Thing is KlyBfc teams know our strike force ain't a threat anymore. The problems start from there


FIVE shots on target in Three games says it all. W@nk

Pope 6
Lowton 5
Tarkowski 6
Mee 5
Pieters 5
JBG 4
Brownhill 5
Westwood 5
Brady 5
Wood 4
Barnes 4

McNeil 7
Vydra 6
Jay 6

Very disappointing. Changes needed in both transfers and selection. I don’t think it’s healthy for players to know they can play **** for 3 games and still keep their place. Not healthy for the players waiting for a chance either.

Pope 6
Lowton 6
Tarkowski 6
Mee 6
Pieters 5
JBG 4
Brownhill 5 looks like a Championship player
Westwood 4
Brady 5 poor deliveries
Barnes 3 should be nowhere near the PL. Times is up. Even the attempts at winning free kicks ( the only thing he offers) are looking lame.
Wood 3 Abysmal. One of the porn barons’ sex dolls would have offered more up front.

Subs too late should have started as most of us knew:
McNeil 7 mom
Vydra 6
JRod 6

Dyche 3 wrong line up. His stubbornness and one tactic management along with Galick’s meanness have got us us into this mess.

What a boring predictable match.

MACCA wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:16 pm

Dyche on striker selection...

“It’s not about loyalty," he said. "It’s about players I think are playing well, players that are active, players doing the job they’re meant to do.”

I don't bother listening to him anymore, but it's absolutely incredible if he's actually said that.

What the **** is an active player? Because if you ask me to show you an inactive player, I'll sure as hell be directing you to Wood and/ or Barnes.

Pope 7
Lowton 6
Tarks 6 (poor for the goal)
Mee 7
Pieters 5
Brady 6
Westwood 6
Brownhill 6
Jbg 4 (really really offbthe pace)
Wood 6
Barnes 5 really struggled today - needs a rest

McNeil 7
Vydra 5
Jay 5

Folk on here keep going on about Wood and Barnes who are off the mark at the moment, but big question marks over Westwood and Brownhill who don't have the legs nor the ability to press

Pope 6
Lowton 6
Tarkowski 5
Mee 5
Pieters 5
JBG 4
Westwood 5
Brownhill 6
Brady 6
Wood 3
Barnes 3

McNeil 7
Vydra 5

Something has to change, we aren't scoring goals, we aren't looking like scoring goals. That team selection today was ridiculous.

Can anyone say that either Barnes or Wood are playing anywhere near good enough to be playing atm? They're both completely shot of form and confidence.

McNeil has to start, Vydra and Jay Rod need to be given a decent go up front together. I think it's time for Jack Cork to come back in too.

No guarantees those changes will make a massive difference, but we've scored 9 goals in 17 games. We have to try something different. We're only going one way if this continues.

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:19 pm

Folk on here keep going on about Wood and Barnes who are off the mark at the moment, but big question marks over Westwood and Brownhill who don't have the legs nor the ability to press

I’m not sure that I’d say they don’t have the ability or the legs. I’d say that they were really poor today though and we’ve a central midfield that needs improving.

Cork is by no means perfect but he’s been missed hugely.

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:19 pm

Folk on here keep going on about Wood and Barnes who are off the mark at the moment, but big question marks over Westwood and Brownhill who don't have the legs nor the ability to press

Well thats bo!!ocks but do go on

DCWat wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:23 pm

I’m not sure that I’d say they don’t have the ability or the legs. I’d say that they were really poor today though and we’ve a central midfield that needs improving.

Cork is by no means perfect but he’s been missed hugely.

