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James Tarkowski

Post by nyclaret » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:19 am

How do we persuade him to stay?

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Hibsclaret » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:20 am

Change the club name to Manchester United
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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:24 am

We don't quite simply.

We've made an offer I assume, whilst he's mulling it over and his agent is looking for a better offer elsewhere, we should be busy looking for his replacement.

No point getting caught with our pants down hoping he stays only for him to go at the last min.
If he's refusing to sign this summer, get him sold for a decent price.

If we don't have a list of potential replacements then someone needs potting
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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:33 am

Sadly I can't see him staying, even with the new owners. He only has a few years left to realise playing Champions League football and pushing for trophies ( I don't think he'll go to West Ham).
You have to appreciate the way he has given his all for the team and manager during this season. Many, many players would have taken their foot off the gas, knowing they were leaving anyway.
Whoever gets him will be one lucky club.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Roger Mellie » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:40 am

I wonder whether the new owners will change the wage structure to give a chance of persuading him to stay. But as mentioned, if it’s Europe and England he’s after, there’ll be a few takers. He’s certainly not daft enough to go to West Ham..

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Redbeard » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:41 am

Nor Liverpool, now... :)
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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by ClaretEngineer » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:46 am

I think JT has more integrity than to stay for the money, we aren’t suddenly going to be challenging for trophies in cups or the league title.

Like all good players and employees they strive to be the best, and for him realise his ambitions he needs to move.

He goes with my best wishes. We should be fortunate we even get to have players like JT (and Charlie Taylor etc).
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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:02 am

I would imagine his career path is more concerned about England caps than CL and he is not convinced he can show what a good footballer he is in our system.
If he makes the next England squad that could change.
He would clearly make more money elsewhere and whilst they are all very wealthy young men that does, sadly, seem to be the clincher.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:10 am

He'll be a bargain for someone this summer with his contract situation.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:14 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:10 am
He'll be a bargain for someone this summer with his contract situation.

Just as he was for us

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:23 am

Football moves on.

West Ham and Leicester have solved their CH problems it seems, and with hardly any money about. There might just not be a move out there for him at the minute.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by jollyjack » Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:24 am

Just to clarify, if JT goes on a free, does that mean Brentford get nothing?

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by beddie » Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:45 pm

To think not long ago figures of £35m plus were being mentioned if we sold him, the thought of him going on a free is concerning for a small club like ours, not a lot we can do though if he won't sign a new deal, which unfortunately I don't think he will.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Spijed » Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:58 pm

Why is JT likely to go for nothing?

He's contracted until the end of next season so what's the problem with selling him this summer?

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by beddie » Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:31 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:58 pm
Why is JT likely to go for nothing?

He's contracted until the end of next season so what's the problem with selling him this summer?
Nothing wrong with selling him in the summer, my concern was that if he isn't sold in that period and won't sign a new deal we could end up letting him go on a free after his current deal expires.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by MT03ALG » Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:58 pm

Tarko is on top form at the moment and appears to be happy at Burnley where the team spirit is first class. I think he will give his all for the Clarets for this season before seeking a move or wage increase at the end of the season. I just hope that no club realises that Tarko and Mee are the perfect defensive combination.....

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by nyclaret » Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:04 pm

Who do you think we could be looking at to replace him? I think we should think outside of the box and go for Nat Phillips from Liverpool.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by IanMcL » Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:06 pm

There is no better place than Burnley, for Tarkowski to demonstrate his ability to defend, work with teammates and go forward and pass effectively.

The difficulty lies with the England manager, who prefers juveniles with potential (which often disappears) rather than men who have mastered their trade.
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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by NewClaret » Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:26 pm

There's no way JT leaves in summer. We'd get a paltry fee and it simply wouldn't be worth it. If you remember that JT plays a significant role in keeping £130m flowing through the BFC coffers, a club would have to pay a lot of money to make it worthwhile selling, after you discount the sell-on clause and whatever loyalty bonus Tarks would get. Plus, JT would want to see his contract out and get a huge signing on fee elsewhere.

We either need to accept that, or treat JT as a new player and give him a huge re-signing fee, which presumably we could recover if he's sold in future.

