And this isn't just a recent thing.

He's playing pretty well, getting into some good positions, but there is zero end product.

Underhit or overhit crosses and not getting it in quick enough.

Mind you if he did put in a perfect cross would we score?

He's working hard, which is all you can expect from a Dyche player.

Yeah I agree. Can't be dropped though he's pretty much the only player (bar brownhill) that constantly has the view of getting up the pitch without lumping it. It was summed up with our most dangerous phase of play when he received it at the far right of their box where he should have put it in without taking a touch and even when he did put it in to Westwood it was a very poor ball.

Easily our best player today. End product wasn’t quite there but he put some decent balls in.

Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:44 pm

And this isn't just a recent thing.

He's playing pretty well, getting into some good positions, but there is zero end product.

Underhit or overhit crosses and not getting it in quick enough.

Mind you if he did put in a perfect cross would we score?

We did against Sheff Utd

I’m not convinced he’s good enough for this level anymore, even if he has done a bit better in the last 4-5 games.

WazzaClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:48 pm

Yeah I agree. Can't be dropped though he's pretty much the only player (bar brownhill) that constantly has the view of getting up the pitch without lumping it. It was summed up with our most dangerous phase of play when he received it at the far right of their box where he should have put it in without taking a touch and even when he did put it in to Westwood it was a very poor ball.

Yes that is exactly what I mean.

I think he could have even hit it first time as a shot to goal.

Can anyone on here remember the last time this fella actually went past his marker

Steve1956 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:54 pm

Can anyone on here remember the last time this fella actually went past his marker

Today. On a few occasions.

Flatters to deceive. Powder puff at best.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:56 pm

Today. On a few occasions.

Well spotted...i totally missed it....gutted!

Below average performance like the rest of the midfield, McNeil excepted. Frustrating set pieces which are crucial to our success.

I keep waiting to see this quality delivery he has with his left foot. He looks good compared to the rest, not good enough at this level, but we have little alternative

the thing about Brady is sometimes he looks up and has nothing to hit, no movement from the strikers, so he has to cut back inside and wait for an opportunity.

If he’s not injured he’s putting in, at best 5-6 out of 10 performances.

The fact he had a couple of games over 2 years ago where he played well don’t mean he’s good enough for the PL

Brady can not cross or pass a ball. He is a wide player who can’t do the simple wide player things. To be fair to him he isn’t the only player out there today who could not do the simple things.

When we got the free kick I thought 'Here we go, into the Beehole.'

The Beehole wasn't there (of course) so he hit it straight into the wall instead.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:56 pm

Today. On a few occasions.

Can you post a clip of these moments cos I missed them too

Have said before, both he and JBG have no longer got the confidence or pace to take the opposition on down the line - they always switch inside where they just run into other traffic or still cross from behind the strikers

McNeil really showed them up when he came on with numerous runs on the outside crossing balls into the middle that any of our strikers could try and attack whilst actually facing the goal

He's no worse, in fact better, than JBG but the right hand side doesn't suit him and McNeil has to play left to get the best service into the box

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:56 pm

Today. On a few occasions.

If you discount the times he was turning back on himself because he cannot use his right foot, the number will be zero. And his set piece deliveries were poor all game. Corners hit the first man. Free kick hit the wall. And then his spectator role the wrong side of Antonio for their goal. That aside, he was average at best today.

jojomk1 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:51 pm

Can you post a clip of these moments cos I missed them too

Have said before, both he and JBG have no longer got the confidence or pace to take the opposition on down the line - they always switch inside where they just run into other traffic or still cross from behind the strikers

McNeil really showed them up when he came on with numerous runs on the outside crossing balls into the middle that any of our strikers could try and attack whilst actually facing the goal

He's no worse, in fact better, than JBG but the right hand side doesn't suit him and McNeil has to play left to get the best service into the box

I saw him run at his man on a few occasions. One in particular springs to mind where he burst through the middle of the pitch. Not many players try to dribble past their opposition these days, so I don't see how it's really a valid criticism. I thought he was our brightest spark today, other than Dwight who only played the second half. His end product wasn't up to scratch, but I don't see criticism of him taking on his man to be particularly valid given the way that we play and the type of player that he is.

