Vydra

[claretgimmer]

Nobody is saying he`s the answer just saying it would be a different option to the baron pairing that is currently occupying or we could just sleepwalk into the championship losing 1-0 each week

[claret59]

Did he not sign a new contract recently? If so he cannot have been that unsettled. I recall he said he was pleased to sign the contract.

[Hedontplayforyou]

One year extension triggered by the club I believe, which adds transfer value

[Tall Paul]

Nobody is saying he`s the answer just saying it would be a different option to the baron pairing that is currently occupying or we could just sleepwalk into the championship losing 1-0 each week

We've lost three of our last ten games

[claretgimmer]

Doesn`t alter the fact that our front two are misfiring and it needs changing and Vydra is part of the option

[Tall Paul]

Doesn`t alter the fact that our front two are misfiring and it needs changing and Vydra is part of the option

Maybe not, but it does mean we're not "sleepwalking into the championship losing 1-0 each week".

[dandeclaret]

World
Record
Fee?

[DCWat]

Mmmm... None of us really know do we, so we speculate on here. I'm definitely suggesting it's possible. He DOES have a stubborn streak tho... i think we have all seen that.

What REALLY irks me in all this though, is those that are blindly backing the managers choice to not use him when they can surely see that he brings a new dynamic to the team when he plays. Sure he's no Messi or Bebeto, but he's more of a handful for opposing defenders than Wood, and his pace gives them something else to think about. You ask a defender at ANY level what he fears the most.... But he's the manager and can't possibly be getting anything wrong can he? Wonder how many saying this were saying "why doesn't he move Mee to centre half and bring Wardy in at left back?" and we all know how that turned out don't we? My point being here that sometimes even us fans can see whats happening on the pitch and can see where improvements can be made.

For the record, i'm a massive SD fan despite what i have written, and there isn't another manager anywhere i would swap him for. But lets be honest, he ain't perfect...

I was definitely one of those bleating for Mee to be moved to centre half and I’d love for Vydra to be given a run of games.

Reckon we will only see a fifty percent hit rate though.

[Roosterbooster]

Mmmm... None of us really know do we, so we speculate on here. I'm definitely suggesting it's possible. He DOES have a stubborn streak tho... i think we have all seen that.

What REALLY irks me in all this though, is those that are blindly backing the managers choice to not use him when they can surely see that he brings a new dynamic to the team when he plays. Sure he's no Messi or Bebeto, but he's more of a handful for opposing defenders than Wood, and his pace gives them something else to think about. You ask a defender at ANY level what he fears the most.... But he's the manager and can't possibly be getting anything wrong can he? Wonder how many saying this were saying "why doesn't he move Mee to centre half and bring Wardy in at left back?" and we all know how that turned out don't we? My point being here that sometimes even us fans can see whats happening on the pitch and can see where improvements can be made.

For the record, i'm a massive SD fan despite what i have written, and there isn't another manager anywhere i would swap him for. But lets be honest, he ain't perfect...

I think you've hit the nail on the head. And I agree entirely. I want Dyche to stay. Its the main reason I was happy with the takeover. But he isn't perfect

He is definitely stubborn. With regards to the changes you note, I think quite a few of us were suggesting the changes he eventually made, only some time before he did. But his stubbornness might also pay off when we don't realise. How often do players come into form when many of us are clamouring for them to be dropped?

I'm a huge Vydra fan. Its so clear to me that he changes our dynamic, and brings the midfield into play so much more. I think combining him with McNeil in a more central position would be a masterstroke, but we will never see it.

The "In Dyche We Trust" brigade annoy me to hell and back. Yes I trust Dyche. But if your entire opinion is just "I agree with Dyche no matter what" then why bother. That's not an opinion. That's just lazy. Sometimes they can't explain why they agree with Dyche. Their argument is "well why would you know more than a professional premier league manager??" And fine, maybe i dont. But it doesn't mean that he is therefore right and I am wrong 100% of the time. If that was the case, then surely all PL managers would always do the right thing all of the time, and there would be no point in ever changing your manager.

Id be really interested to know exactly how many burnley fans currently think Wood is our best striker. I suspect its high, but I know far too many people not on this forum who are adamant that it's Vydra. And thats not just Burnley fans...

[boatshed bill]

When you watch us, we rarely move the ball forward in central midfield, it's not a tactic we use and it wouldn't serve Wood or Barnes particularly well.
Vydra (or Rodriguez) would be better at collecting the ball to feet outside the opposing box...but, as I say,it's not a tactic we use.

