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Perspective.....

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:14 am

1) The team lost narrowly in a scrappy game against the league leaders
2) The team are towards the top of the mini league that they are expected to compete in
3) The shape that the team play in is a core strength, it's what the continuous over achievement is based upon
4) The club continues to over perform
5) Wood and Barnes are not useless. Wood in particular is out of form. They are amongst the top 5-10 strikers the majority of us would have seen play for Burnley
6) Dyche is not stubborn and unwilling to change, he has clarity on what works for the team to get results. It may not be pretty, but it is clearly effective.

Any more?
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Re: Perspective.....

Post by vinrogue » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:21 am

The unity in the squad appears to be back, if it was ever lost.
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Re: Perspective.....

Post by Dark Cloud » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:22 am

Yes, we have 16 points and we're half way through January and playing well and getting nothing isn't going to keep us out the dog poo known as The Championship.

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Re: Perspective.....

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:25 am

Dark Cloud wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:22 am
Yes, we have 16 points and we're half way through January and playing well and getting nothing isn't going to keep us out the dog poo known as The Championship.
Perspective....... we won’t play Manchester United in every game. And the team is doing well enough already to be out of the relegation places.
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Re: Perspective.....

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:30 am

Dark Cloud wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:22 am
Yes, we have 16 points and we're half way through January and playing well and getting nothing isn't going to keep us out the dog poo known as The Championship.
It's a good job we're not getting nothing then. 10 points in the last six games

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Re: Perspective.....

Post by CaptJohn » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:30 am

We appear to be slowly getting over the injury crisis with most of our senior players starting to return. Hence the bench looks much stronger.
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Re: Perspective.....

Post by Dark Cloud » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:38 am

We've to get to about? 37 points by May and even for SD that's going to be almost miracle proportions from where we are now. Yes, we're playing pretty well, especially defensively, but the front 2 look extremely flat and that's an issue in itself because we really don't get many goals from elsewhere. (Yes, I know Mee scored the other week, but...) I'm very concerned tbh, as you may have noticed!! :roll:

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Re: Perspective.....

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:38 am

Dark Cloud wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:22 am
Yes, we have 16 points and we're half way through January and playing well and getting nothing isn't going to keep us out the dog poo known as The Championship.
Getting nothing?

Might be worth pointing out that we've lost twice in the last seven Premier League games, one of them with some very dodgy decisions and the other against the league leaders. Those seven points have brought eleven points and I think that's an excellent return from the fixtures we've had.
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Re: Perspective.....

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:40 am

Dark Cloud wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:38 am
We've to get to about? 37 points by May and even for SD that's going to be almost miracle proportions from where we are now.
If we do need 37, and I think it will be less, then we are on course because 37 is less than a point a game overall and we are running at a point a game now despite that very difficult start with half of the team missing. Miracle proportions from where we are now. Are you actually serious? On a thread entitled perspective you appear to have lost yours.
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Re: Perspective.....

Post by dpinsussex » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:40 am

Dark Cloud wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:38 am
We've to get to about? 37 points by May and even for SD that's going to be almost miracle proportions from where we are now. Yes, we're playing pretty well, especially defensively, but the front 2 look extremely flat and that's an issue in itself because we really don't get many goals from elsewhere. (Yes, I know Mee scored the other week, but...) I'm very concerned tbh, as you may have noticed!! :roll:
That is give or take a point a game. Currently what are we on? Surprisingly a point a game.
We will be alright
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Re: Perspective.....

Post by Dark Cloud » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:46 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:40 am
If we do need 37, and I think it will be less, then we are on course because 37 is less than a point a game overall and we are running at a point a game now despite that very difficult start with half of the team missing. Miracle proportions from where we are now. Are you actually serious? On a thread entitled perspective you appear to have lost yours.
CT, I've NEVER had things in perspective when it comes to BFC. Just ask Bigredrose!!!! :D

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Re: Perspective.....

Post by Down_Rover » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:55 am

Dark Cloud wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:38 am
We've to get to about? 37 points by May and even for SD that's going to be almost miracle proportions from where we are now. Yes, we're playing pretty well, especially defensively, but the front 2 look extremely flat and that's an issue in itself because we really don't get many goals from elsewhere. (Yes, I know Mee scored the other week, but...) I'm very concerned tbh, as you may have noticed!! :roll:
Well that means teams currently below us have to perform an even bigger miracle
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Re: Perspective.....

Post by Marney&Mee » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:58 am

1. We've made Arsenal, Spurs and Man Utd look distinctly average
2. Took a deflected goal to beat us last night
3. Close to having the full squad back
4. Clear path to the FA Cup QF's
5. Money to invest in the transfer window
6. Hardly conceding any goals (I know !)
7. Brady looking good again
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Re: Perspective.....

Post by Targetman » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:00 am

Dark Cloud wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:38 am
We've to get to about? 37 points by May and even for SD that's going to be almost miracle proportions from where we are now. Yes, we're playing pretty well, especially defensively, but the front 2 look extremely flat and that's an issue in itself because we really don't get many goals from elsewhere. (Yes, I know Mee scored the other week, but...) I'm very concerned tbh, as you may have noticed!! :roll:
So you think that it will be a miracle for us to reach 37 points but that it will be straightforward for 2 of the teams below us, on fewer points, to reach that total??
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Re: Perspective.....