Herts Clarets wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:11 pm

If you discount the times he was turning back on himself because he cannot use his right foot, the number will be zero. And his set piece deliveries were poor all game. Corners hit the first man. Free kick hit the wall. And then his spectator role the wrong side of Antonio for their goal. That aside, he was average at best today.

I'm not sure how you can criticise Brady for Antonio's goal.

Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:44 pm

And this isn't just a recent thing.

He's playing pretty well, getting into some good positions, but there is zero end product.

Underhit or overhit crosses and not getting it in quick enough.

Mind you if he did put in a perfect cross would we score?

Only Wood has scored more goals than him and he's also provided the ball in for at least two other goals, one where he got an assist and one where it was knocked down. I'd say there is anything but zero end product.

The whole team is out of sorts, when it comes to creating and scoring. I don't think picking fault with any individual is right, because the thread could be about anyone outside the backline.
They've shown in the past they have it in them, but to see so many out of sorts/lacking confidence at the same time is worrying.
More than ever we are missing a Joey Barton or SD4.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:16 pm

I'm not sure how you can criticise Brady for Antonio's goal.

Because he is the wrong side of Antonio and basically stops and watches him score. Pieters had tracked Bowden, Mee and Tarks had the middle, Brady should have dropped into the Pietrrs position.

Herts Clarets wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:31 pm

Because he is the wrong side of Antonio and basically stops and watches him score. Pieters had tracked Bowden, Mee and Tarks had the middle, Brady should have dropped into the Pietrrs position.

If you watch just before the cross comes in Tarks even looks round at him and motions with his arm to look after Antonio. Basic rule of defending is get goal side. He failed. That said the biggest fault was Tarks for not shouting to Mee to leave the ball. Probably too busy telling Brady to cover.

Herts Clarets wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:31 pm

Because he is the wrong side of Antonio and basically stops and watches him score. Pieters had tracked Bowden, Mee and Tarks had the middle, Brady should have dropped into the Pietrrs position.

So you think that our left midfielder should have been picking up the only West Ham player who was in a position to pose a threat from the cross? That's Tarkowski's man, and turning around to pass the buck to Brady who was correctly positioned behind Antonio was poor defending. The touch from Mee was unfortunate but Tarkowski was at fault.

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:42 pm

If you watch just before the cross comes in Tarks even looks round at him and motions with his arm to look after Antonio. Basic rule of defending is get goal side. He failed. That said the biggest fault was Tarks for not shouting to Mee to leave the ball. Probably too busy telling Brady to cover.

That's not true. If Brady had got goal side of Antonio, thus leaving three Burnley players stood between Antonio and the ball, then what would have happened if the cross was hung up to the back post beyond all of our players? It's common in those situations to have a defender goal side, and another (in this case Brady) behind. Tarkowski was in no-man's land.

Getting better each week, delighted for him.

I thought he did OK today. His first touch and dead balls let him down a bit, though.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:17 pm

Only Wood has scored more goals than him and he's also provided the ball in for at least two other goals, one where he got an assist and one where it was knocked down. I'd say there is anything but zero end product.

You're a one man breakwater Tony, keeping us safe from the tidal surge.

Aye only Wood has scored more goals than him, being in equal place (2nd) with Jimmy Dunne and about 4 others (no one after that as you can imagine).

As were going for stats rather than the use of 'eyes', I've just seen that his cross accuracy stat is 26%.

Okay not 'zero' but frustratingly not good enough.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:02 pm

That's not true. If Brady had got goal side of Antonio, thus leaving three Burnley players stood between Antonio and the ball, then what would have happened if the cross was hung up to the back post beyond all of our players? It's common in those situations to have a defender goal side, and another (in this case Brady) behind. Tarkowski was in no-man's land.

