United - Match Thread

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:12 pm

Shaw should have gone so still not done the job properly

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:12 pm

Boy a good game so far , now we have backed off a little but HT came at a good time i must say

ClaretMov · Post by **ClaretMov** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:13 pm

burnleymik wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:56 pm
Was that Ben Mee or Bruce Lee? hahaha That's commitment.

Off my tv lol

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:13 pm

Decent 1st half we've limited them to very little, and at times have posed a threat, set-pieces look our best bet as we suspected pre match.

And for once we have options on the bench, which we can't often say.

Whatever happens 2nd half we've made it tough for them, and that's all we can ask of the team.

One minor negative is we haven't yet managed an effort on target, tough to win the raffle if you don't buy a ticket, but TBF I'd be reasonably satisfied with a draw from this game, I class this as a free hit, and anything we gain will be a bonus for me.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:13 pm

claretburns wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:12 pm
Shaw should have gone so still not done the job properly

If he hadn't been booked, chances are Brady would've been booked or sent

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:14 pm

Shaw was a yellow no more.

Goal ruled out was wrong in my opinion.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:14 pm

Both Sky studio pundits saying Shaw should have gone.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:14 pm

A real cowards performance from Friend.

How he didn’t show Brady a red originally is baffling.
How he’s gone back, seen the Shaw challenge and not shown a red is worse.
He’s then ruled out Maguires goal because he knows he’s messed up.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:15 pm

Lots to discuss - and I’m more relieved than disappointed in the outcome. I think Shaw got a touch on the ball and his follow through caught JBG which is why he got away with it.

But can the referee, in reviewing a possible red card for one of our players then go back and award a free kick to us for another incident? I know that technically Shaw’s challenge was reviewed for a possible red card but that was only because it led to an incident where Brady could have been sent off.

I thought the only possible outcomes were a red card to Shaw and FK to us, or a FK to Man U as originally given, with or without a red to Brady.

Antmass · Post by **Antmass** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:15 pm

Good game of football so far...don't like to admit it but, that was a great header from Maguire.

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:16 pm

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:50 pm
VAR gets it right in my opinion

I’ve changed my mind after watching the analysis at half time, Shaw should’ve seen red for that

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:16 pm

Shaw didn't touch the ball it was JBG left foot

Why would Brady be sent off for an incident that is irrelevant once a foul has been committed before and play should have stopped?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:16 pm

SussexDon1inIreland wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:09 pm
When VAR is used it has to be either a red card or nothing it can’t be yellow according to the rules so Utd should have been down to 10 men

According to Clarets Player

But they only looked at that because they had to go back because of the Brady foul so they weren’t actually doing a red card check with Shaw. Once they decided it was a foul then it was decided it was a yellow and the red card check by VAR for Brady was withdrawn.

Having said that, I thought Shaw was fortunate to get just a yellow.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:17 pm

I think you're half right. Shaw's incident was reviewed for a red card and they realised it WAS a foul, hence Brady's incident is irrelevant

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:17 pm

Game plan working so far but worry about keeping them at bay later as they get more adventurous.
Take a draw now.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:17 pm

We sure are playing more than ok, but set pieces will always be our best threat and therefore the delivery has definitely got to improve second half. Both Brady and Westwood have been guilty and we have to make those opportunities count.

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:17 pm

ClaretMov wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:13 pm
Off my tv lol

That's what you get with Ben Mee, total commitment. I don't understand those on here who love to criticise him.

gsyclaret · Post by **gsyclaret** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:17 pm

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:16 pm
I’ve changed my mind after watching the analysis at half time, Shaw should’ve seen red for that

I thought that straight away

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:18 pm

Westwood needs to take the free kicks when we put our cbs up. Robbie puts them too high and slow. Or get Dwight on for the last 20 minutes.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:18 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:14 pm
Shaw was a yellow no more.

Goal ruled out was wrong in my opinion.

Maguire pushed Pieters before heading the ball. Foul. No goal. Good result

huw.Y.WattfromWare · Post by **huw.Y.WattfromWare** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:19 pm

Most saying the Maguire goal should have stood. I disagree. Pieters is just starting his leap when the Maguire left hand stops him getting up to the header. We had a similar goal given against us years back when Llorente at Swansea thundered into the back of Ben Mee then got a lift off of him to head a late equaliser.
To me if you are stopping the defender jumping that is a foul.

gsyclaret · Post by **gsyclaret** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:19 pm

I reckon they will get fed up if they don't score and go into their shells, or tire, I don't think they will be as fit as us.

