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Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:23 pm

Anyone else desperate to see more of him?

For the few mins he has had in the first team he looks so raw and exciting, pace, strength and energy.

I’d love to see how he is for a full half with a full strength team around him.

Delighted with all the younger players stepping up this year.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:32 pm

Yep, was hoping to see him after we made it 2-0 today.

Does look raw but also strong and like his pace could cause prem defences problems. I’d like to see him given a go in the PL.
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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by beddie » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:39 pm

First time I've seen him, from those few minutes I formed the opinion that he'll be a strong and clever player, I've no idea of course but I hope I'm right.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by superdimitri » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:50 pm

Its surprising that he's even getting a chance, there's been more promising players come through our youth system in the past who look a lot better.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by bfcmik » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:52 pm

I think he is some way off a PL start. Behind 4 established strikers for a start, needs to up his game too, but the management team obviously see some potential in him right now.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by tim_noone » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:02 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:50 pm
Its surprising that he's even getting a chance, there's been more promising players come through our youth system in the past who look a lot better.
:D

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Peter Loo » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:03 pm

I agree he does look very promising to me and I look forward to seeing how he progresses in the future with us.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:20 pm

bfcmik wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:52 pm
I think he is some way off a PL start. Behind 4 established strikers for a start, needs to up his game too, but the management team obviously see some potential in him right now.
Agree he’s way off a start but I’d love to see him being 10 minutes against tiring defenders (when we need a goal).

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by HunterST_BFC » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:43 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:32 pm
Yep, was hoping to see him after we made it 2-0 today.

Does look raw but also strong and like his pace could cause prem defences problems. I’d like to see him given a go in the PL.
Agree with the first bit or at least could have been given the last 10 mins + added.

Re PL - A bench place for now - he's got pace and seems strong, certainly an option.

Barnes replacement in time??? Maybe???

Re others - Dunne and Benson I'd not fear playing either if needed.

Some of our squad are getting old and time naturally takes it's tole.

We are not going to sign £xM pound players are we? Always dipping lower...

Today was the "best 2nd team" we have ever played with alongside the strongest bench (bar Pope, Mee, Brady).

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:51 pm

I don't get the promising comments. He is 22.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Peter Loo » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:03 am

Different players can mature at different ages.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by dsr » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:09 am

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:51 pm
I don't get the promising comments. He is 22.
I don't think Jamie Vardy of Stocksbridge Park Steels was the finished article at 22.
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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by gandhisflipflop » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:21 am

dsr wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:09 am
I don't think Jamie Vardy of Stocksbridge Park Steels was the finished article at 22.
Fair point. There are obvious exceptions however most players at 22 are usually in and around the first team by now on a regular basis. Let’s hope he is the obvious exemption but I’m not building my hopes up. The likelihood is he ends up in league one or two.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:23 am

He reminds me of Ray Pointer.
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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:56 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:23 am
He reminds me of Ray Pointer.
Spec Savers?
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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by KRBFC » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:04 am

Definitely exciting, makes a change from the usual predictable slow stiff but effective pairing. Not sure we can afford to really change up too much in the league, way too much to risk, safer bet is the proven and dependable duo of Wood and Barnes.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Rowls » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:07 am

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:51 pm
I don't get the promising comments. He is 22.
He's only been at Burnley a little over a year and admitted it was a giant step up for him when he started playing at our youth level compared to where we signed him from. He's young and is progressing.

As others have said - people mature at different times. The likes of David Eyres, Ian Wright, Charlie Austin, Jamie Vardy etc didn't make their league debuts as teenagers either and all took time to progress.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:26 am

6 months in league one would do him the world of good then we can look at him next season imho
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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by bfcjg » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:57 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:26 am
6 months in league one would do him the world of good then we can look at him next season imho
Totally agree, lian spells seem to build character as well as getting game time.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:51 am

Really difficult one with Mumbongo. He’s 22 and has barely played a professional game. But there is clearly something there, it is kind of a make or break season for him.

Possibly Vydra leaves this window and he steps in as fourth choice.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Dark Cloud » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:59 am

Didn't we get him from Man City where he was released? If so he clearly has something about him which initially brought him to their attention, but obviously that's a very big pond and a difficult one to make an impression in. Ben Mee will testify to that!