Westwood isn't the same player without Cork and I am afraid Brownhill is just not good enough.
Brownhills as played 27 premier league games with no goals or assists

Pope 7
Lowton 6
Tarkowski 6
Mee 7
Pieters 4
JBG 4
Brownhill 5
Westwood 4
Brady 5
Wood 4
Barnes 3

McNeil 8
Vydra 6
Jay 6

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:25 pm

Well thats bo!!ocks but do go on

Just have

Pope 6 (Not much to do)
Lowton 7* (Got some decent crosses in)
Tarks 7 (Includes 1 for the showboat sequence 2nd half)
Mee 7
Pieters 4
Westwood 4
Brownhill 5
Brady 6
JBG 4 (Injuries taken their toll)
Wood 4 (Good player just woefully of form, needs a rest)
Barnes 4 (Endeavour but never looked like scoring)

Vydra 6 (At least caused WH defence some worry)
McNeil 7 (Has to start next game)
Jayrod 5 (Not much time to get in the game)

Pope 6
Lowton 6
Tarkowski 5
Mee 8*
Pieters 6
Gudmundsson 5
Westwood 4
Brownhill 6
Brady 5
Barnes 5
Wood 5

McNeil 7
Vydra 6
Jay Rod 5


So many problems with the team. I don't blame Wood or Barnes, they all deserve criticism. The effort is always there, but we really look clueless when we attack.
The forwards, the wide men, the midfield, the full backs couldn't make a decent pass if we were playing against a 5 a side team.
We need everybody to start thinking about the game. Find a team mate in space. If you don't have the ball make space. The balls into the box are so flat and toothless. Nobody tries to work the ball to the byline and get crosses in from out wide. We need a midfield general to organise them, and tell them when they get it wrong. Sadly we don't have anyone on the books who fits that bill.

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:19 pm

Folk on here keep going on about Wood and Barnes who are off the mark at the moment, but big question marks over Westwood and Brownhill who don't have the legs nor the ability to press

Cork and Benson must be pushing these two for a start, they're unbelievably negative.

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:27 pm

Westwood isn't the same player without Cork and I am afraid Brownhill is just not good enough.
Brownhills as played 27 premier league games with no goals or assists

To be fair to Brownhill, had we kept Hendrick and Cork had remained fit, I think he’d have had far fewer games and been integrated far more gradually than has been the case.

I’d love us to have more creativity through the middle with assists and goals from central midfield, but we just don’t play that way.

I dont think that we can therefore judge Brownhill on goals and assists, it’s probably not what he’s being asked to deliver.

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:28 pm

Just have

But what you've said is unfortunately bo!!ocks

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:16 pm

Thing is KlyBfc teams know our strike force ain't a threat anymore. The problems start from there


FIVE shots on target in Three games says it all. W@nk

I’m not saying they are playing well, but the whole team is contributing to this ... you could replace Vydra for any of wood and Barnes and I’m convinced we would be having the same conversation.

Pope - 5
Pieters - 3
Tarky - 5
Mee - 5
Lowton - 4
Gudmunson - 5
Westwood - 5
Brownhill - 4
Brady - 5
Wood - 3
Barnes - 3

Vydra - 6
McNeil - 7
Rodriguez - 5

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:31 pm

But what you've said is unfortunately bo!!ocks

Your extremely out spoken tonight Graham

Pope 7
Lowton 8*
Tarkowski 7
Mee 7
Pieters 6

Gudmundsson 4
Westwood 4
Brownhill 4
Brady 5

Wood 4
Barnes4

MacNeil 7
Vydra 4

Pope 7 did nothing wrong no fault in their goal
Lowton 5 average performance but is so slow
Tarks 7 Both centre halves performed well BM just slightly better and MoM for me
Mee 8* Mom
Pieters 3 Contribution zero
Brady 5 Worked hard but has to make more impression creatively
Brownhill 5 Just seems to get caught out of position to often resulting in having to make tackles from behind
Westwood 4 I like Westy but it`s just not happening for him at the moment
JBG 4 Not producing what we know he can
Wood 4 Neither produced a performance worthy of starting a game at this level, poor service to them, yes but the ability
Barnes 4 to hold the ball up and bring other players into the game or produce any kind of threat was woeful ( Again )

McNeil 8 Has to start, end of
Vydra7 Again like Jay these lads bring something different and if we have to change our normal lump it tatics to accomodate
J Rod 6 them so be it because we look a better team with them in it

Dyche 3 for having his head so far up his own arse not be able to see his lumping it up to two totem poles tatics are blown and he needs to re-think our whole approach to games

Lol Top Claret

Amphetamines and Vodka if you read the match thread

Not really

That was absolutely woeful.