[claret2018]

Not PL quality as evidenced by his lack of game time, get him sold and ideally sign a first choice striker, or promote one of the Youth strikers into first team contention.

[Right_winger]

Not PL quality as evidenced by his lack of game time, get him sold and ideally sign a first choice striker, or promote one of the Youth strikers into first team contention.

His lack of time under Dyche is because he is not a hard working physical player. He’s not Dyches signing.

[snapcrackleandpop]

His lack of time under Dyche is because he is not a hard working physical player. He’s not Dyches signing.

Is that technical speak for a "lump" (not a dig at you RW BTW) because that is a Dyche type player otherwise we would see a lot more of Jay. As mentioned earlier in the thread we looked so much better with Jay & Vydra, I think Sean's tactics may just wear a little thin with Mr Pace.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Is that technical speak for a "lump" (not a dig at you RW BTW) because that is a Dyche type player otherwise we would see a lot more of Jay. As mentioned earlier in the thread we looked so much better with Jay & Vydra, I think Sean's tactics may just wear a little thin with Mr Pace.

You think Pace has got into this to be entertained by tippy tappy football rather than make a profit ?

Makes you wonder why he didn't buy the numerous championship clubs who play this way for a lot less

[snapcrackleandpop]

You think Pace has got into this to be entertained by tippy tappy football rather than make a profit ?

Makes you wonder why he didn't buy the numerous championship clubs who play this way for a lot less

Not sure he wants this hoof ball either but time will tell, I just don't think Sean will be as unaccountable as he has been going forward, which is not a bad thing. But the last thing I want is Dyche to leave, but, he has to stop being so stubborn or it will end in tears and they won't from Mr Pace.

[Hibsclaret]

I think Sean's tactics may just wear a little thin with Mr Pace.

I think the Dyche tactics of creating xxx millions of profit and increased asset value over the last 8 years will wear rather thick with Mr Pace

[dandeclaret]

Not sure he wants this hoof ball either but time will tell, I just don't think Sean will be as unaccountable as he has been going forward, which is not a bad thing. But the last thing I want is Dyche to leave, but, he has to stop being so stubborn or it will end in tears and they won't from Mr Pace.

Unaccountable? What does this mean?

He's the manager of a football club, with the aim of maintaining premier league football. That is what he is accountable for, and what he has been incredibly successful at. He isn't stubborn. Like most good sports people, and most good business managers, he has a laser focus on what the unique attributes that he can get the most from are, and works hard to get that from them. Very few successful businesses or teams just abandon their core principles that are delivering the results they want, to try something on the whim of others. It's unlikely that Ryanair would go..... bit bored of flying planes, let's try and build some electric cars.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Not sure he wants this hoof ball either but time will tell, I just don't think Sean will be as unaccountable as he has been going forward, which is not a bad thing. But the last thing I want is Dyche to leave, but, he has to stop being so stubborn or it will end in tears and they won't from Mr Pace.

Think the only tears will be from those who think everything on the pitch is going to change due to a new owner off the pitch.

[snapcrackleandpop]

So you're happy with whats going on on the pitch then, "unaccountable" maybe is not quite the correct term, what I meant to say was no matter how poorly we play, long runs without a win, we can't score for they life in us at the moment, his reluctance to change things when everybody in the ground can see it - he never seems to under any pressure from the powers that be.

[Belgianclaret]

I would like to see a front pairing of JayRod & Vydra, but then again I'm not the one who kept Burnley in the PL for 7 seasons

[dandeclaret]

So you're happy with whats going on on the pitch then, "unaccountable" maybe is not quite the correct term, what I meant to say was no matter how poorly we play, long runs without a win, we can't score for they life in us at the moment, his reluctance to change things when everybody in the ground can see it - he never seems to under any pressure from the powers that be.

Let's break it down....

Am I happy that Burnley are towards the top of the mini league they are expected to compete in at the start of the season? Yes.
Am I happy that they've got defensive shape and work rate back? Yes.
Am I easily pleased? No
Do I have a sense of perspective? Yes
Do I hope Burnley may finish above the mini league they are expected to compete in, as they have done twice in the last 3 years? Yes
Do I think Vydra is the answer to any perceived problem on the pitch? No - not remotely.

Our long run without a win, is currently.... checks notes..... one game, against the team at the top of the league.

This idea that everybody in the ground can see it is, to be frank, a total nonsense. It completely undermines the difficulty of being a football manager, and embedding new ideas. It seems to be a bit champ manager-ish that you just change a player, and that's all that's needed.

