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West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:57 pm

Team news due in a few minutes
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Post by Steve1956 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:58 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:57 pm
Team news due in a few minutes
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Post by superdimitri » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:58 pm

Yay! Thanks Tony. Kept refreshing for this. Let's hope we can get a result today. A bunch of tough games coming up! Up the Clarets.

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Post by Wellsy1882 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:59 pm

Vydra starts

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Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:00 pm

Wellsy1882 wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:59 pm
Vydra starts
Wrong, for a change.

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Post by clarethomer » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:01 pm

Here is todays lineup
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Post by matttheclaret » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:01 pm

Very surprised McNeil isn't back in

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Post by burnley007 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:02 pm

Bring Jay and Dwight on straight away please Sean.

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Post by taio » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:02 pm

I've never known anyone get as much wrong

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Post by Tall Paul » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:02 pm

Whinging to start in 3..2..1...

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Post by Mrpotatohead » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:02 pm

Can someone remind me of that saying about doing the same thing and expecting different results?

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Post by CleggHall » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:02 pm

A strong bench compared to early season.
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Post by burnley007 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:03 pm

3 Central midfielders on the bench. Who would have ever imagined this day!!??

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Post by Tall Paul » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:03 pm

Mrpotatohead wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:02 pm
Can someone remind me of that saying about doing the same thing and expecting different results?
Results have been pretty good in the last ten games.
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Post by Stu » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:03 pm

Can’t believe he as gone with Wood and Barnes again !!

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Post by evensteadiereddie » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:03 pm

We'll see, Mr. ph...
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Post by nyclaret » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:03 pm

Big game for Wood and Barnes (I’ve been saying this for the past 4-5 games).
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Post by superdimitri » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:03 pm

West Ham fans are scared of Wood. Let's hope he keeps his cool today and buries a chance to get the confidence back.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:04 pm

Need a big result and good performances from the front two.

There will be a big backlash if not i'm afraid.

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Post by evensteadiereddie » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:05 pm

Unlikely and from whom ?

Backed Woody to score, he can't fail.

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Post by Wellsy1882 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:05 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:00 pm
Wrong, for a change.
He was never gunna start haha

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Post by Wellsy1882 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:06 pm

Got.to be wood and barnes last chance
No goals today and they need dropping

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Post by nyclaret » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:07 pm

Wellsy1882 wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:06 pm
Got.to be wood and barnes last chance
No goals today and they need dropping
Wood will not be dropped. Ever.

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Post by Safron » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:07 pm

Groundhog Day again, I suppose if you keep plugging away regardless it's got to come good at some point 😉

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Post by Top Claret » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:07 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:02 pm
Bring Jay and Dwight on straight away please Sean.
Jay as done little this season to make me feel that he would be an improvement on Wood or Barnes

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Post by superdimitri » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:08 pm

Wellsy1882 wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:06 pm
Got.to be wood and barnes last chance
No goals today and they need dropping
All about the team performance. If as a collective we play well, they won't be dropped.

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Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:08 pm

That’s a hugely surprising starting eleven from Mr Dyche.

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Post by gtclaret » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:08 pm

I suspect that he doesn't believe that Mcneil and J Rod are fully match fit. He will bring them on, and again on Thursday, possibly starting at Fulham

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Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:08 pm

Safron wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:07 pm
Groundhog Day again, I suppose if you keep plugging away regardless it's got to come good at some point 😉
To be fair, that has been the bedrock of our success.

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Post by Safron » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:08 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:04 pm
Need a big result and good performances from the front two.

There will be a big backlash if not i'm afraid.
Won't bother dyche in the slightest

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Post by Spiral » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:09 pm

I'm convinced that Dyche's continued insistence on starting Wood and Barnes is at least about 40% for defending set pieces.
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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:09 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:03 pm
West Ham fans are scared of Wood. Let's hope he keeps his cool today and buries a chance to get the confidence back.
Six goals in five games against them
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Post by Safron » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:11 pm

Spiral wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:09 pm
I'm convinced that Dyche's continued insistence on starting Wood and Barnes is at least about 40% for defending set pieces.
Nail on head

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Post by dandeclaret » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:11 pm

Mrpotatohead wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:02 pm
Can someone remind me of that saying about doing the same thing and expecting different results?
Yep - no problem. If something isn't broken, don't fix it. Is that the one you were looking for?

