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Vydra

Post by claretcarrot93 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:33 pm

Pace and movement, stretches the back line. For the love of God give the lad more gametime
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Re: Vydra

Post by TheOriginalLongsider » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:39 pm

Agreed. The time has come.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Milltown1882 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:40 pm

Gets two good chances in the box and puts them into the top tier of the Jimmy Mac
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Re: Vydra

Post by Safron » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:40 pm

Won't be long before CT and co shoot you down ,beware posting about vydra
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Re: Vydra

Post by tim_noone » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:40 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:40 pm
Gets two good chances in the box and puts them into the top tier of the Jimmy Mac
At least he got in the box...
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Re: Vydra

Post by Tall Paul » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:42 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:40 pm
Gets two good chances in the box and puts them into the top tier of the Jimmy Mac
They weren't really good chances. 0.3 xG between them.

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Re: Vydra

Post by BurnleyFC » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:43 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:40 pm
Gets two good chances in the box and puts them into the top tier of the Jimmy Mac
I do understand this argument, because chances are something of a premium for us and we don’t get many of them in a game, but how can Vydra possibly ever be ‘match sharp’ getting only 5 minutes here and there, normally when we’re chasing a game? Very, very few strikers have ever been able to do that.

Wood is also so far out of form and doesn’t look like playing himself back into form anytime soon.
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Re: Vydra

Post by up_the_clarets_1989 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:43 pm

Clearly we were miles better in the second half when he came on. I know we were losing so pushing forward a bit more, but he had so much more positive attacking involvement than Wood and Barnes and it was refreshing seeing a striker control a ball, make a positive pass and then move into a good attacking position.
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Re: Vydra

Post by ten bellies » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:44 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:40 pm
Gets two good chances in the box and puts them into the top tier of the Jimmy Mac
Strikers need game time and Wood has had plenty. Time for a change. Utilise the squad, it's what it's there for. J Rod and Vydra for me. We play better football when they are on too. Wood is like teflon in comparison.
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Re: Vydra

Post by Milltown1882 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:44 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:43 pm
I do understand this argument, because chances are something of a premium for us and we don’t get many of them in a game, but how can Vydra possibly ever be ‘match sharp’ getting only 5 minutes here and there, normally when we’re chasing a game?

Wood is also so far out of form and doesn’t look like playing himself back into form anytime soon.
Agreed, only argument is Wood has a very good record against West Ham. If he doesn’t score on Saturday I’d say that’s the time for a change.

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Re: Vydra

Post by NewClaret » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:44 pm

Wood very poor tonight. Have been a huge advocate until now. Time for a change.

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Re: Vydra

Post by lesxdp » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:45 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:40 pm
Gets two good chances in the box and puts them into the top tier of the Jimmy Mac
And Wood and Barnes have had how many chances and also failed

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Re: Vydra

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:46 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:40 pm
Gets two good chances in the box and puts them into the top tier of the Jimmy Mac
He also got the ball and played it back into other players feet and creating good passages of play, where others start to pass to each other. It's great.
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Re: Vydra

Post by RVclaret » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:49 pm

He needs to start or at least come on earlier. Why wait until 80 minutes every single match to play him? It was crying out for a change up top around 60 minutes but low and behold we don't make the change and concede.
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Re: Vydra

Post by Bosscat » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:50 pm

Safron wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:40 pm
Won't be long before CT and co shoot you down ,beware posting about vydra
Is Vydra related to Madge then 🤔

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Re: Vydra

Post by warksclaret » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:54 pm

I don't mind Wood starting, and he probably will v WHU, but when he is playing as bad as today he needs to come off earlier. MacGuire had him in his pocket-should have come off 10 mins into second half

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Re: Vydra

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:54 pm

Have to agree that we need to change up top. Barnes worked his socks off but needed a partner to help him. Vydra came on and found space in the box a couple of times , no the ball didn’t go in the net but we didn’t get any opportunities like that before he came on. The fact of the matter is we stretch teams more when he’s on the pitch.

For me though Wood and Barnes should start against West Ham given the way they’ve played against them in the past. Just using changes a little earlier I.e. Wood off for Vydra

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Re: Vydra

Post by matttheclaret » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:56 pm

Tough one. I don't think Vydra is quite good enough in all honesty, he's never been a regular anywhere at this level and I don't think that's a coincidence.

