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Re: Vydra

Post by warksclaret » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:58 am

Outstanding yesterday but wonder how many chances he he needs in order to score in the PL. Suspect since he started to feature more after May, he has had a dozen chances plus but yet to score. You cant criticise his energy and positions he takes up

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Re: Vydra

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:55 am

Goodclaret wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:08 am
I DO get it, cheers. I get that Vydra creates chances. I get that Vydra played very, very well yesterday. I get that Vydra offers something different to the other strikers.

On the flip side I get that Wood has scored double figures for us for the last 3 PL seasons. I get why Dyche sees Wood as our best, most clinical striker. I get why Dyche will pick Wood if he is available based on my first two points.

The one thing I do get is that none of my posts on the subject of Vydra are writing him off. I don't just say Wood should play and Vydra should rot. I have already said I like all 4 of our strikers. Vydra offers us something and I want him to stay at the club as a rotating striker. I just don't get fans who don't think Wood is any good when his record for scoring is totally the opposite.

Anyway, I will leave it there for now and I hope Vydra has as good a game during the week as he did yesterday. If he becomes more clinical in front of goal, along with his other attributes then he will begin to build his case of being picked ahead of Wood.

I hope that explains my views in a balanced way Gordaleman. Enjoy your Sunday.
That's a fair enough explanation of your position, but I would make this last point. Vydra gets criticism for missing chances on the rare occasion he gets to play. (I'm sure he'd be sharper if he got a run like Wood, but he doesn't.) Yet Wood must have missed a dozen 'sitters' this season, yet continues to play, even though his hold up play is poor. How often is the ball played up to him, and he instantly loses it?

Anyway, maybe the Bournemouth game will give us an indication of what Sean thinks? Me, I'd play Vyds again and let him increase his sharpness ahead of the Palace game on Saturday. (Obviously, the injury situation will play a part.) After all, he can't be tired, with the limited game time he's had.

C'mon you Clarets.
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Re: Vydra

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:07 pm

No need to compare Wood to Vydra. Wood is easily our best goal scorer and starts when fit, the question is more around who should partner him.

Against the big clubs like Liverpool, Chelsea etc where we need to feed off scraps Barnes should get the nod. Against the mid table and bottom sides it should be between Vydra and Jay with whoever is in form and training well getting the nod

Off course if Wood is completely out of sorts we should rest him and play a two of the other three and if Barnes is on fire against the better teams he should keep his place alongside Wood against some of the weaker teams

This would rotate our players nicely and allow us to adapt our approach and style of play depending on the opposition
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Re: Vydra

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:12 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:58 am
Outstanding yesterday but wonder how many chances he he needs in order to score in the PL. Suspect since he started to feature more after May, he has had a dozen chances plus but yet to score. You cant criticise his energy and positions he takes up
Like a number of our strikers, he's trying too hard. He needs to stop overthinking stuff and just put his laces through the ball more.

Is there a role for him to play behind the likes of Barnes and Wood? His through ball to JBG yesterday was perfect and just begged a goal to be scored from it.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Elizabeth » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:41 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:12 pm
Like a number of our strikers, he's trying too hard. He needs to stop overthinking stuff and just put his laces through the ball more.

Is there a role for him to play behind the likes of Barnes and Wood? His through ball to JBG yesterday was perfect and just begged a goal to be scored from it.
Perfect, and his strength, close control , and ability to make space for himself that led to his through ball was one of the highlights of the match.
Playing him deeper behind the strikers though takes away his ability to get behind defenders which we need to make more chances

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Re: Vydra

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:43 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:12 pm
Like a number of our strikers, he's trying too hard. He needs to stop overthinking stuff and just put his laces through the ball more.

Is there a role for him to play behind the likes of Barnes and Wood? His through ball to JBG yesterday was perfect and just begged a goal to be scored from it.
To be fair, yesterday's chance wasn't a sitter. He was stretching and the goalkeeper did well to close him down and stay on his feet.

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Re: Vydra

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:54 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:43 pm
To be fair, yesterday's chance wasn't a sitter. He was stretching and the goalkeeper did well to close him down and stay on his feet.
It certainly wasn't a sitter but the through ball was a peach and just what our strikers need.

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Re: Vydra

Post by jurek » Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:46 pm

Can't recall now but has Vydra ever started/partnered with Wood?

Could possibly be a good combination in terms of number and type of chances we create.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:41 pm

I’m amazed he gets away with wearing gloves.

Since the arrival of SD, I don’t recall another player wearing gloves in a game.

Edit: protection from smart arses mentioning keepers.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:48 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:41 pm
Edit: protection from smart arses mentioning keepers.
Spoilsport

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Re: Vydra

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:05 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:48 pm
Spoilsport
I had you in mind.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:08 pm

Rent free as well

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Re: Vydra

Post by MACCA » Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:44 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:41 pm
I’m amazed he gets away with wearing gloves.

Since the arrival of SD, I don’t recall another player wearing gloves in a game.

Edit: protection from smart arses mentioning keepers.
Lennon and Stanislaus are the 2 that spring to mind that also have worn them previously.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Grimsdale » Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:10 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:41 pm
I’m amazed he gets away with wearing gloves.

Since the arrival of SD, I don’t recall another player wearing gloves in a game.
How could you forget this:

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Re: Vydra

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:31 am

Grimsdale wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:10 am
How could you forget this:

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Good point, but in fairness he could of worn a dress.
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Re: Vydra

Post by NewClaret » Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:00 am

RalphCoatesComb wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:54 pm
It certainly wasn't a sitter but the through ball was a peach and just what our strikers need.
That through ball was a delight. Just shows what we can do when we attack as a unit and get players up the pitch.

From what I recall, Vydra should have let it come on to his left and sneak it in the near post or hit it quick and hard with his right. Did neither, unfortunately. Just need to toe bung those, doesn't matter how they go in.
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Re: Vydra

Post by houseboy » Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:04 am

BabylonClaret wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:54 pm
Played well today. Some good tou hes and runs b if Wood had been offside as many times he'd get peltees on here.

Its a shame he is no real goal threat but creates space for othees
I think the goals will come. He has to be a goal threat at some point given enough game time because you don’t finish top scorer in the Championship if you don’t carry that threat. If the lad had had the game time that Barnes has had I think we would be looking at a top player. Incidentally Barnes looked so much better today playing alongside him. Maybe Vydra is the key to unlocking our goal drought in one way or another.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Mala591 » Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:23 am

Imagine if we have bought Vydra in the recent January transfer window. Dyche would have been hailed as a transfer genius.

‘Intelligent movement and great control’
‘A perfect foil for Barnes or Wood’
‘Enables us to play creative and entertaining football’

etc etc

Just a thought...

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Re: Vydra

Post by Garnerssoap » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:51 pm

He might score on Saturday. Exciting times.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Prefeot » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:35 pm

Garnerssoap wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:51 pm
He might score on Saturday. Exciting times.
Well I guess in the law of averages if you persist with him giving him chance after chance eventually he will score

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Re: Vydra

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:44 pm

I feel a bit for Vydra, he does give his all. His running in behind is intelligent and he always looks to be positive. But unfortunately an awful lot doesn’t come off, he’s a nearly man. His movement and anticipation to get into genuine goal scoring positions is also pretty poor which is why I feel he doesn’t get on the scoresheet.

He’s deserving of the game time he’s getting at the moment but I suspect that those claiming that he’ll be prolific given a run in the time will be proven wrong.

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Re: Vydra

Post by Steve1956 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:49 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:31 am
Good point, but in fairness he could of worn a dress.
Great post mate
Fantastic footballer....cant believe he actually played for us

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