Post by dsr » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:05 am

Dark Cloud wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:38 am
We've to get to about? 37 points by May and even for SD that's going to be almost miracle proportions from where we are now. Yes, we're playing pretty well, especially defensively, but the front 2 look extremely flat and that's an issue in itself because we really don't get many goals from elsewhere. (Yes, I know Mee scored the other week, but...) I'm very concerned tbh, as you may have noticed!! :roll:
Will it be classed as a miracle if only three of the bottom five are relegated?

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Re: Perspective.....

Post by Ipreferaflan » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:07 am

starting to look back to our best, but we simply need a change up top. That's not to say Wood and Barnes aren't good players, but they're clearly both way off it in front of goal.

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Re: Perspective.....

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:11 am

Dark Cloud wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:22 am
Yes, we have 16 points and we're half way through January and playing well and getting nothing isn't going to keep us out the dog poo known as The Championship.
Bear in mind that yes we may be halfway through January but we are also 6 games behind what we normally would have played by now in a normal season

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Re: Perspective.....

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:17 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:11 am
Bear in mind that yes we may be halfway through January but we are also 6 games behind what we normally would have played by now in a normal season
We played our 22nd game at Chelsea last season on 11th January

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Re: Perspective.....

Post by jojomk1 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:36 am

CaptJohn wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:30 am
We appear to be slowly getting over the injury crisis with most of our senior players starting to return. Hence the bench looks much stronger.
No good having a strong bench when the manager never uses it until the 80th minute :roll:

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Re: Perspective.....

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:38 am

Clearly there is a point..... as if a player gets injured you can replace him with a stronger replacement.

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Re: Perspective.....

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:38 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:36 am
No good having a strong bench when the manager never uses it until the 80th minute :roll:

McNeil sub 65th minute

Might be better opening your eyes rather than rolling them :)
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Re: Perspective.....

Post by MT03ALG » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:43 am

We only have to play Man City once more in the league and that's at home (as well as in the FA Cup Semi-Final!)

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Post by Spijed » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:48 am

Looking at the table, only five teams have conceded less than us.

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Post by willsclarets » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:03 am

We're doing fine, we just lost to a much better set of players in form. We can only beat the best sides of they're not at it, in the second half especially man united were.
I have to say though, which is not finger pointing at Dyche because he's doing a fine job, is that I'm increasingly finding watching us a total bore. It's just the realities of the Premier league and the pressure of trying to stay here. In terms of entertainment value alone, it's much more fun trying to get here than staying here.

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Re: Perspective.....

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:17 am

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Re: Perspective.....

Post by warksclaret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:20 am

We are somewhat back to the old Burnley. What worries me though is than in the last half dozen games Mee or Tarkowski arejust as likely to score as Barnes or Wood. Its likely we will get few chances per game includung when we play against the bottom 6, so we absolutely need the front two to convert a higher ratio of chances (as proved v MK Dons where we could have been 4-1 up at half time)

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Re: Perspective.....

Post by aggi » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:27 am

Dark Cloud wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:38 am
We've to get to about? 37 points by May and even for SD that's going to be almost miracle proportions from where we are now. Yes, we're playing pretty well, especially defensively, but the front 2 look extremely flat and that's an issue in itself because we really don't get many goals from elsewhere. (Yes, I know Mee scored the other week, but...) I'm very concerned tbh, as you may have noticed!! :roll:
A strange definition of a miracle.

Based on the points per game of the entire season we're on course for 38 points.
Based on the points per game of the last 10 games we're on course for 49 points.
Based on the points per game of the last 6 games we're on course for 53 points.

Form is improving, not getting worse.

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Re: Perspective.....

Post by MACCA » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:28 am

3 of our next 4 league games are away
Bench looks stronger
Any new additions will be well up to speed come the summer
Wood and Barnes will eventually take a chance if we persist
Probably only need 7 wins
Still have 3 of the bottom 4 to play at home

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Post by Safron » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:28 am

Dyche isn't stubborn, ha ha ha ha, that gave me bellyache 😂

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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:33 am

Spot on, dandeclaret. You are using your wide angle lens whilst too many on here are using macro.

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Re: Perspective.....

Post by kentonclaret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:42 am

"Looking at the table, only five teams have conceded less than us"

Looking at the table, we are the joint lowest scoring team with 9 goals, alongside bottom club Sheffield United.

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Post by middleton claret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:43 pm

Shaw should have walked.
International superstar Cavani warned for diving.
Signing of the decade Fernandes non-existent.
Pogba alone cost 2 x as much as BFC starting 11.
Martial marshalled by the best CB partners in league.
Starting 11 cost 480 million.
On another day Vids scores 2.
But for deflection Pope saves goal easily.
Incentive to go top of the league.
Hanging on in desperation at the end.
SD better at developing Man Utd youngsters than Man Utd - think Heaton, Keane, Brady, McNeil & Brownhill.

All this to come away with a scrappy 0-1 away win - embarrassing given their resources.
Perspective indeed !!.

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Post by kentonclaret » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:51 pm

"On another day Vids scores 2"

Vydra scoring twice in a PL game for Burnley this season?

I hope that day comes against West Ham in our next scheduled match. :P

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Re: Perspective.....

Post by bfcmik » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:34 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:51 pm
"On another day Vids scores 2"

Vydra scoring twice in a PL game for Burnley this season?

I hope that day comes against West Ham in our next scheduled match. :P
I just hope Burnley actually score 2 (or more) in a PL game (or any game for that matter) for only the 2nd time this season!

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