In all fairness though, you could make a very strong case that right now he should be starting ahead of Barnes and (atm particularly) Wood. I doubt SD will want to take Wood out because he probably is the best striker at the club (when on form). He isn't in form though, and hasn't been for a long while now so I think it's time he got taken out of the side for a bit.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Longsidebogs » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:57 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:49 pm
He needs to start or at least come on earlier. Why wait until 80 minutes every single match to play him? It was crying out for a change up top around 60 minutes but low and behold we don't make the change and concede.
This^^^^^. Dyche needs to know when the hour Mark arrives, fresh legs are needed. United ran us ragged in the second half. Barnes and Wood did nothing. Again. We were 0-0 but holding on. For the love of god, Sean. Vydra did more again in (about) 8 minutes than Barnes / Wood. Be careful.....the new owners won’t sit back and watch this lack of basic management. That said, I think we played well and were unlucky not to get a draw. Frustrated.com.
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Re: Vydra

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:59 pm

I like Vydra purely because his pace stretches teams. It allows other players to get into little pockets of space. At times when Barnes and Wood play together our only tactic is hoof the ball and hope the second ball lands kindly.

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Re: Vydra

Post by EarbyClaret » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:11 pm

One of the reasons Vydra finds space when he comes on is that the central defenders are tiring from the physical battle with Wood and Barnes and then have something different to deal with

I don't think Vydra looks the same threat when starting - defenders at this level can contain him if he doesn't have the physical edge coming on later in a game allows him

That being said introducing both Vydra and Jay earlier would be the best way to counter our predictability - given our limited options
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Re: Vydra

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:15 pm

up_the_clarets_1989 wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:43 pm
Clearly we were miles better in the second half when he came on.
Pretty sure it was McNeil who had a lot to do with us being miles better.
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Re: Vydra

Post by Dark Cloud » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:17 pm

It's a tough one imo, because Vydra definitely gives us something different and when he's on we play differently and chances seem to happen, (look at tonight last 15 minutes) BUT he misses more than his fair share and that to me is what SD has an issue with. TBF I think SD is wrong about him, because Wood doesn't even give opposition defenses those headaches at present.

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Re: Vydra

Post by up_the_clarets_1989 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:19 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:15 pm
Pretty sure it was McNeil who had a lot to do with us being miles better.
He also quite clearly improved us. I wasn't aware that it had to be one or the other though? They both contributed to us being much better.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:21 pm

up_the_clarets_1989 wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:19 pm
He also quite clearly improved us. I wasn't aware that it had to be one or the other though? They both contributed to us being much better.
You started it :lol:
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Re: Vydra

Post by MT03ALG » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:54 pm

Vydra missed a few chances in the last 10 minutes. How many would he miss in 90 minutes but also how many would he score ??!!

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Re: Vydra

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:32 am

well, whilst I don't think he is the answer in any long term I also think Wood needs a week or two on the bench - nowhere near his levels

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Re: Vydra

Post by WalkdenClaret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:33 am

I'm not 100% but I'd like to see him get a full 90 mins, give him time to grow into the game, get the misses out of the way and pop a couple in against the 'ammers. Nothing to lose.

Start Vyds and JayRod with Mumbongo replacing the one without a hattrick.
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Re: Vydra

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:45 am

btw, Wood has a super record v West Ham so no way he wont play at the weekend !

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Re: Vydra

Post by levraiclaret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:52 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:59 pm
I like Vydra purely because his pace stretches teams. It allows other players to get into little pockets of space. At times when Barnes and Wood play together our only tactic is hoof the ball and hope the second ball lands kindly.
He doesn't do enough in the first half, never has.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Right_winger » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:11 am

Vydra is better than Wood.

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Re: Vydra

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:06 am

levraiclaret wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:52 am
He doesn't do enough in the first half, never has.
I’ve been watching Wood for 4 months he hasn’t done anything in ANY half!

We’re getting down to SD playing his favorites now and that’s p1ss poor management.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Woodleyclaret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:11 am

On from the start v WHU playing him as a false 9 behind Ash and Chris

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Re: Vydra

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:29 am

my mate sent me a vid of some United fans chatting after the game and they all agreed that they were please Vydra came on so late, couldn't believe how many problems his movement was causing in the last 5 mins

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Re: Vydra

Post by Pearcey » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:56 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:45 am
btw, Wood has a super record v West Ham so no way he wont play at the weekend !
Jay has a good record against Man U but he only got a few minutes.
Wood and Barnes are class but they’re out of form. I’d like to see Jay and Vyds start against West Ham.

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Re: Vydra

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:39 am

Right_winger wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:11 am
Vydra is better than Wood.
Absolute nonsense.

