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a short newspaper cutting, just handed to me. It's a few days old. The Daily Mail is certainly not my paper of choice though!
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Decent analysis, and some pertinent points in there. Affordability stuff is probably not right, as he's averaged spend over the year, but my understanding is that in any month that you deposit £100, then you will have to have an affordability check. I think it's very intrusive, and I doubt I would provide those details myself. I'd just go and bet on a foreign site where there's no controls.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:56 pmsome research for the discussion
https://twitter.com/TomWitherow/status/ ... 3480089610
Whilst affordability is, in theory a decent idea, it's flawed if you're assessed to be able to spend £200 per month on gambling, but you do that assessment at Hills, Corals, Ladbrokes, Paddy Power, Betfair, Fred Done etc - and then go into different shops and spend way more than these checks are supposed to protect you.
This is a big step in my opinion in the control of a population. What next? Checking your bank statements to see how many alcoholic drinks you may have bought before they decide if you can have medical assistance or not?
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They may well be. Why?
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I think so, yes.
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There’s a difference between gambling and advertising gambling for significant sums of money. We’ll no doubt see how strictly opposed they are in the not too distant.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:23 pmIsn't the Mormon faith strictly opposed to gambling?
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I truly believe we will see a big change at the Turf, but little can be said while commercial contracts remain in place - advertisers cannot be belittled by the companies they pay to advertise them.
Gambling is OK for some, but ruinous for many. Targeting kids who are known to follow club Twitter accounts (especially with all this nonsense recently like “JBG pics please Wadmin” which is bound to attract kids) - dispicable, its the lowest of the low. Many people just won’t “get it”, but to be frank, they are the ones who need throwing out of the club, fast.
Plenty of money can be made ethically. If not, we may as well all give up now.
Gambling is OK for some, but ruinous for many. Targeting kids who are known to follow club Twitter accounts (especially with all this nonsense recently like “JBG pics please Wadmin” which is bound to attract kids) - dispicable, its the lowest of the low. Many people just won’t “get it”, but to be frank, they are the ones who need throwing out of the club, fast.
Plenty of money can be made ethically. If not, we may as well all give up now.
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they don't drink alcohol either but I don't think they will refuse to have an advertizement/sponsor deal See the other thread from Tony on the sketchers and Budweiser adverts
I have zero idea what “JBG pics please Wadmin” means or even why it would attract kinds either, I don;t have twitter and from many of the links posted on numerous threads I am not interest in getting it either.
I have zero idea what “JBG pics please Wadmin” means or even why it would attract kinds either, I don;t have twitter and from many of the links posted on numerous threads I am not interest in getting it either.
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That equation is the wrong way round. 60% of the adult population placed a bet last year. 0.5% of that group exhibited problem gambling behaviour, whilst 2.5% showed signed off harm. 97.5% therefore bet without showing any risks. All data from the UK gambling commission annual report.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:22 amI truly believe we will see a big change at the Turf, but little can be said while commercial contracts remain in place - advertisers cannot be belittled by the companies they pay to advertise them.
Gambling is OK for some, but ruinous for many. Targeting kids who are known to follow club Twitter accounts (especially with all this nonsense recently like “JBG pics please Wadmin” which is bound to attract kids) - dispicable, its the lowest of the low. Many people just won’t “get it”, but to be frank, they are the ones who need throwing out of the club, fast.
Plenty of money can be made ethically. If not, we may as well all give up now.
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Have spent 90 minutes this morning digesting the whole report. And.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:56 pmsome research for the discussion
https://twitter.com/TomWitherow/status/ ... 3480089610
They’ve made a huge mistake. They have discounted any withdrawals made. They’ve only taken in deposits. That is not spend. They’ve also looked at stakes..... that is also not spend. If you walk into. A bookmakers with £20, bet it, get £18 back, then stake £18 and get £16 back, then stake £16 and get £20 back.... how much have you spent?
A) £0
B) £20
C) £54
According to the study the answer is either B or C...... but never A. Introduces a ridiculous amount of bias into the whole study, and makes it mainly unusable.
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If I went into Betfred and placed a £90 bet, then left the shop and went a few yards down the road and entered Ladbrokes and did the same then did this in 4 more betting shops, arrived home and placed a £45 bet on paddy power and the same on skybet how many checks would occur.dandeclaret wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:31 amHave spent 90 minutes this morning digesting the whole report. And.
They’ve made a huge mistake. They have discounted any withdrawals made. They’ve only taken in deposits. That is not spend. They’ve also looked at stakes..... that is also not spend. If you walk into. A bookmakers with £20, bet it, get £18 back, then stake £18 and get £16 back, then stake £16 and get £20 back.... how much have you spent?
A) £0
B) £20
C) £54
According to the study the answer is either B or C...... but never A. Introduces a ridiculous amount of bias into the whole study, and makes it mainly unusable.