Pope 6
Lowton 6
Pieters 4
Tarkowski 6
Mee 7
Gudmundsson 5
Brady 5
Westwood 4
Brownhill 4
Barnes 4
Wood 3

McNeil 7*
Vydra 6
Rodriguez 5

Pope 6
Lowton 6-some good crosses second half
Tarks 6-not at his best but Antonio is a handful
Mee 7
Pieters 5-left Ben exposed a number of times. HE has no intention of getting to the by line and crossing it, like Charlie does
JBG 5-starting to think his time is running out
Westwood 5-poor game by his standards
Brownhill 6
Brady 6-he actually is growing in confidence
Wood 5-do him a favour and next game bring him on from the bench. Just nothing going for him
Barnes 5- his only contribution is winning the odd free kick

Jay 6
McNeil 7-great half, like his old self, and a point to prove
Vydra 5-no end product

Teams know we have two bang out of form strikers so we carry zero threat. Thats why we had more possession.

Sit off us and we won't score!

KlyBfc wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:31 pm

I’m not saying they are playing well, but the whole team is contributing to this ... you could replace Vydra for any of wood and Barnes and I’m convinced we would be having the same conversation.

But we may have a chance due to a change of attacking plan focus. With movement up front at least it gives you a modicum of hope

Strange thing... apparently children don't have access to computers for home teaching, yet always seem to find one to post on here (and elsewhere) when we lose

Pope - 6 Not a lot to do but his kicking is become very concerning
Lowton - 5 tried to overlap but has not got the legs to get back
Tarky - 5 not at the races today and should have been screaming Ben’s head off for the goal
Mee - 6 couple of good interceptions but his distribution was poor
Pieters - 4 same as Lowts but his legs have gone
JBG - 4 rightly hooked at HT. 18 months ago that effort at goal would have ripped the net out. Confidence gone
Brownhill - 5 huff and puff. Needs SD to let him off the leash and try and assist the forward moves
Westy - 5 not the Ash of old. Passing poor and his lack of pace is hindering us currently
Brady - 6 deliveries and dead balls are still pants. Probably the best of the midfield 1st half
Wood - 3 no words needed
Barnes - 4 not much better

McNeil - 7 blind man on a horse could see he should be starting. Only positive on a thoroughly depressing afternoon
Vydra - 4 instead of doing nothing for 10 minutes he did it for 30 today
JRod - 4 did he touch the ball?

The buck lays at SD’s door for this. That was his team out there and his stubborn defensive mind is taking us sleepwalking in to a relegation spot. This next fortnight is the biggest 2 weeks of Sean’s managerial post in my opinion. If he doesn’t pull a couple of blinders out of the market it won’t be just the fans which are becoming vocal on our current form. Oh well it’s only Liverpool next.....

Pope - 6
Lowton - 5
Mee - 6
Tark - 6
Pieters - 4
Jbg - 4
Westwood - 3
Brownhill - 5
Brady - 6
Barnes - 3
Wood - 3

Mcneil - 5
Vydra - 5
Rodriguez - 4

Pope 6
Lowton 6
Tarkowski 7
Mee 7
Pieters 6
JBG 5
Brownhill 6
Westwood 6
Brady 6
Wood 4
Barnes 5
McNeil 7
Rodriguez 5
Vydra 6
Very few positives - McNeill, organised as always but no more than WHU who did a job on us. Worrying

Pope 6

Lowton 6
Tarkowski 6
Mee 6
Pieters 5

JBG 4
Westwood 6
Brownhill 5
Brady 5

Barnes 4
Wood 4

McNeil 8
Vydra 6
Rodriguez 6

Grumps wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:48 pm

Strange thing... apparently children don't have access to computers for home teaching, yet always seem to find one to post on here (and elsewhere) when we lose