As ever in life, in any business, if you're doing a very good job, delivering results way above the expected level, then you'll rarely be under pressure from "The Powers That Be". It's a pretty simple concept to understand.

[Rileybobs]

The stone cold fact of the matter is that Dyche thinks that we’ll earn less points with Vydra in the side. He sees the players day in and day out, he also has access to bundles of data and statistics which will inform his view. The idea that he’s not playing Vydra because he is stubborn is ridiculous, that would be entirely counterproductive.

It’s natural to look to the bench when we’re going through a tough run (although we’re actually on a fairly decent run in terms of results). But in the fairly limited chances that Vydra has been given I don’t think anyone can honestly say they’ve seen a player who will regularly score goals at this level.

You can argue that we play better football with him in the side but I don’t necessarily agree with this. When he comes on we are invariably chasing the game and naturally committing more men to the attack. There’s only a couple of occasions where we’ve played ‘better football’ when Vydra has started, and for balance there are also numerous times where we’ve played good football when our other strikers have played. Which suggests that Vydra alone isn’t the difference. In any case, playing better football doesn’t equate to getting better results, and as we are always told - this is a results business.

I think it’s best for all parties if Vydra leaves, he’s clearly desperate to play football and I feel sorry for him that he’s not getting a chance here. Equally, he’s proving to be a waste of a squad player and we desperately need another option that Dyche trusts to improve us.

*Apologies for the wordy post.

[Bigvince]

*Apologies for the wordy post.

No need to apologise, I like posts with words in them

[Targetman]

Not PL quality as evidenced by his lack of game time, get him sold and ideally sign a first choice striker, or promote one of the Youth strikers into first team contention.

Hows it going with the humble pie, got any left yet??

[jojomk1]

Vydra was probably not a dyche signing so is down the pecking order for starts
Vydra does not suit our hoofball tactics so is down the pecking order for starts
Vydra is used by a number of fans to have a go at Dyche so is down the pecking order for starts

There are differing opinions on Vydra, but I think most people would agree Jay Rod has more natural footballing ability than either Wood or Barnes
Yet, if Wood and Barnes are fit he is generally down the pecking order for starts

Now if we were able to sign Troy Deeney ?

[Hibsclaret]

The classic example was when we were getting tonked by Chelsea last season at the Bridge. I think Vydra was brought on at 3 -0 down to ironic jeers from the away support. He was on a hiding to nothing and then played poorly for the rest of the game but we had already been well beaten. I remember thinking it was a tad unfair on Vydra to be brought on in those circumstances and he was feeding on scraps. However, the dissenting voices against Dyche that day were absolutely ridiculous.

As for against Man U the other day to have Vydra starting against those centre backs may have meant us struggling more in the first half where we had to play to our strengths. Vydra was perfect to come on at the end when we had to have a go but it is quite possible we would have lost the game much earlier in the game if he had started. He doesn’t give us the strength and power to play the way we do with Barnes and Wood which helped mitigate Man U strengths for at least half the game. Could he have appeared as sub sooner, perhaps yes but Man U still weren’t creating loads of chances even as we dropped deeper.

Best to leave it to the man who knows best....Mr Dyche

[BurnleyFC]

Unaccountable? What does this mean?

He's the manager of a football club, with the aim of maintaining premier league football. That is what he is accountable for, and what he has been incredibly successful at. He isn't stubborn. Like most good sports people, and most good business managers, he has a laser focus on what the unique attributes that he can get the most from are, and works hard to get that from them. Very few successful businesses or teams just abandon their core principles that are delivering the results they want, to try something on the whim of others. It's unlikely that Ryanair would go..... bit bored of flying planes, let's try and build some electric cars.

And that is what is wrong with top level professional sports.

In an ideal world, everybody would start with a level playing field and we could get back to it being an entertainments industry first and foremost, but it is what it is.

Money talks and keeping our Premier League place is king.

[expoultryboy]

I agree Rileybobs , i just wish Dyche would make changes earlier when its not working .

[Jambounchained]

Be a shame to see him go - can't say I blame him.

How many strikers out there will actually want to come here though?

They're never given a sniff.

[claretgimmer]

Our current run is based purely on some magnificent defending not good attacking and when the defending is slightly off we struggle, what's the point in a squad if you're not going to utilise it.

[SouthLondonexile]

Barnes is out of sorts at the moment and for me Vydra should be starting.