If I wanted to place of a bet of £100 and someone asked me can you afford it, I would probably tell them to **** off
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In your example, there would be zero checks. There’s uncertainty of whether there is any suitable mechanic to check for affordability in shops either way.
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Actually I believe they are fundamentally opposed to it
Overview
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is opposed to gambling, including lotteries sponsored by governments. Church leaders have encouraged Church members to join with others in opposing the legalization and government sponsorship of any form of gambling.
Gambling is motivated by a desire to get something for nothing. This desire is spiritually destructive. It leads participants away from the Savior’s teachings of love and service and toward the selfishness of the adversary. It undermines the virtues of work and thrift and the desire to give honest effort in all we do.
Those who participate in gambling soon discover the deception in the idea that they can give little or nothing and receive something of value in return. They find that they give up large amounts of money, their own honor, and the respect of family members and friends. Deceived and addicted, they often gamble with funds they should use for other purposes, such as meeting the basic needs of their families. Gamblers sometimes become so enslaved and so desperate to pay gambling debts that they turn to stealing, giving up their own good name.
Perhaps they will find other forms of sponsorship.
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dandeclaret wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:12 amThat equation is the wrong way round. 60% of the adult population placed a bet last year. 0.5% of that group exhibited problem gambling behaviour, whilst 2.5% showed signed off harm. 97.5% therefore bet without showing any risks. All data from the UK gambling commission annual report.
It’s only a small sample but I found the following interesting...
18/25 percent of those listed (72% of the gambler’s sample) want ads banning! I find that a huge figure and would love to ask them why!
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dandeclaret wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:31 amHave spent 90 minutes this morning digesting the whole report. And.
They’ve made a huge mistake. They have discounted any withdrawals made. They’ve only taken in deposits. That is not spend. They’ve also looked at stakes..... that is also not spend. If you walk into. A bookmakers with £20, bet it, get £18 back, then stake £18 and get £16 back, then stake £16 and get £20 back.... how much have you spent?
A) £0
B) £20
C) £54
According to the study the answer is either B or C...... but never A. Introduces a ridiculous amount of bias into the whole study, and makes it mainly unusable.
Disappointing if such big errors are made. Guess it’s just like the industry itself. People continually falling through the net; being offered incentives to continue gambling; often resulting in extreme problems or even suicide. See Gambling with Lives.
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Apologies but I’m not reading 5 pages. Have Dafabet stepped in again? I saw a piece, on twitter, from the club and it had Dafabet all over it.
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Why.... because people responding to the poll have a strong interest in it. The contextual data is missing. Is this 72% of the 1 / 10 / 100% of the population who have an opinion? To try and contextualise this, marginally more people voted on whether a couple should split the £800 their new born got from their friends and families between him and his sister, who didn't get the money, because times are tighter now that she is born, on the same twitter poster.
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Well in that regard, all statistics can be twisted. This to me suggests that many people who gamble think there’s an issue with adverts.
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UK Gambling Commission reporting says 60% of adults in the UK placed a bet last year. Martin Lewis poll suggests 25% of people placed a bet last year. Where's your confidence level in the data given that huge disparity?
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I noticed when looking through the Twitter replies, that there is a change.org petition to separate what they call skilled betting from casino style betting.
“This petition is in reference to the current review into the Gambling Act and the suggestion by some campaigners that restrictive affordability limits are introduced to betting accounts held by recreational sports bettors.
The reason for our concern is what we would define as skilled betting on sports should not be treated in the same way as unskilled gambling on online casinos, slots or bingo.
Many of us spend many hours studying sports markets and would equate what we do to someone investing in the stock market.
You do not have to face invasive affordability checks with this investing and we believe the prospect of having to send bookmakers bank statements and wage slips is a huge breach of privacy, a significant data risk and a gross infringement of liberty.
As well as this, we would argue that this is a sledgehammer to crack a nut solution, as evidence shows online slots and casino games have comparatively higher rates of problem gambling than, for example, horse betting.
Introducing affordability checks for sports betting will simply drive punters to unregulated markets and hit the treasury revenues at a time the Country can least afford it.
We are therefore asking you to represent these views and urge you as part of your review of the Gambling Act to decouple sports and events betting from that in online casinos and reject intrusive affordability checks.
The Smart Betting Club”
“This petition is in reference to the current review into the Gambling Act and the suggestion by some campaigners that restrictive affordability limits are introduced to betting accounts held by recreational sports bettors.
The reason for our concern is what we would define as skilled betting on sports should not be treated in the same way as unskilled gambling on online casinos, slots or bingo.
Many of us spend many hours studying sports markets and would equate what we do to someone investing in the stock market.
You do not have to face invasive affordability checks with this investing and we believe the prospect of having to send bookmakers bank statements and wage slips is a huge breach of privacy, a significant data risk and a gross infringement of liberty.
As well as this, we would argue that this is a sledgehammer to crack a nut solution, as evidence shows online slots and casino games have comparatively higher rates of problem gambling than, for example, horse betting.