Robert Brady is an Irish professional footballer who plays as a winger for Premier League club Burnley and the Republic of Ireland national team. He can also play as a left-back......NO HE CAN'T as seen today!

Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:12 pm

As were going for stats rather than the use of 'eyes', I've just seen that his cross accuracy stat is 26%.

Okay not 'zero' but frustratingly not good enough.

Just a tad above Dwight McNeill's cross accuracy for the season which is 23%.

Wokingclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:15 pm

Robert Brady is an Irish professional footballer who plays as a winger for Premier League club Burnley and the Republic of Ireland national team. He can also play as a left-back......NO HE CAN'T as seen today!

Ignoring the fact that Brady wasn't playing at left back, since when is it the left-back's job to get goal side of the only player attacking a cross who is stood between the posts? I would consider between the posts to be fairly central, thus the job of the central defender.

He was covering for the left back, at fault end of.

Wokingclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:23 pm

He was covering for the left back, at fault end of.

Just because you say end of, doesn’t mean it is the end of. I’ve posted my reasoning about why I think Tarkowski was out of position above. Why not counter the points I raised there?

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:17 pm

Just a tad above Dwight McNeill's cross accuracy for the season which is 23%.

You should start a McNeil thread and pop that in it.

Actually if you do the whole team we could keep it all in one thread.

Don't have to, the match video does not lie.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:20 pm

Ignoring the fact that Brady wasn't playing at left back, since when is it the left-back's job to get goal side of the only player attacking a cross who is stood between the posts? I would consider between the posts to be fairly central, thus the job of the central defender.

He was on the cover for Pieters. That was his duty. How many times do you see a full back come across and cover in the middle when central defenders have been pulled away? Taylor does it on countless occasions. They all shift across. As he was covering for Pieters he will do the same. I accept your explanation that Tarks should have been much closer to Antonio but he was technically in the right position to head the ball away until Mee glanced it on. Brady wasn't even touch tight to Antonio. Another rule of defending is that if you can't win the ball you do your best to put off the opposing player. He was nowhere near him.
I'm a Brady fan. I'm not on this thread to bash him. He is one of the most creative players we have got. Many are blinded by his form before he got injured. He gets judged on those high standards unfortunately and unfairly in my opinion.His crossing accuracy stats this season are dreadful though and that is his job as a winger surely? He is out of form...but so are many of the others so I don't subscribe to this bashing at all. It isn't folly though to point out he had a small (but not the major) blame in the goal.

One of our Lesser Lights had a good game Lowton imo. Didnt do to much wrong today.

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:29 pm

He was on the cover for Pieters. That was his duty. How many times do you see a full back come across and cover in the middle when central defenders have been pulled away? Taylor does it on countless occasions. They all shift across. As he was covering for Pieters he will do the same. I accept your explanation that Tarks should have been much closer to Antonio but he was technically in the right position to head the ball away until Mee glanced it on. Brady wasn't even touch tight to Antonio. Another rule of defending is that if you can't win the ball you do your best to put off the opposing player. He was nowhere near him.
I'm a Brady fan. I'm not on this thread to bash him. He is one of the most creative players we have got. Many are blinded by his form before he got injured. He gets judged on those high standards unfortunately and unfairly in my opinion.His crossing accuracy stats this season are dreadful though and that is his job as a winger surely? He is out of form...but so are many of the others so I don't subscribe to this bashing at all. It isn't folly though to point out he had a small (but not the major) blame in the goal.

He's not the best defender, that's a given.
Look at our poor form as a collective team problem rather than single out individuals.
Something is not right at present, highlighted by our goal drought.

Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:28 pm

You should start a McNeil thread and pop that in it.

Actually if you do the whole team we could keep it all in one thread.

I provided McNeill’s statistic as a yardstick. Because on the face of it, a 26% cross accuracy sounds quite decent to me.