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Re: Vydra

Post by TopCat » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:41 am

Wood is our best striker.
He is currently going through a bad patch and needs a goal, hopefully Saturday.
Jay should partner him.
Vydra and Barnes to come on much earlier than our subs usually do.
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Re: Vydra

Post by bobinho » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:44 am

“Wood does well against West Ham”

Mmmm... Wood has on occasion done well against a certain set of defenders set up a certain way. If it’s not those defenders and they ain’t set up like that, it’s just another group of defenders he’s going to struggle against. The name of the team is irrelevant.

At the moment, CW wouldn’t hit a barn door if you locked him inside it with a big bag of training balls at his disposal. He’s not going to play himself back into form because for that he needs goals, and we don’t create enough chances from open play when he’s on the pitch for him to do that. So WE have a dilemna.... SD doesn’t, he just plays CW in the hope he gets a bit of luck, but for those of us who are becoming frustrated with what we are watching, it’s making some think about whether he even has a plan B. Our game has been well sussed... we need to maximise our threat by changing it in enough time to not just affect the game but affect the result. To persevere with what we are seeing from our current front two is bizarre.
Even the most ardent CW fan (and I am a fan) can see he’s way, way off being a threat in the game. Even the most stubborn person can see the difference in our forward play in the ten minutes it gets, surely?

I can’t make the argument that Vydra should start, neither can anyone else, but those of us arguing he’s not good enough based on his limited chances need to use the same algorithm when working out whether Wood is worthy of more time. What we can do is see that he brings something different that the opposition aren’t expecting from us and hope that the manager sees it too and decides to use it more.
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Re: Vydra

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:06 am

Longsidebogs wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:57 pm
l.....the new owners won’t sit back and watch this lack of basic management.

:D :D

Sean we are letting you go, we need someone who can bring on Vydra 20 minutes earlier

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Re: Vydra

Post by Right_winger » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:07 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:39 am
Absolute nonsense.
Your entitled to your opinions, but more happens with Vydra than Wood. Technically he is much better than Wood. Technical
Players are always better than physical players.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Right_winger » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:14 am

bobinho wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:44 am
“Wood does well against West Ham”

Mmmm... Wood has on occasion done well against a certain set of defenders set up a certain way. If it’s not those defenders and they ain’t set up like that, it’s just another group of defenders he’s going to struggle against. The name of the team is irrelevant.

At the moment, CW wouldn’t hit a barn door if you locked him inside it with a big bag of training balls at his disposal. He’s not going to play himself back into form because for that he needs goals, and we don’t create enough chances from open play when he’s on the pitch for him to do that. So WE have a dilemna.... SD doesn’t, he just plays CW in the hope he gets a bit of luck, but for those of us who are becoming frustrated with what we are watching, it’s making some think about whether he even has a plan B. Our game has been well sussed... we need to maximise our threat by changing it in enough time to not just affect the game but affect the result. To persevere with what we are seeing from our current front two is bizarre.
Even the most ardent CW fan (and I am a fan) can see he’s way, way off being a threat in the game. Even the most stubborn person can see the difference in our forward play in the ten minutes it gets, surely?

I can’t make the argument that Vydra should start, neither can anyone else, but those of us arguing he’s not good enough based on his limited chances need to use the same algorithm when working out whether Wood is worthy of more time. What we can do is see that he brings something different that the opposition aren’t expecting from us and hope that the manager sees it too and decides to use it more.
You are not far away with that observation. For me Vydra on the half turn us far more dangerous than Wood in any situation.

The problem is Vydra doesn’t seem to like pressing and/or defending which is a red rag to Dyche.

Reading between the lines Vydra was a Garlick signing not Dyches, which seems to be where the problems started from between the pair. Garlick wanted a certain type of player to Dyche. Dyche is too stubborn and rigid. The sooner Palace punt Hodgeson the better.

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Re: Vydra

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:16 am

My memory could be playing tricks on me, cos I’m in my 40’s now and knocking on a bit, however, this view that Wood and Barnes created nothing is TOTALLY wrong isn’t it?

Wasn’t it neat interplay, with decent one touch football culminating in Barnes and Wood linking to release Wood for a shot on goal that Bailey slid in to block and deflect over?

Wasn’t it a good knockdown from Wood at the back post that nearly put Barnes in on the 6 yard line when he stretched to reach it but fouled Maguire?

Wasn’t it Wood’s early won aerial ball that allowed for a switch of play to Robbie Brady to lash over?