Whether a deal could be worked through that works for all parties, I don't know, but I'd say that is more important than any January signings.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:17 pm

JT wants to get a big pay rise and you can't blame him for that as it gives him financial security
Despite it being against the rules, it would not be surprising for his agent to have already sounded out clubs last summer in terms of as to how much they were willing to pay him
Add to that he wants to get back in the England squad and alluded to that in the recent press interview where he suggested playing for a lower club doesn't help. We know that not to be true given the caps he, Heaton, Cork and Pope have got whilst at BFC
And, let's be honest, it's everyone's dream (even our own) to play for a "big club", in front of big crowds, in Europe and winning cups and league titles
Most of the above cannot be offered at BFC
I had doubts about his commitment at the start of the season but he is now back to playing pretty much at his best and is clearly giving his all for the cause
This summer would be the time to let him go
If he carries on playing as well as the present his value will remain high and we still cash in - forget how much Brentford get, we still make a profit
I'm not so sure he would give us so much if we refused any offers that he desired next summer

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:27 pm

Once a player gets into their final 12 months its only human that their mind will start to wander and they've got half an eye on their next move.
We need to get what we can for him this summer and make sure we replace him properly. I'm sure Dyche already has a few options in mind.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by AfloatinClaret » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:03 am

beddie wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:45 pm
To think not long ago figures of £35m plus were being mentioned if we sold him, the thought of him going on a free is concerning for a small club like ours, not a lot we can do though if he won't sign a new deal, which unfortunately I don't think he will.
Conversely, the loss of that revenue - given the alleged Brentford cut and other sale costs - of circa £10-12M/year is perhaps not a bad investment if it's made a significant contribution to our staying two years longer in the EPL.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by NewClaret » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:15 am

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:03 am
Conversely, the loss of that revenue - given the alleged Brentford cut and other sale costs - of circa £10-12M/year is perhaps not a bad investment if it's made a significant contribution to our staying two years longer in the EPL.
This.

Sell for £35m, get £25m (spread over many years and likely linked to all sorts out of our control). Don’t sell, protect £260m over the next two years, given he’s a key player in retaining PL status. Absolute no brainer in my opinion.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by alboclaret » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:22 am

What is the problem people have with him going to West ham?.
Genuine question.

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Post by Roosterbooster » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:29 am

alboclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:22 am
What is the problem people have with him going to West ham?.
Genuine question.
I dont think he'd realise his potential there. And there is always a chance the wheels come off there and he makes one of our direct rivals much stronger in the next couple of years

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by nyclaret » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:33 am

alboclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:22 am
What is the problem people have with him going to West ham?.
Genuine question.
West Ham fans don’t want him anymore apparently! I read that they’re quite content with Craig Dawson...

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:28 am

He's been fantastic for us (still is) but there comes a point when we owe any player the opportunity to better himself, always assuming that he gets a genuinely better offer

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:40 am

alboclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:22 am
What is the problem people have with him going to West ham?.
Genuine question.
They're generally a basket case club, but also they're not really much of a step up.

Leicester would be for example.
Maybe even Wolves.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by warksclaret » Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:02 am

West Ham and Leicester are now well covered in central defenders. Leicester will have a challenge when Soyuncu, Evans Forfar, Pereira, Justin, Castiglione,Fuchs are all fit as to who and how they play. WHU got Dawson as cover and is now featuring

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Bigvince » Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:15 am

Southgate doesn’t have a problem selecting players from West Ham, a move there could open up more England opportunities.

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Post by bfcjg » Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:25 am

If United came for him who could blame him for wanting to go there to win things. Great player but we can replace anybody.

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Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:33 am

He’ll leave unfortunately, but while we still have Ben Mee then I’m sure he’ll be able to nurture his replacement.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:37 am

If he can get a move this summer, I wouldn't stand in his way. It's a short career and he quite understandably wants to challenge himself now to achieve the very most he can in the game. He can't do that playing for us. I'm still not sure what went on last summer with the toe situation, but I'd say overall he's been an outstanding servant to the club and has more than re-payed the £3m(?) or so we spent on him.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Grumps » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:01 pm

alboclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:22 am
What is the problem people have with him going to West ham?.
Genuine question.
Because he said he wanted to play champions league football, and for England.... Does West ham improve his odds on doing that?

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by AfloatinClaret » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:50 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:15 am
This.