Or just in general eh Grumps

Pope - 7
Pieters - 5
Tarky - 6
Mee - 7
Lowton - 7
Gudmunson - 5
Westwood - 6
Brownhill - 6
Brady - 6
Wood - 4
Barnes - 4

Vydra - 6
McNeil - 8
Rodriguez - 6

MDWat wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:01 pm

Pope 5
Lowton 6
Tarkowski 5
Mee 5
Pieters 4
Brady 5
Westwood 5
Brownhill 5
Gudmundsson 4
Wood 3
Barnes 3

McNeil 8*
Vydra 5

So many poor things stand out from that, I’m afraid. Firstly, it was obvious we picked the wrong team. You cannot keep picking Wood and Barnes with the former especially offering absolutely nothing to any game at the moment.

Particularly worrying for me was the laughing and joking of the players as they left the pitch. What’s all that about? Never seen that before but they looked delighted with the result and the performance.

We offer absolutely nothing going forward and 9 goals in 17 games is relegation material, no doubt about it. Too many mistakes at the back, midfield can’t pick a 5 yard pass and strikers who have no idea in front of goal. We’re in serious trouble, no doubt.

Only just realised there’s an MDWAT and DCWAT

Wondered why opinions were all over the place at times

Pope - 7
Pieters - 6
Tarky - 6
Mee - 6
Lowton - 7
Gudmunson - 6
Westwood - 7 (Would have been an 8 if it was the 2nd half alone)
Brownhill - 6
Brady - 6
Wood - 6
Barnes - 6

Vydra - 6
McNeil - 7
Rodriguez - 6

Pope 7
Pieters 6
Tarkowski 7
Mee 8 (MOM)
Lowton 7
Gudmundsson 5
Westwood 6
Brownhill 7
Brady 6
Wood 5
Barnes 5

McNeil 7
Vydra 6
Rodriguez 6

Pope 6 nowt to do
Lowton 6 few touches up front later but quiet
Tarkowski 6
Mee 6 brave
Pieters 4 left Mee badly exposed
JBG 4 couple of half shots but needs shipping out
Brownhill 5 combative but loose
Westwood 5 lacks a gear and sadly needs an upgrade
Brady 5 poor marking awful end product
Wood 4 poor
Barnes 4 poor

McNeil 7 our best player
Vydra 6 lively
Jay 6 energetic needs game time

While Pope didn’t have a save of note to make neither did their keeper , we were “ok” but desperately need Taylor /Jay/McNeil starting and a decent signing

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:11 pm

Only just realised there’s an MDWAT and DCWAT

Wondered why opinions were all over the place at times

We take it in turns to talk shite

The BBC player stats say it all really

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55598711

Pope 6 - Not very busy but did what was required
Lowton 7 - Put in our best crosses, did everything he could
Tarkowski 6 - Lack of pace didn't help when the game stretched
Mee 7 - Unlucky with the goal and did better than Tarks when the game stretched
Pieters 4 - Can do a job in a defensive team, or to keep the ball with 10 mins to spare. But he cannot play full back anymore, especially when we need to break a team down.
Gudmundson 4 - Way, way off the player he was. Lost a yard and cannot beat his man anymore. I truly hope this comes back with fitness and game time.
Brownhill 5 - Wasnt great today, I think they did well to keep central areas compact, but a Defour type player would have been nice.
Westwood 5 - Same as Brownhill.
Brady 6 - He's too slow to play as a left mid, I like seeing him wide right, coming in and dictating things. Disappointed with set pieces though, agreed, but he's coming back slowly.
Wood 4 - Agreed with the notion it's time to break this partnership up.
Barnes 4 - See Wood
McNeil 6 - Needs to come back next game. Hopefully with Taylor.
Vydra 5 - Weirdly enough didn't help, they we're so deep and we we're trying to get balls in. He had one moment when he tried to develop the ball and did well.
Rodriguez 5 - Low on confidence.

We have to go Wood + Jay Rod or Wood + Vydra next game. Also as suggested before McNeil in for Johann. We didn't look like scoring at all, partly down to good defending, but also our attacking impotence.