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Burnley1989 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:03 am

I think you’re asking a bit too much to be honest

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:25 am

Dark Cloud wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:59 am
Didn't we get him from Man City where he was released? If so he clearly has something about him which initially brought him to their attention, but obviously that's a very big pond and a difficult one to make an impression in. Ben Mee will testify to that!
Pretty sure he was signed from the swedish second division wasn’t he?

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Dark Cloud » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:27 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:25 am
Pretty sure he was signed from the swedish second division wasn’t he?
You may well be right as that rings a bell. I think I'm getting mixed up.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:57 am

Dark Cloud wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:27 am
You may well be right as that rings a bell. I think I'm getting mixed up.
Are you thinking of Ogunby, who we released in the summer ?

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by NewClaret » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:52 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:51 am
Really difficult one with Mumbongo. He’s 22 and has barely played a professional game. But there is clearly something there, it is kind of a make or break season for him.

Possibly Vydra leaves this window and he steps in as fourth choice.
I hope Vydra doesn't leave without a replacement. Vydra's performance last night epitomised the situation - offers something different, pace, lively, hard working, but not so clinical in front of goal. I still think we perhaps need to be playing him above one of Wood and Barnes at the moment though.

I don't think we really want Mumbongo as fourth choice, but he should be used in certain games/situations where the "battering ram" approach of Barnes/Wood hasn't worked - use a combination of JRod, Vydra and Mumbongo in the final part of the game to get a goal when defenders are tiring.

Wouldn't object to seeing him come on in right wing with Jay and Vydra up front, when we really need a goal.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:33 pm

Kevin Phillips is another one who springs to mind.
He did not sign professional for Watford until he was 21 and then was out injured for almost a season in 1996.
In July 1997 he went to Sunderland, who had just been relegated and they won promotion in 1998/99. He played his first PL game, at the age of 26, in 1999/2000 and went on to score 30 PL goals that season.
In his 263 PL appearances he scored 92 goals and had 24 assists before he went to WBA in the Championship, aged 33.

You never can tell how some players will develop, however, you can hope!

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:50 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:23 am
He reminds me of Ray Pointer.
I know what you mean, it's that very blonde hair. ;)
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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Bosscat » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:01 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:23 am
He reminds me of Ray Pointer.
Spot the difference
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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:03 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:25 am
Pretty sure he was signed from the swedish second division wasn’t he?
We signed Mumbongo from Hellas Verona in Italy.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:03 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:23 am
He reminds me of Ray Pointer.
You have a vivid imagination

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:05 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:32 pm
Yep, was hoping to see him after we made it 2-0 today.

Does look raw but also strong and like his pace could cause prem defences problems. I’d like to see him given a go in the PL.
In fairness he’s generally not had too much success in causing U23 defenders problems.
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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Aclaret » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:07 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:01 pm
Spot the difference
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Yep, those fantastic hopped socks.....bring them back !
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Post by Herts Clarets » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:08 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:01 pm
Spot the difference
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It's only through spotting Tommy Cummings in the background on one of the photos that I managed to identify which was Ray and which is Joel.....

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by jojomk1 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:26 pm

Norwich last year

2-0 up, against 9 men and still Dyche wouldn't give any of the young kids that day even 5 mins

He must be highly rated to have got on the pitch at all :o

I know he has been on the grass before, and the two guys playing up front did well so maybe next time he will get more mins

First impressions very good though
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Post by COBBLE » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:27 pm

The biggest difference is the colour of the pitch.

