FA cup final 1914
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FA cup final 1914
I’ve seen grainy footage of our 1914 heroics in the past but I’m not sure I’ve seen all this clip on YouTube. Better quality I think and some attempt to add colour. Apols if it has been posted before.
https://youtu.be/MbfpmQCqf7s
https://youtu.be/MbfpmQCqf7s
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Whoops- 1914 of course!
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Thanks for the link LC.lewishamclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:34 amI’ve seen grainy footage of our 1914 heroics in the past but I’m not sure I’ve seen all this clip on YouTube. Better quality I think and some attempt to add colour. Apols if it has been posted before.
https://youtu.be/MbfpmQCqf7s
Our players were fast in those days were they not, unlike now of course
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Yes, super sharp even in the warm up!
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Edited the title for you, lewishamclaret
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That's so weird I just saw this last night too!
The fans are so far back! I guess it was a cricket pitch with some temporary seating closer to the football pitch. Who would attend a match like that back then? That surely isn't 70 thousand northerners?
The fans are so far back! I guess it was a cricket pitch with some temporary seating closer to the football pitch. Who would attend a match like that back then? That surely isn't 70 thousand northerners?
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I can’t imagine anybody in the second ring of fans could see a thing!
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It was such a poor venue for a cup final. Surely there was a proper football ground that was more suitable.
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Great footage - thanks for posting! Anyone else spot the player try to leap the rope barrier on left hand side (at 1.02) ...and fail miserably! "He fell over, he fell over!"
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Two tough tackles. One at far end, player gets up and it’s as if nothing had happened (I liked that). Another one near this end’s goal and he stays down. He must have been really really bad or even dead! Those were the days.
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Looks like it's been colourized by an algorithm to me. They do a half decent job considering they're robots but how well they can guess at colours depends on many factors including how good the quality of the original prints is - in this case, dreadful. It appears to have called the colour of kit correctly which is impressive.lewishamclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:34 amBetter quality I think and some attempt to add colour.
The film could be stabilized and have the noise and distortion removed. There are also processes that can improve that stuttering/"fast pace" effect that is the result of the low frame rate. It's possible that this was filmed with a manual handle to feed the film which would result in the playback speed appearing to speed up/slow down too.
All of these restoration processes are expensive, takes time, expertise and needs somebody to fund it.
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Is anybody back yet?
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"All of these restoration processes are expensive, takes time, expertise and needs somebody to fund it."
Right I'm on the blower now to our AP
Right I'm on the blower now to our AP
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Still makes me laugh where the player trips when vaulting the rope ... when they are going onto the pitch about a minute in
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Must have been one of Ben Mee's ancestors taking one bang in the face to prevent a goal in the 6 yard box!!
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To think what was in store for those young fellas with World War 1 breaking out
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Indeed. I guess we must have lost players to the war. But were of course a force again in the early 1920s.
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Early projectors ran at 14-18 frames per second, modern at 24 FPS which is why old films always appear fast. As Rowls says above there are ways to correct this now and some of the World War I footage I’ve seen using the new tech recently is incredible, original footage that looks like HD. Also a lot was actually shot, that now we are starting to fully understand the processes used back then were screened in 3D
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Re: FA cup final 1914
This was the last final held at Crystal Palace, the following year it was held at OT, and then the 3 post-war finals prior to Wembley opening, all took place at Stamford Bridge.Stan Tastic wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:44 pmIt was such a poor venue for a cup final. Surely there was a proper football ground that was more suitable.
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I've always been intrigued with that random climbing wall. Looking at the NLS map thingy https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by ... ht=BingHyb, I've tried all the maps, but can't find an imprint of the stadium location itself, so I can visualise the context of the great exhibition, the glass palace etc.Stan Tastic wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:44 pmIt was such a poor venue for a cup final. Surely there was a proper football ground that was more suitable.
Can anybody shed any light, find a decent contemporary map of the palace between 1895 and 1914 please.
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The 1995 game against Liverpool"linked" is a good watch seems Longer tbh. Always remember Wayne Russel reserve keeper Who lived around Brockenhurst st turf moor.(how times change) the player saville escapes me though...
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Anybody else spot CT second row back at the 14 final ?
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Pay on the gate?
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Was it not Andy Saville? Think he was on loan
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What I want to know is how did they manage to get up on those posts? Other than being lowered on by crane it would take some balancing act.
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What I want to know is, what is the actual purpose of those wooden posts?
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I was waiting for Linekar and Shearer's analysis at the end there.
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Burnley took in excess of 20,000 supporters.
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https://www.ssplprints.com/image/113413 ... enham-1911WalkdenClaret wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:53 amPalaceOS1900s.jpg
I've always been intrigued with that random climbing wall. Looking at the NLS map thingy https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by ... ht=BingHyb, I've tried all the maps, but can't find an imprint of the stadium location itself, so I can visualise the context of the great exhibition, the glass palace etc.
Can anybody shed any light, find a decent contemporary map of the palace between 1895 and 1914 please.