Pope 6- Flapped a bit but not asked to do much
Lowton 6- Got some decent balls in
Tarkowski 6 Solid apart from 1 moment
Mee 6 Classic Mee at times but again the mistake
Pieters 5 - The quicker Taylor is back the better Erik cant defend as well and cant get us going forward
Brady 6 - Gets himself about and was trying
Westwood 6- Not creating enough at the moment
Brownhill 6- Tried to get us playing around the box
JBG 5- Not the same player at the moment
Barnes 4- Doesn't look like a prem footballer right now
Wood 4- I don't think he's playing as bad as some people make out, or as bad as Barnes but the ball isnt sticking , hes not winning the headers and we aren't creating enough.

TBF re Wood. If the "ball isn't sticking and he's not winning headers", what else is there??? That's his bread and butter, so yes, every bit as woeful as people are making out.

Pope 7
Lowton 5
Tarkowski 7
Mee 7
Pieters 4
JBG 5
Brownhill 5
Westwood 3
Brady 4
Wood 4
Barnes 3
McNeil 8
Vydra 6
Rodriguez 6

Pope 6
Lowton 6
Pieters 5
Tarks 5
Mee 5
Jbg 3
Brady 6
Westwood 4
Brownhill 4
Wood 3
Barnes 3

Mc neil 7

West ham were the worst team we have played all season but still we could not hurt them and in fact we would struggle a league below at the moment

When is enough enough

Yes the manager said it was a good performance.

Let's hope Pace is not as lenient as garlick

Pope 6 - Did what he had to do.
Lowton 6 - A couple of decent crosses
Tarks 6 - Not sure if he shouted for the goal, apart from that was generally solid
Mee 6 - Should've let Tarks head the cross for the goal clear. Not sure if he got a shout.
Pieters 5 - Poor. Bowen had him all game.
Brady 5 - Woeful set-pieces. Improved a bit 2nd half.
JBG 5 - Non existant.
Westwood 5 - Offered nothing
Brownhill 5 - Same as Westwood
Wood 3 - Totally devoid of confidence. Playing like he's never seen a football before.
Barnes 3 - Contributed sod all. Lost count of the amount of times he lost the ball

McNeil 7 - Did more in 45 mins than the rest of the team did in 90.
Vydra 5 - Meh. Did OK not the magic answer some seem to think
Jay 5 - Tried to link it up, was ok.

Worrying game as West Ham played in 1st gear and handled us no problem. We could be still be playing now and wouldn't have scored. Something needs to change fast, and I don't think it'll be new players as I'm not confident the money is there.

Maybe Pieters had his boots on the wrong feet, cant recall him making a forward pass all game.

Hi can't be bothered going through the thread because it's all boring numbers and opinions of old people but just want to quickly say that Vydra was amazing and should start the next game!

Pope 7
Lowton 7
Mee 6
Tarks 6
Pieters 4
JBG 4
Westwood 6
Brownhill 6
Brady 6
Wood 4
Barnes 5

Vydra 6
McNeil 8 *
J Rod 6

The negligence of the past few transfer windows is coming home to roost. Pedestrian, one dimensional, predictable performance.

We are too easy to play against. Play a high line and negate the front 2 with the exception of set pieces. Press the midfield and they will either go back to the centre half or keeper or they will lose possession and then launch your own attack. Major surgery required on that team. Lowton, Pieters, Brady, JBG, Barnes and I would suggest one of Westwood and Brownhill all need to be upgraded.

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:19 pm

Folk on here keep going on about Wood and Barnes who are off the mark at the moment, but big question marks over Westwood and Brownhill who don't have the legs nor the ability to press

This is absolutely spot on. I think we possibly have the worst CM pairing in the league. The disappointing thing is we don’t have much better on the bench.

For me a CM that can pass and dribble with the ball is an absolute must this window.

I think if Brady can stay fit, him and McNeil will provide enough quality ball from wide. It’s just whether we can pass the ball quick enough to allow them space.