Dyche and Subs

[Rileybobs]

Gets a lot of criticism for his substitutions - both the timing and personnel. But tonight it's fair to say he called it spot on. We had to change at half time as Villa looked certain to add a second goal after the break if not, which in all likelihood would have killed the game. Cork improved us massively, his ball retention was great, he battled hard and he got us up the pitch. It seemed like the players really trusted him to hold possession which led to Pieters et all committing to the attack and freeing up space for McNeill.

Vydra was then brought on with plenty of time to affect the game, which he certainly did. Jay's 45 yard shot(?) was the final straw but it was a positive move by Dyche.

A good day at the office for Dyche and I hope he takes some confidence in the fact that he was able to affect the game positively by using the bench.

[DomBFC1882]

Completely agree and so refreshing to see him use subs earlier where they get chance to get into the game. Cork and Vydra superb examples of that

[thelaughingclaret]

Cork and Vydra were superb. They both changed the game. Cork was the difference we have missed in midfield. Hopefully Dyche has seen that making subs before the 87th minute can work and can win a a game.

[Vegas Claret]

I'm 100% not saying he wouldn't have brought Cork on at half-time but I do think that Brownhill wasn't fit, then got his injury to his foot and didn't look anywhere near his level. Guess we'll find out in the interviews after

[Dark Cloud]

I actually think he's starting to improve on this as for a long time it was his Achilles heel tbh.

[Vino blanco]

Watching the Everton Leicester game, commentator and Savage talking about the Burnley game and how good Burnley and Dyche do what they do best!

[Bosscat]

Wonder what our chairmans thinking this evening .

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlanPaceBFC

[bobinho]

Sometimes, and absolutely certainly in our case, the right substitution happens only because it’s forced. Some of the best changes in our fortunes have happened this way.

Whether that’s what happened tonite or not I don’t know, but I DO believe our manager has been waiting for the opportunity to get Cork back on the pitch, and I’m delighted he’s back as I think we have missed him massively.

[Rileybobs]

I'm 100% not saying he wouldn't have brought Cork on at half-time but I do think that Brownhill wasn't fit, then got his injury to his foot and didn't look anywhere near his level. Guess we'll find out in the interviews after

I think it was a convenient opportunity for Dyche in honesty, I think he's really careful to look after the confidence of our players. But I think he would have made it regardless. It was the obvious change for me as both Brownhill and Westwood hadn't looked their usual selves - and Brownhill conceded possession 3 times in dangerous areas in the first half alone - all which led to a dangerous Villa attack.

Cork was maybe at fault for not tracking Grealish for their second, I'd have to see it again, but he used the ball far better when he came on.

[Vegas Claret]

I think it was a convenient opportunity for Dyche in honesty, I think he's really careful to look after the confidence of our players. But I think he would have made it regardless. It was the obvious change for me as both Brownhill and Westwood hadn't looked their usual selves - and Brownhill conceded possession 3 times in dangerous areas in the first half alone - all which led to a dangerous Villa attack.

Cork was maybe at fault for not tracking Grealish for their second, I'd have to see it again, but he used the ball far better when he came on.

100% agree, I just don't think Brownhill looked remotely close to his levels and I'm putting it down to fitness. Either way, Cork's shirt to lose now, he made a huge difference

[jrgbfc]

I think Cork showed tonight why he has to play if fit. He keeps the ball moving and links the play far better than Brownhill does.

[Vegas Claret]

Dyche said Cork came on because Brownhill was injured, hopefully it's just a knock

[ksrclaret]

Jack Cork was excellent when he came on. What a calm, composed, and classy second half performance that was from him.

Vydra was also very good when he came on.

[NewClaret]

Guess we'll find out in the interviews after

Duchess confirmed Brownhill was injured.

[NewClaret]

Dyche said Cork came on because Brownhill was injured, hopefully it's just a knock

Sorry, should read the whole thread before replying

[Woodleyclaret]

Spot on re subs but why play an unfit Brownhill at the start

[NewClaret]

Cork improved us massively, his ball retention was great, he battled hard and he got us up the pitch. It seemed like the players really trusted him to hold possession which led to Pieters et all committing to the attack and freeing up space for McNeill.

A coincidence we’ve scored three in the last two games? I think not.

[Rileybobs]

Call me cynical but I suspect that change would have been made regardless. He may well not be in the squad at weekend in which case I'm wrong.

[Gordaleman]

Gets a lot of criticism for his substitutions - both the timing and personnel. But tonight it's fair to say he called it spot on. We had to change at half time as Villa looked certain to add a second goal after the break if not, which in all likelihood would have killed the game. Cork improved us massively, his ball retention was great, he battled hard and he got us up the pitch. It seemed like the players really trusted him to hold possession which led to Pieters et all committing to the attack and freeing up space for McNeill.