There's a 1911 map here that shows the stands that were in place for the 1914 final
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You're kidding - more like one of Rivaldo''s ancestors. Ball doesn't go anywhere near his face.Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:31 pmMust have been one of Ben Mee's ancestors taking one bang in the face to prevent a goal in the 6 yard box!!
I presume ITV covered it as they missed the goal...
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There are some fascinating videos on YouTube where someone has done exactly that to 100+ year old film (though none of it football related as far as I can see). Some of the results are really impressive, the best feature is the speed correction that makes it look all that more real.Rowls wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:13 pmLooks like it's been colourized by an algorithm to me. They do a half decent job considering they're robots but how well they can guess at colours depends on many factors including how good the quality of the original prints is - in this case, dreadful. It appears to have called the colour of kit correctly which is impressive.
The film could be stabilized and have the noise and distortion removed. There are also processes that can improve that stuttering/"fast pace" effect that is the result of the low frame rate. It's possible that this was filmed with a manual handle to feed the film which would result in the playback speed appearing to speed up/slow down too.
All of these restoration processes are expensive, takes time, expertise and needs somebody to fund it.
Here’s an example.
https://youtu.be/EQs5VxNPhzk
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That's amazing martin. Thanks for sharing.martin_p wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:37 pmThere are some fascinating videos on YouTube where someone has done exactly that to 100+ year old film (though none of it football related as far as I can see). Some of the results are really impressive, the best feature is the speed correction that makes it look all that more real.
Here’s an example.
https://youtu.be/EQs5VxNPhzk
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An amazing piece of engineering - still operating too...martin_p wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:37 pmThere are some fascinating videos on YouTube where someone has done exactly that to 100+ year old film (though none of it football related as far as I can see). Some of the results are really impressive, the best feature is the speed correction that makes it look all that more real.
Here’s an example.
https://youtu.be/EQs5VxNPhzk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuppertal_Schwebebahn
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I wasn't aware that anything like that existed, that's amazing.martin_p wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:37 pmThere are some fascinating videos on YouTube where someone has done exactly that to 100+ year old film (though none of it football related as far as I can see). Some of the results are really impressive, the best feature is the speed correction that makes it look all that more real.
Here’s an example.
https://youtu.be/EQs5VxNPhzk
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Some great WW2 footage has been colorised too. This one is filmed in Germany after the surrender. The destruction is quite sobering. 9 mins in shows German soldiers being rounded up and looks like it could have been filmed yesterday almost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwy8SzV ... DIAHistory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwy8SzV ... DIAHistory
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Cheers Claret, I can see the stands now.Claret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:57 pmhttps://www.ssplprints.com/image/113413 ... enham-1911
There's a 1911 map here that shows the stands that were in place for the 1914 final
After much straining, it seems that they plonked it in one of the double ended condom shaped bits, which makes sense as the bottom one is now the Crystal Palace National Sports Centre (the athletics track)
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Impressive...very!martin_p wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:37 pmThere are some fascinating videos on YouTube where someone has done exactly that to 100+ year old film (though none of it football related as far as I can see). Some of the results are really impressive, the best feature is the speed correction that makes it look all that more real.
Here’s an example.
https://youtu.be/EQs5VxNPhzk
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I bought a 1914 Cup Final shirt (copy) a few years ago - still in the box.
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This photo gives one of the best views of the old crystal palace stadium.
http://www.southlondonblog.co.uk/wp-con ... ce1905.jpg
Showing why it was used for Cup Finals. Higher capacity than other grounds . though not a great view for many.
http://www.southlondonblog.co.uk/wp-con ... ce1905.jpg
Showing why it was used for Cup Finals. Higher capacity than other grounds . though not a great view for many.
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I'm not sure what you mean by climbing wall but I found this clear map with the football ground outlined with its pavilions.WalkdenClaret wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:53 am
Can anybody shed any light, find a decent contemporary map of the palace between 1895 and 1914 please.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/103675748
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Cheers Edlass,
Funnily enough, spotted the wall on that map. And yes, I know I wasn't dreaming, now i'm convinced it was either the world's first ginormous climbing wall, or the Blackpool Pleasure Beach Ride Space Invaders looped through it's own black hole and landed in 1914 South London ! Can anyone shed any light on this ?
Funnily enough, spotted the wall on that map. And yes, I know I wasn't dreaming, now i'm convinced it was either the world's first ginormous climbing wall, or the Blackpool Pleasure Beach Ride Space Invaders looped through it's own black hole and landed in 1914 South London ! Can anyone shed any light on this ?
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I looked into it a few years ago and it was a sit on fairground type attraction. There’s some photographs somewhere of people on it but would take a while to find themWalkdenClaret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:34 pmCheers Edlass,
Funnily enough, spotted the wall on that map. And yes, I know I wasn't dreaming, now i'm convinced it was either the world's first ginormous climbing wall, or the Blackpool Pleasure Beach Ride Space Invaders looped through it's own black hole and landed in 1914 South London ! Can anyone shed any light on this ?
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A good source of information and photographs is “To The Palace For The Cup” by Ian Bevan, Stuart Hibberd and Michael Gilbert.
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Good celebratory crowd scene here back in Burnley
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