Same with Gudmundsson who has been vastly overrated on here, very very average player with no end product.

tim_noone wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:33 pm

One of our Lesser Lights had a good game Lowton imo. Didnt do to much wrong today.

Certainly giving the old Cafu lark at times today.

He’s been a bit brighter lately but the wingers are as culpable for our pathetic goal scoring record as the forwards.
Most of our attacking threat is based on getting crosses in from out wide but the delivery is consistently poor.

It’s not just Brady either.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:34 pm

Same with Gudmundsson who has been vastly overrated on here, very very average player with no end product.

Johann has been a passenger for quite some time now. He's not the player he used to be. Injuries have played an effect. Him and Brady simply aren't up to the standard to start in the Premier League anymore. Too many fans clinging onto performances from a couple of seasons ago.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:36 pm

He’s been a bit brighter lately but the wingers are as culpable for our pathetic goal scoring record as the forwards.
Most of our attacking threat is based on getting crosses in from out wide but the delivery is consistently poor.

It’s not just Brady either.

It's as much as anything about where they cross from.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:34 pm

I provided McNeill’s statistic as a yardstick. Because on the face of it, a 26% cross accuracy sounds quite decent to me.

You really shouldn't be attacking a 21 year old like that. They are all poor at the minute.

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:29 pm

He was on the cover for Pieters. That was his duty. How many times do you see a full back come across and cover in the middle when central defenders have been pulled away? Taylor does it on countless occasions. They all shift across. As he was covering for Pieters he will do the same. I accept your explanation that Tarks should have been much closer to Antonio but he was technically in the right position to head the ball away until Mee glanced it on. Brady wasn't even touch tight to Antonio. Another rule of defending is that if you can't win the ball you do your best to put off the opposing player. He was nowhere near him.
I'm a Brady fan. I'm not on this thread to bash him. He is one of the most creative players we have got. Many are blinded by his form before he got injured. He gets judged on those high standards unfortunately and unfairly in my opinion.His crossing accuracy stats this season are dreadful though and that is his job as a winger surely? He is out of form...but so are many of the others so I don't subscribe to this bashing at all. It isn't folly though to point out he had a small (but not the major) blame in the goal.

Fair enough. We’ll have to agree to disagree. Had there been multiple players attacking the cross then I would happily concede. But everyone knew before the game that Antonio posed West Ham’s major goal threat. He was the only player in a dangerous position in the box and Mee was marking the space between the crosser and Antonio.

Tarkowski should have taken control of the situation and picked Antonio up rather than make a half arsed gesture to Brady, who was always behind Antonio and never in a position to prevent the goal.

Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:12 pm

You're a one man breakwater Tony, keeping us safe from the tidal surge.

Aye only Wood has scored more goals than him, being in equal place (2nd) with Jimmy Dunne and about 4 others (no one after that as you can imagine).

As were going for stats rather than the use of 'eyes', I've just seen that his cross accuracy stat is 26%.

Okay not 'zero' but frustratingly not good enough.

Didn’t impress today but generally has been playing well and making a difference.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:33 pm

He's not the best defender, that's a given.
Look at our poor form as a collective team problem rather than single out individuals.
Something is not right at present, highlighted by our goal drought.

I'm not bashing him as my last post states. Just pointing out he did have a minor hand in the goal. Brady is far from the poorst performer at the moment. I would say he is one of the brightest..but even he is below his regular level at present. We are certainly in a malaise attacking wise.

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:44 pm

I'm not bashing him as my last post states. Just pointing out he did have a minor hand in the goal. Brady is far from the poorst performer at the moment. I would say he is one of the brightest..but even he is below his regular level at present. We are certainly in a malaise attacking wise.

and I certainly wasn't having a go at you or your comment.
I didn't see the game today (may watch it in the week) but I did notice that we had more possession than WHU, which suggests our problems do not lie at the feet of Brady's poor covering