There is no proof of nihilism

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There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Pstotto » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:46 pm

There is no proof that nihilism is of any value at all.
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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by brexit » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:03 pm

if we are made in god's image.
Are we god's selfies?
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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:12 pm

Absurdism is where its at

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by tim_noone » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:25 pm

Pstotto wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:46 pm
There is no proof that nihilism is of any value at all.
Just Have faith....maybe. Frederick Nietzsche

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Billy Balfour » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:28 pm

Someone will be along in a moment to cut & paste Python's Philosophers Song. It's what usually happens on here.

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Dougall » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:33 pm

But can he play in midfield and is he 'Dyche-fit'?

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by BleedingClaret » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:34 pm

Pstotto wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:46 pm
There is no proof that nihilism is of any value at all.
Niall Quinn
Niall Horan
The River Nile

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by tim_noone » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:34 pm

Nothingism isnt a valid word.......I'm disappointed was gonna use in "Words With Enemas"

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:36 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:34 pm
Niall Quinn
Niall Horan
The River Nile
Surely if there is no proof the answer is De Nile
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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Bosscat » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:41 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:25 pm
Just Have faith....maybe. Frederick Nietzsche
Theres nothing Neitzsche
Couldn't teach ya
Bout the raising of the wrist
A lovely little thinker
But a b@gger when he's p#ssed
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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by tim_noone » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:43 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:41 pm
Theres nothing Neitzsche
Couldn't teach ya
Bout the raising of the wrist
A lovely little thinker
But a b@gger when he's p#ssed
I dont know why.....I visualise steve Looking Lìke him...

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by gawthorpe_view » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:44 pm

Meaningless thread, please delete, or leave it up, not bothered either way.
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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by tim_noone » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:45 pm

gawthorpe_view wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:44 pm
Meaningless thread, please delete, or leave it up, not bothered either way.
What does meaningless even mean.... :roll:

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Rowls » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:46 pm

Another real corker of a thread title from Pstotto.

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by tim_noone » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:52 pm

Rowls wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:46 pm
Another real corker of a thread title from Pstotto.
Always thought provoking....Leading me to the Oxford Dictionary :D

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Buxtonclaret » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:52 pm

I'm morally bound to agree.

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Volvoclaret » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:56 pm

Couldn't give a toss either way.

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by AfloatinClaret » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:04 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:41 pm
Theres nothing Neitzsche
Couldn't teach ya
Bout the raising of the wrist
A lovely little thinker
But a b@gger when he's p#ssed
bibo ergo sum

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Bosscat » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:16 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:04 pm
bibo ergo sum
Rene descartes
Was a drunken Fart
I drink therefore I am

https://youtu.be/l9SqQNgDrgg

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Bosscat » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:18 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:28 pm
Someone will be along in a moment to cut & paste Python's Philosophers Song. It's what usually happens on here.
Who would do that 🤔

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by The Enclosure » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:24 pm

I never knew this. ;)

Nihilism and existentialism are basically polar opposite philosophies. While nihilists are skeptical of everything, even their own existence, existentialists are interested in more closely examining existence, especially human existence.

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by AfloatinClaret » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:35 pm

"God is dead" (Frederick Neitzsche, May 1882)

'Frederick Neitzsche is dead' (God, August 1900)
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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by timshorts » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:45 pm

It's one of the best tracks on the " let's go" album.
Along with "sidekick" and "International cover-up.

I had a dream I was a vigilantes sidekick....

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Pstotto » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:32 pm

Fish don't moralize about the ocean. but no ocean no fish.

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by tim_noone » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:39 pm

Pstotto wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:32 pm
Fish don't moralize about the ocean. but no ocean no fish.
No trawlers...no seagulls

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Pstotto » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:25 pm

Mmmm Not really...

It doesn't work.

Plenty of seagulls where no trawlers are.
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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Claretmisterg » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:39 pm

Pstotto wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:46 pm
There is no proof that nihilism is of any value at all.
Is there any proof that there is no proof of this ?
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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by jackmiggins » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:17 am

You’d have to ask a nihilist for their thoughts....good luck with that.