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:20 pm

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:17 pm
That's what you get with Ben Mee, total commitment. I don't understand those on here who love to criticise him.

Loved that ball off the face!

Thinking of changing my named to Mees_Head. I think I could kick him in the head as hard as I could and he'd laugh it off.

Not to mention chucking himself into the goal like a rocket to try stop McGuire's shot.

Hardest and most committed man in the PL!

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:20 pm

My view. Shaws was a red card and their goal was good.

Peter Loo · Post by **Peter Loo** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:21 pm

Maguire clearly used his arm to push Pieters.

Stacky_claret · Post by **Stacky_claret** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:21 pm

superdimitri wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:51 pm
I think the challenge after by Brady influenced refs decision on Shaw's challenge. Shaw did win the ball.

So did pope v Leeds ?

huw.Y.WattfromWare · Post by **huw.Y.WattfromWare** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:23 pm

They keep beating us ont’Turf with breakaway goals. Hold fast this half boys. We can do this.UTC

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:23 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:15 pm
Lots to discuss - and I’m more relieved than disappointed in the outcome. I think Shaw got a touch on the ball and his follow through caught JBG which is why he got away with it.

But can the referee, in reviewing a possible red card for one of our players then go back and award a free kick to us for another incident? I know that technically Shaw’s challenge was reviewed for a possible red card but that was only because it led to an incident where Brady could have been sent off.

I thought the only possible outcomes were a red card to Shaw and FK to us, or a FK to Man U as originally given, with or without a red to Brady.

My understanding is they go and check the red card by Shaw. The decision was that it did not have sufficient force in the challenge to be a red, clearly therefore a missed caution that created the opportunity for United. Brady challenge was deemed irrelevant.
Very grey in the laws of the game tbh too
They can be interpreted to permit a yellow

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:23 pm

Come on super Burnley

Antmass · Post by **Antmass** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:23 pm

Maguire got a march on Pieters. He wouldn't have got to it anyway the hand was hardly anything on the back and was convenient to feign a foul. Lucky us.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:25 pm

Utd just trying to move it about a bit more.

Dressinggown · Post by **Dressinggown** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:25 pm

Another off Mee's noggin.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:26 pm

If you were to make a sub, what would it be? I wonder if Jay and McNeil coming on could help.

gsyclaret · Post by **gsyclaret** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:30 pm

FactualFrank wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:26 pm
If you were to make a sub, what would it be? I wonder if Jay and McNeil coming on could help.

Think J rod for wood maybe ?

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:30 pm

they have moved Pogba up.

FFS get Brownhill or someone to sit on him or he will boss it

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:31 pm

Wood needs to get a bit sharper. Just not in the same mind set when we play quick football.

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:33 pm

Come on Burnley

Dressinggown · Post by **Dressinggown** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:33 pm

If the score remains there won't be any substitutes for a while yet.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:33 pm

Stacky_claret wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:21 pm
So did pope v Leeds ?

Just shows how stupid that decision was, but Pope didn't see a red.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:33 pm

FactualFrank wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:26 pm
If you were to make a sub, what would it be? I wonder if Jay and McNeil coming on could help.

Vyds on in the 89th minute?

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:34 pm

Starting 11 cost Burnley £41m
Utd £453 m

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:34 pm

Midfielders disappeared

icu81b4 · Post by **icu81b4** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:34 pm

£41mill vs £463mill

Seems like a fair game

gsyclaret · Post by **gsyclaret** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:34 pm

Just showed the stats on the players, burnley 46m utd 463 m

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:34 pm

HunterST_BFC wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:30 pm
they have moved Pogba up.

FFS get Brownhill or someone to sit on him or he will boss it

That's the problem you get with 2 up front, can't spare a midfielder to do that job.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:34 pm

Shocking miss from Cavani, it's not just our strikers who miss sitters I see.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:35 pm

I know they’ve stepped up a gear or 2 this half, but we’ve been pretty poor.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:36 pm

The linesman missed a clear offside there. Just wasn't in position to see it.

nyclaret · Post by **nyclaret** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:36 pm

Very poor this half.

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:36 pm

There quality coming to the fore pushing us deaper we need someone to get hold of the ball