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Post by Roosterbooster » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:11 pm

Mrpotatohead wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:02 pm
Can someone remind me of that saying about doing the same thing and expecting different results?
Thanks for asking. I'd love to. The quote is "insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results." Its attributed to Einstein. But he never said it. Probably because it's incorrect. If you do the same thing over and over, you should expect different results. That's chaos theory. And it is a well evidenced theory which we see on a daily basis. The real question is how different will the outcome be, and how often, if we do the same thing over and over again. If it's a tiny change most of the time, then the insanity quote holds some ground. But if its a significant change most of the time... well you get the point

Long and short of it all. Dyche knows this team can get a result. But you have to ask how long he will stick with those front 2. If we don't score again today... then you surely have to ask questions
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Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:12 pm

Wood x 2 today

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Post by Wellsy1882 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:12 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:08 pm
All about the team performance. If as a collective we play well, they won't be dropped.
They are both toss

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Post by Roosterbooster » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:12 pm

nyclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:07 pm
Wood will not be dropped. Ever.
He was dropped early on in his Burnley days

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Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:13 pm

Spiral wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:09 pm
I'm convinced that Dyche's continued insistence on starting Wood and Barnes is at least about 40% for defending set pieces.
A large part of the remaining 60% will be because Wood is by far our biggest goal threat. And when you’re struggling for goals like we are then it makes sense for that person to be on the pitch.

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Post by Andreshotboots » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:14 pm

At least we won't get told off for our goal celebrations..look on the bright side :D
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Post by Bosscat » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:15 pm

Wellsy1882 wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:59 pm
Vydra starts
https://youtu.be/2Ttsa4__Ewk
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Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:15 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:11 pm
Thanks for asking. I'd love to. The quote is "insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results." Its attributed to Einstein. But he never said it. Probably because it's incorrect. If you do the same thing over and over, you should expect different results. That's chaos theory. And it is a well evidenced theory which we see on a daily basis. The real question is how different will the outcome be, and how often, if we do the same thing over and over again. If it's a tiny change most of the time, then the insanity quote holds some ground. But if its a significant change most of the time... well you get the point

Long and short of it all. Dyche knows this team can get a result. But you have to ask how long he will stick with those front 2. If we don't score again today... then you surely have to ask questions
Haha, and as an engineer with a strong quality background if you’d like to discuss ‘repeatability’ I'm your man. ;)

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Post by jojomk1 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:15 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:08 pm
That’s a hugely surprising starting eleven from Mr Dyche.
One trick pony ?

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Post by dandeclaret » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:16 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:15 pm
One trick pony ?
Yep - a bloody good trick of winning far more football matches than the expected level.
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Post by Spiral » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:17 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:13 pm
A large part of the remaining 60% will be because Wood is by far our biggest goal threat. And when you’re struggling for goals like we are then it makes sense for that person to be on the pitch.
I'd tend to agree in general, especially in the case of Wood, but I'm just ripping my hair out at the sheer number of absolute sitters both have been missing this season.

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Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:18 pm

Spiral wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:17 pm
I'd tend to agree in general, especially in the case of Wood, but I'm just ripping my hair out at the sheer number of absolute sitters both have been missing this season.
Frustrating isn’t it. Although we’ve not created anywhere near enough chances for them to miss. There have been a number of sitters though.

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Post by BaronGarcia » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:19 pm

I'm not going to knock Dyche as he has been our best manager by far in the 45 years I have been a proud claret. BUT, I just don't get his insistence on persisting with a front line, Wood in particular, that isn't producing results. On Tuesday night against Man UTD, I thought Barnes work around the pitch was excellent, however Wood just doesn't seem to do very much at all. So if he isn't scoring, what is he contributing? If he was getting say a goal every two games then fair enough, you can justify his inclusion, but he isn't .... so what is he actually contributing!! When Jay and/or Vydra actually get game time, we start creating chances. It seams an awful gamble each game to keep persisting with the Wood and Barnes combo. I would have swapped Barnes for Jay today if Wood is undroppable (which he appears to be). Rant over .....

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Post by Safron » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:20 pm

If we get a performance I don't mind the starting 11, it's when we don't we look awful I can't stand.

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Post by jedi_master » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:21 pm

You have to think that if today doesn’t see a huge improvement from Wood and Barnes then they will be dropped.

Pressure can bring the best out in a player!

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Post by dandeclaret » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:21 pm

BaronGarcia wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:19 pm
I'm not going to knock Dyche as he has been our best manager by far in the 45 years I have been a proud claret. BUT, I just don't get his insistence on persisting with a front line, Wood in particular, that isn't producing results. On Tuesday night against Man UTD, I thought Barnes work around the pitch was excellent, however Wood just doesn't seem to do very much at all. So if he isn't scoring, what is he contributing? If he was getting say a goal every two games then fair enough, you can justify his inclusion, but he isn't .... so what is he actually contributing!! When Jay and/or Vydra actually get game time, we start creating chances. It seams an awful gamble each game to keep persisting with the Wood and Barnes combo. I would have swapped Barnes for Jay today if Wood is undroppable (which he appears to be). Rant over .....
7th in the Premier League form table based on the last 6 games....... how on earth is that not producing results?
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