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Pstotto » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:01 am

Cats and dogs is proof of no proof.

Even alley cats lick their paws.
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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Pstotto » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:00 pm

"That cat' s tail is unreal."

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Bosscat » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:07 pm

Pstotto wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:00 pm
"That cat' s tail is unreal."
Then its a Manx Cat

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Pstotto » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:38 pm

You should know better than to take others' words for gospel, here's the truth about Pawky:
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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Bosscat » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:42 pm

Pstotto wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:38 pm
You should know better than to take others' words for gospel, here's the truth about Pawky:

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Pstotto » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:46 pm

That's porkies, that is.

Pawky is the real.

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Pstotto » Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:37 pm

Nor am I fooled by Pawky's camouflage markings.

I'm not an alien from Mars.

When looking at the picture there, I don't go (in Martian): "No I can't see a cat, there's some snow covered buildings and a green sky."

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Spiral » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:49 pm

The Enclosure wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:24 pm
I never knew this. ;)

Nihilism and existentialism are basically polar opposite philosophies. While nihilists are skeptical of everything, even their own existence, existentialists are interested in more closely examining existence, especially human existence.
They aren't so much polar opposites as parallel philosophies which eventually diverge. I think existentialists are actually nihilists who have developed a rather effective coping mechanism in dealing with nihilism. A nihilist might argue that such a coping mechanism (giving meaning to things simply because we can) is a psychological phenomenon and not self-evidently meaningful in an objective sense - a phenomenon which is itself the product of a system of emergent complexity which fundamentally is predicated on biology, which is itself predicated on chemistry, which is itself predicated on physics; and they might argue that when reduced to these terms, it can be shown that the physical underpinnings of the mind are fundamentally without meaning, even if higher up the ladder in that complex system the mind can conceive of meaning. A nihilist wouldn't argue that people are incapable of experiencing subjective meaning in something, but that no objective meaning exists outside of the mind. Who's right? The existentialist, who recognises a capacity to confer meaning on things, the process of which is entirely dependent upon human consciousness, or the nihilist, who argues for the meaninglessness of the edifice upon which consciousness is constructed? Do existentialists just stop short of taking nihilism to its conclusion? Do they fear its logical conclusion and pick an arbitrary point to press pause on all this nonsense?

I think the point is, this is why alcohol exists. Let's be honest, the IPA thread is far more useful than this one. What's the point in reductionism if you become convinced that getting sloshed is a waste of time? Where's the fun in all that?

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Pstotto » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:53 am

In other words, 'I'll have a nice cup of tea and a biscuit.'

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Pstotto » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:47 am

Even Hannibal Lecter probably enjoyed having a beer, sitting in a deckchair getting some sun.

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Pstotto » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:50 am

Adolf Hitler had pet dogs and so did Stalin.

Meaninglessness is all in the mind, Spiral and nowhere else?

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Spiral » Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:26 pm

Maybe it is and maybe it is not, but I tend to think that the utility in this kind of naval gazing is to be found not in metaphysical system building and the search for a reductionist 'truth' which may not possibly be attainable by nature (because we might be asking nonsensical questions, which suggests our problem is language, not methodology, or where or to what we direct our focus), but rather the utility in this kind of thinking is to be found in the ways in which asking such questions acts as a whet stone to sharpen the methodology of thought — the tools of the mind — which can be applied to making our life better. Maybe the utility in nihilism is not its final statement on the nature of the universe but rather its stone-cold sobriety, and thus its capacity for disabusing other philosophies of any superfluous romanticism?

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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by morpheus2 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:05 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:52 pm
Always thought provoking....Leading me to the Oxford Dictionary :D
Pstotto's ruminational confabulations offtimes direct oneself towards the venerable lexicon of synonyms and antonyms.
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Re: There is no proof of nihilism

Post by Pstotto » Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:16 pm

Your collective insanity is also still subject to a collective agreement of democracy.

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