Sell for £35m, get £25m (spread over many years and likely linked to all sorts out of our control). Don’t sell, protect £260m over the next two years, given he’s a key player in retaining PL status. Absolute no brainer in my opinion.
Perhaps a 'no brainer' from our/the club's point of view, but there are two parties to the contract and if JT's not happy to remain, a disgruntled player can potentially do more harm than good.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Top Claret » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:56 pm

Tarkowski as been a rock as always this season, he has shown an exceptional attitude and will go with my blessing when the time comes for him to leave

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:39 pm

Burnley FC < Manchester United

Burnley FC < Liverpool

Burnley FC < Leicester

Burnley FC < Wolves

Burnley FC < Everton

Burnley FC < Southampton

Burnley FC < Tottenham

Burnley FC < Arsenal

Burnley FC > James Tarkowski

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:41 pm

No matter how much we'd like to be a top team, we are what we are, a team punching above our weight.

We don't have the money, or the fanbase, to become a top 10 Club. Accept that and move on.

Tarks, like all players, wants to be playing at the highest level that he can. No one can't begrudge him that.

Then, add agents into the mix :shock: :o :(

He will have my full support for as long as he wears our colours. Onwards and upwards :D

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by chekhov » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:22 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:40 am
they're not really much of a step up.
Me thinks you think Burnley are a much bigger club than than you think.
I think...

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Post by NewClaret » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:28 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:50 pm
Perhaps a 'no brainer' from our/the club's point of view, but there are two parties to the contract and if JT's not happy to remain, a disgruntled player can potentially do more harm than good.
Doesn’t seem too disgruntled to me at the moment.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:34 pm

I think Tarkowski will be very unlucky. I just can’t see many teams going in for him. If he put in performances like he has for Burnley for teams like palace or West Ham he would be touted around all the top clubs.

But unfortunately for him I think our playing style will stop any top team coming in for him.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:37 pm

chekhov wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:22 pm
Me thinks you think Burnley are a much bigger club than than you think.
I think...
Not at all, I just don't believe the hype about West Ham that's all.

I don't recall them ever doing much of note tbh.
Hardly a regular at winning trophies or finishing top 6.

Leicester would be a clear step up, like we were from Brentford.

West Ham would be a step up in wages....

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:39 pm

As some have alluded to, £20 million in the summer vs staying in the Premier League 2 more seasons. It may come down to that.

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Post by Tall Paul » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:42 pm

Grumps wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:01 pm
Because he said he wanted to play champions league football, and for England.... Does West ham improve his odds on doing that?
Yes.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:43 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:42 pm
Yes.
England yes, CL football no.
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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by Tall Paul » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:45 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:43 pm
England yes, CL football no.
Wrong. West Ham are between 20 and 40/1 to finish in the top 4, we're 1000/1.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:52 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:45 pm
Wrong. West Ham are between 20 and 40/1 to finish in the top 4, we're 1000/1.
We will see where they are at the end of the season then.

Highest PL finish was 5th, that was 21 yrs ago.
They've managed 7th a couple of times but it's generally 8th or lower.

Leicester would be a better move, West Ham not so much based on their history.

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Post by Tall Paul » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:55 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:52 pm
We will see where they are at the end of the season then.

Highest PL finish was 5th, that was 21 yrs ago.
They've managed 7th a couple of times but it's generally 8th or lower.

Leicester would be a better move, West Ham not so much based on their history.
We will, but it's a fact that they're more likely to finish in the CL places than we are. It's highly unlikely that they will of course.

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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:57 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:55 pm
We will, but it's a fact that they're more likely to finish in the CL places than we are. It's highly unlikely that they will of course.
So if we both agree it's likely they won't, what's the disagreement about?

They'd boost his England chances, but that's it.
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Re: James Tarkowski

Post by FCBurnley » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:57 pm

Tarks and Mee could play together at Burnley for at least another 5 seasons. With Pope they are the bedrock of our team. So why not make them financially happy and then build the team round them. We already have quality players in Taylor Brownhill an McNeil. So that’s over half the team. We have 4 strikers who are normally good enough and decent midfielders when fit. So we are not far off having a very good team. Maybe a top quality rb and midfielder would do the trick. So not a massive investment required with a bit of income from a few sales.

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