Vydra was then brought on with plenty of time to affect the game, which he certainly did. Jay's 45 yard shot(?) was the final straw but it was a positive move by Dyche.

A good day at the office for Dyche and I hope he takes some confidence in the fact that he was able to affect the game positively by using the bench.

In his post match interview, he said he brought Cork on because Brownhill was injured, so it wasn't a tactical change. Vyds and Gudders should have been on from the start.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Been saying it all season. We play much better football with cork on the pitch, his positioning and passing is such high quality. The team literally shifted 15 yards further up pitch just because of his inclusion. He is levels above Brownhill.

[Jakubs Tash]

As much as he might have had “a good day at the office” in regards his substitutions today, I would argue he got his initial team selection wrong which is why we were so heavily dominated in the first half. There are certain games where it’s a bad idea to play a 442 with two out and out wingers and two out and out strikers - today was one of them (and coincidentally Chelsea and Man City tend to be the others).

[Rileybobs]

As much as he might have had “a good day at the office” in regards his substitutions today, I would argue he got his initial team selection wrong which is why we were so heavily dominated in the first half. There are certain games where it’s a bad idea to play a 442 with two out and out wingers and two out and out strikers - today was one of them (and coincidentally Chelsea and Man City tend to be the others).

Possibly, however we played 4-4-2 for the entire match, and won. The difference between the two halves was in part personnel, and part attitude and risk.

[Ashingtonclaret46]

As much as he might have had “a good day at the office” in regards his substitutions today, I would argue he got his initial team selection wrong which is why we were so heavily dominated in the first half. There are certain games where it’s a bad idea to play a 442 with two out and out wingers and two out and out strikers - today was one of them (and coincidentally Chelsea and Man City tend to be the others).

We just had a change of luck with them not putting chances away and Barkley hitting the bar. Then Dwight scoring with a cross which eluded every one to give us the equaliser. It is the one thing that has been lacking, however, I know that you don't believe in luck in football so perhaps it was just the fact that we didn't deserve to win and Villa were unlucky --oops no ---can't say unlucky ---just not good enough.
Dyche must live a very charmed life as a manager when hhis players aren't good enough but still manage to win games against the media darlings.

[Jakubs Tash]

We just had a change of luck with them not putting chances away and Barkley hitting the bar. Then Dwight scoring with a cross which eluded every one to give us the equaliser. It is the one thing that has been lacking, however, I know that you don't believe in luck in football so perhaps it was just the fact that we didn't deserve to win and Villa were unlucky --oops no ---can't say unlucky ---just not good enough.
Dyche must live a very charmed life as a manager when hhis players aren't good enough but still manage to win games against the media darlings.

I don’t believe in luck in football? I think you are getting me mixed up with another poster?

[Jakubs Tash]

Possibly, however we played 4-4-2 for the entire match, and won. The difference between the two halves was in part personnel, and part attitude and risk.

Yeah, good point. I would agree that we changed our attitude and approach in the second half (I’m loathed to say we put more effort in because I never think we lack effort). I just thought tonight was a game for Cork and Brownhill out wide nullifying the threat of Grealish.

[Quickenthetempo]

I might have only caught the edited version of Dyche's after match interview, where he was rightly giving praise to Chris Wood about him battling for the corner and scoring.
Hopefully he gave the same praise to Vydra in the other part of the interview?

[Ashingtonclaret46]

I don’t believe in luck in football? I think you are getting me mixed up with another poster?

Please accept my apology, you are probably correct that it is mistaken identity. Sorry, senility is setting in or it may just be the wine after celebrating the win!

[dsr]

Cork and Vydra were superb. They both changed the game. Cork was the difference we have missed in midfield. Hopefully Dyche has seen that making subs before the 87th minute can work and can win a a game.

And the same at Liverpool last week. I don't think he made any subs at all then. Perhaps Barnes could have been taken off with half an hour to go?

Or perhaps sometimes not making subs can work as well.

[MT03ALG]

Vydra deserves at least 30 minutes in any game. He poses different problems with his pace and movement.

[Goodclaret]

The thing is with making (or not) substitutions is that sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. The amount of generalisation from our fans saying Dyches subs aren't good enough is a strange concept when, again, you look at his overall success. The way we say "he should have taken X off for Y" is like it was guaranteed to change a particular game. As dsr points out, no subs against Liverpool so no one came out criticising his lack of subs. Last night Cork and Vyds clearly improved our performance so SD then gets criticised for not selecting the correct starting line up!

Who'd be a manager eh?