[Spijed]

So you're happy with whats going on on the pitch then, "unaccountable" maybe is not quite the correct term, what I meant to say was no matter how poorly we play, long runs without a win, we can't score for they life in us at the moment, his reluctance to change things when everybody in the ground can see it - he never seems to under any pressure from the powers that be.

What's the long run without a win?

Ah yes - one game.

[Rileybobs]

I agree Rileybobs , i just wish Dyche would make changes earlier when its not working .

Got to be honest, I was calling for a change 5/10 mins before we conceded against Man Utd because we just couldn't get out of our half. Their defence was beyond the halfway line and Maguire was carrying the ball forward. With a bit of pace we may have just made their defence retreat and ease the pressure. But equally, their physical centre backs may well have just bullied Vydra out of the game, which we have seen before.

We were 20 minutes away from a fantastic point and Dyche often backs his players to see these games over the line. Quite often it works, other times it doesn't. It's only with hindsight that we can be overly critical, and even then we don't know whether the game would have changed for the better or the worse with earlier substitutions.

This is why we need to replace Vydra if possible, because we need that option that Dyche feels he can trust to bring on, or even better start games.

[snapcrackleandpop]

What's the long run without a win?

Ah yes - one game.

I said WHEN we have been on long runs I never said we were currently on a poor run, if you're going have a pop at least read the post correctly.

[claretgimmer]

No matter what the reasons 9 goals in 16 games is not good enough something has to change whether that be personnel or tactics, we are in a relegation battle and the same old same old might not just be enough

[Tall Paul]

No matter what the reasons 9 goals in 16 games is not good enough something has to change whether that be personnel or tactics, we are in a relegation battle and the same old same old might not just be enough

The main thing that needs to change is our luck in front of goal and it probably will.

[beddie]

I wonder if there would have been different opinions on Vydra if one of those two chances near the end the other evening had gone in.

[Rileybobs]

I wonder if there would have been different opinions on Vydra if one of those two chances near the end the other evening had gone in.

Probably, just like there would have been different opinions on Wood and Barnes had they put their chances in. Football fans are fickle. The difference is, the latter have proven themselves over the last few seasons.

[RingoMcCartney]

People putting it down to luck, or lack of.

“The more I practice, the luckier I get,” Gary Player.

Its not as if they're short of practice......

[MACCA]

Luck has nothing to do with it

Being 1 on 1 with a league 1 goal keeper and trying to win a penalty isnt bad luck when you mess it up, just do your job and roll it in the net.

Having 3 free headers 6 yards out and not hitting the target isnt bad luck, just very bad play.

Unlucky is doing everything you should and a world class save or it being ruled out as your elbow was offside being your downfall.

Simply missing guilt edge chances time and time again isnt bad luck, it's bad play.
You hard work your way out of bad form and make your own luck, IMO Wood isnt even working hard, his head is down and he's taking the easy option rather than working twice as hard.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I guess we will see tomorrow if the rumours have anything about them. If he is in the squad it’s probably nothing more than paper talk.

[tiger76]

We've lost three of our last ten games

We have but in those 10 games we've only scored 6 goals, and it's mainly down to our superb defending that we've picked up as many points as we have, it's dangerous to keep relying on keeping clean sheets, so we do need to start scoring goals soon.

Now is Vydra the answer to our problems, TBH I'm afraid he's not, and when he's enjoyed an extended run in the side he's failed to grasp his chance, yes Barnes & Wood are in terrible trots, but both have shown they are capable of netting at this level over a lengthy period of time, and this is why SD persists with them as a pairing, for his and of course our sakes let's hope they came good starting tomorrow.

[box_of_frogs]

Lick has nothing to do with it

Being 1 on 1 with a league 1 goal keeper and trying to win a penalty isnt luck, just do your job and roll it in the net.

Having 3 free headers 6 yards out and not hitting the target isnt bad luck, just very bad play.

Unlucky is doing everything you should and a world class save or it being ruled out as your elbow was offside is your downfall.

Simply missing guilt edge chances time and time again isnt bad luck, it's bad play.
You hard work your way out of form and make your own luck, IMO Wood isnt even working hard, his head is down and he's taking the easy option tattered than working.

Nail on the head there Macca.

[jojomk1]

Dyche says today that there has been no contact from Union Berlin regarding Vydra

So starts tomorrow

[BurnleyFC]

Dyche says today that there has been no contact from Union Berlin regarding Vydra

So starts tomorrow

Fingers crossed.