They linked ok, baring in mind that nobody ran beyond them all night. Normally it’s Taylor and McNeill who go past them, giving them space to play in. Tonight, in the first 45 Burnley pressed high, but they never broke the midfield line to get runners beyond the front pair. That’s going to severely limit their effectiveness, but even within that, there are bits to pick out.

Vydra, unfortunately just misses chances. He scored a scrappy equaliser against league one opposition at the weekend, but missed 2 very good chances consecutively and missed his penalty. He lacks the necessary quality to play at this level, even though he does have a decent touch and reasonable pace.
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Re: Vydra

Post by Murger » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:22 am

He may have scored a scrappy equaliser against lower league opponents, he may have missed a couple of chances, but it's more than Wood has or has looked like doing for weeks now.

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Re: Vydra

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:25 am

Wood had a decent chance, on target, deflected over in the first half. On recent games he has had shots and headers on target forcing good saves from the keeper. Defo against league one opposition and Sheff United

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Re: Vydra

Post by RMutt » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:27 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:16 am
My memory could be playing tricks on me, cos I’m in my 40’s now and knocking on a bit, however, this view that Wood and Barnes created nothing is TOTALLY wrong isn’t it?

Wasn’t it neat interplay, with decent one touch football culminating in Barnes and Wood linking to release Wood for a shot on goal that Bailey slid in to block and deflect over?

Wasn’t it a good knockdown from Wood at the back post that nearly put Barnes in on the 6 yard line when he stretched to reach it but fouled Maguire?

Wasn’t it Wood’s early won aerial ball that allowed for a switch of play to Robbie Brady to lash over?

They linked ok, baring in mind that nobody ran beyond them all night. Normally it’s Taylor and McNeill who go past them, giving them space to play in. Tonight, in the first 45 Burnley pressed high, but they never broke the midfield line to get runners beyond the front pair. That’s going to severely limit their effectiveness, but even within that, there are bits to pick out.

Vydra, unfortunately just misses chances. He scored a scrappy equaliser against league one opposition at the weekend, but missed 2 very good chances consecutively and missed his penalty. He lacks the necessary quality to play at this level, even though he does have a decent touch and reasonable pace.
You could argue all that. The difference being, Vydra has to do his work with a fifteen minute cameo every now and again, whereas Wood(and Barnes) get to do their work from extended runs in the starting eleven. I would say though, that our knocking it long, sometimes carefully, but often just clearing the lines, perhaps suits Wood and Barnes better. Vydra would work better with the ball on the ground being worked through midfield.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Right_winger » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:28 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:25 am
Wood had a decent chance, on target, deflected over in the first half. On recent games he has had shots and headers on target forcing good saves from the keeper. Defo against league one opposition and Sheff United
Think your watching a different game from me then as Wood has been tame.

Give Vydra a run of games. He’s not even match what and offers more threat than Wood.

Dyche is mainly the problem through. It’s the same plug and play tactics week in week out. No adaptation to opposition or anything. A squad of 15, 30+ journeymen is a Dyche squad
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Re: Vydra

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:29 am

I certainly don’t think Vydra is better than Wood.
Wood’s record at this level, prior to this season anyway, is very good.

The problem is his confidence is on the floor. Do we stick with him and hope he pulls through or take him out of the firing line.
One things for certain, unless we start to score more goals we are in big trouble. It’s been a problem since last February.

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Re: Vydra

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:30 am

RMutt wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:27 am
You could argue all that. The difference being, Vydra has to do his work with a fifteen minute cameo every now and again, whereas Wood(and Barnes) get to do their work from extended runs in the starting eleven. I would say though, that our knocking it long, sometimes carefully, but often just clearing the lines, perhaps suits Wood and Barnes better. Vydra would work better with the ball on the ground being worked through midfield.
I’d say it’s the route to the poor house if you’re suggesting completely changing the way the whole ethos of the team is set up to play, to rely on Vydra being good enough. He’s one of these players who gets better and better with every game he doesn’t play.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Murger » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:31 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:30 am
I’d say it’s the route to the poor house if you’re suggesting completely changing the way the whole ethos of the team is set up to play, to rely on Vydra being good enough. He’s one of these players who gets better and better with every game he doesn’t play.
And Wood is 1 of those players that gets worse with every game he does play.

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Re: Vydra

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:32 am

There is a chance that when the day comes and Vydra leaves, then the club could well be faced with a modern day Jimmy Mc scenario.

Some may vow never to return when this day arrives that this amazing player is allowed to leave.

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