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:27 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:26 pm
Norwich last year

2-0 up, against 9 men and still Dyche wouldn't give any of the young kids that day even 5 mins

He must be highly rated to have got on the pitch at all :o

I know he has been on the grass before, and the two guys playing up front did well so maybe next time he will get more mins

First impressions very good though

Still managed to get a whinge in at Dyche, good work
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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Bosscat » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:34 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:08 pm
It's only through spotting Tommy Cummings in the background on one of the photos that I managed to identify which was Ray and which is Joel.....
Uncanny isn't it 🤭

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by dandeclaret » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:37 pm

Ray Pointer has skied that..... whereas Joel is smashing through the ball.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by jojomk1 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:45 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:27 pm
Still managed to get a whinge in at Dyche, good work
It wasn't that hard to do

Dyche doesn't do youth even when given the opportunity like at Norwich that day

Now, had Crouchy been on the bench :o

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Dark Cloud » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:49 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:57 am
Are you thinking of Ogunby, who we released in the summer ?
Yes, I think that's where I've got confused. (A near permanent state these days according to my Mrs!!)

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:06 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:45 pm
It wasn't that hard to do

Dyche doesn't do youth even when given the opportunity like at Norwich that day

Now, had Crouchy been on the bench :o

Yup, those 2 wins in the last few days must have really bugged you.

Still we will lose one soon enough to bring you joy

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Leisure » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:37 pm

Good luck to the lad but I must say that from seeing him quite a few times in the U23's I was more than surprised to see him anywhere near the 1st team. Certainly didn't see enough from him to think that he would/could make that step up but hope that I'm proved wrong.
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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:04 pm

Leisure wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:37 pm
Good luck to the lad but I must say that from seeing him quite a few times in the U23's I was more than surprised to see him anywhere near the 1st team. Certainly didn't see enough from him to think that he would/could make that step up but hope that I'm proved wrong.
Couldn't agree more. He's not impressed in any u23 game I've seen (although I've not seen any this season) and suddenly because of a few minutes against MK he's being touted as a fourth choice striker. He's clearly stepped things up this season but let's not get carried away.
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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Jakubs Tash » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:09 pm

What would be best for Mumbongo now would a loan with a lower league club where he plays most weeks. He needs some experience at a decent level - not thrown in at Premier League level.

Funny that Benson has had some heat from a few posters on here regarding his ability yet when he has played for the 23s he has stood out as one of the best players on the pitch in most matches. Whereas Mumbongo has rarely stood out when turning out for the 23s.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:12 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:09 pm
What would be best for Mumbongo now would a loan with a lower league club where he plays most weeks. He needs some experience at a decent level - not thrown in at Premier League level.

Funny that Benson has had some heat from a few posters on here regarding his ability yet when he has played for the 23s he has stood out as one of the best players on the pitch in most matches. Whereas Mumbongo has rarely stood out when turning out for the 23s.
And Benson has benefited so much from playing at Grimsby to the point where U23 football is probably not much use to him now.

This Mumbongo thing is like the over excitement we had a few years ago with Massanka and Agyei. In fairness, Agyei looked far too good for u23 football in the end but he's struggled to make much of an impact at Oxford.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Jakubs Tash » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:14 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:12 pm
And Benson has benefited so much from playing at Grimsby to the point where U23 football is probably not much use to him now.
Yes... Loans are what is required this week for a number of our youngsters if the opportunities arise.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Kitch1966 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:23 pm

On the topic of Mumbongo, I seem to remember plenty on this board clambering for Dan Agyei to be included in the 1st team starting 11 a couple or so seasons back and look where he is now. He is not pulling any trees up in League 1 but was touted as being a good prospect.
I hope young Mumbongo goes on to prove me wrong but at 22 years of age I very much doubt it. It is immensely difficult for youth players to break through into a Premier League squad on a regular basis ( McNeil being an exception).
Get Mumbongo out on loan and get a proper look at him in the Championship or League 1 for the rest of the season.

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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by dandeclaret » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:26 pm

Sometimes the penny just drops. Players can be put into that first team environment, and it’s a bit of a shock to the system, and they just learn. Think Chaplow, Kyle Lafferty on loan to Darlington, Jay in Scotland. Sometimes the transformation is huge from the sometimes non competitive nature of the U23 league doesn’t really stretch them enough.
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Re: Young Clarets Mumbongo

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:41 pm

The one thing I did notice when Mumbongo came on was how supportive Dyche was. I heard him on two or three occasions shouting instructions at him and then applauding him.

I think this might be someone Dyche sees an option but he would have to produce a lot in training to be considered.

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