Introducing affordability checks for sports betting will simply drive punters to unregulated markets and hit the treasury revenues at a time the Country can least afford it.
We are therefore asking you to represent these views and urge you as part of your review of the Gambling Act to decouple sports and events betting from that in online casinos and reject intrusive affordability checks.
The Smart Betting Club”
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I've got to say that 2.5% seems like a very high number. I was expecting fractions of a percent.dandeclaret wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:12 amThat equation is the wrong way round. 60% of the adult population placed a bet last year. 0.5% of that group exhibited problem gambling behaviour, whilst 2.5% showed signed off harm. 97.5% therefore bet without showing any risks. All data from the UK gambling commission annual report.
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It's behaviours Aggi, so those customer who partake in play that may be normal, but when combined with other behaviours may be harmful. EG, if you play on a gambling site overnight, it's a potential marker of harm...... but not necessarily if you're a person who works nights and therefore chose to play on your break, or when you wind down after a shift for example. But it creates an alert for the behaviour of that person to be monitored. 0.5% of people who play suffer from the effects of gambling harm.
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I'm sure I recall a couple of years ago the government announcing that, in an attempt to tackle online gambling addiction, new measures would be put in place with restrictions on pre-match, post-match and half-time betting ads ...eg Harry Kane to score next 7/1 etc..... or did I dream that? If they did, I see absolutely no evidence of any change. In fact, to me there seem to be even more betting ads. Anyone else have a recollection of that?DCWat wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:39 amA lot of the arguments that I read about betting companies advertising on football shirts seem to focus much more on everything but the shirt advertisement.
Would there be the same level of criticism if it wasn’t for the promotional tweets, hard sell in the stadium, in game adverts etc?
As I’ve said before, it’s not the short sponsorship that I see as the issue, it’s the countless advertisements ahead of and during games, the electronic billboards and offers presented across various platforms.
Remove that from the game and I believe that the impact would be far greater and ultimately reduce the number of companies looking to advertise on shirts.
Change has to happen somewhere and the moral high ground would be a lovely position to take - as long as it doesn’t put Burnley at a disadvantage to others, financially.
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That was a voluntary code of conduct thing from the industry and part of the reason why Ladbrokes removed their sponsorship of the Cricket Field stand (they paid the rest of the contract to push the Children with Cancer charity - it is their official charitythe_magic_rat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:29 pmI'm sure I recall a couple of years ago the government announcing that, in an attempt to tackle online gambling addiction, new measures would be put in place with restrictions on pre-match, post-match and half-time betting ads ...eg Harry Kane to score next 7/1 etc..... or did I dream that? If they did, I see absolutely no evidence of any change. In fact, to me there seem to be even more betting ads. Anyone else have a recollection of that?
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Yes, I won’t disagree with those figures. I’ll put my “ruinous for many” comment in context:dandeclaret wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:12 amThat equation is the wrong way round. 60% of the adult population placed a bet last year. 0.5% of that group exhibited problem gambling behaviour, whilst 2.5% showed signed off harm. 97.5% therefore bet without showing any risks. All data from the UK gambling commission annual report.
Your 60% of the (approx) 50m adult population is 30m people betting last year, so if we are worried about 2.5% of those that is 750,000 people. That’s what I mean by “many”. It’s a volume that would swamp our NHS mental health trusts (though most don’t seek help) and it excludes kids who are the ones I worry about (along with young adults) when I talk about the club retweeting people asking for a warmup pic of JBG, and then also tweet gambling ads (the trouble with Twitter of course is we cannot be selective, we follow an account in full or we do not).
I work a lot with mental health organisations and know how the slippery slope works.
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I go to mental health calls everyday at work, and I would say a common denominator in a LOT of these calls is some form of drug/drink addiction, with the most prevalent being drink.
I’m not a fan of gambling ads, and I don’t gamble myself, but out of the two, and if I had to pick, then I would much rather we ban or limit the advertisement of alcohol.
This is not to say gambling doesn’t ruin lives and damage families, but in 14 years of being a copper, I can probably count on 1 hand those people who have stated gambling as a factor in their mental health crisis.
And it’s not just calls for people struggling with their mental health where alcohol is a factor. There’s domestics, punch ups between lads on a night out, road traffic collisions, drunk drivers.. There isn’t a day goes by that I don’t deal with someone drunk, who has committed an offence in part, or solely, because they are in drink.
I commend Jdrobbo’s passion for this, but from my viewpoint, and I’m certainly not saying I have a complete view, I don’t see gambling as this huge problem, compared to alcohol.
I’m not a fan of gambling ads, and I don’t gamble myself, but out of the two, and if I had to pick, then I would much rather we ban or limit the advertisement of alcohol.
This is not to say gambling doesn’t ruin lives and damage families, but in 14 years of being a copper, I can probably count on 1 hand those people who have stated gambling as a factor in their mental health crisis.
And it’s not just calls for people struggling with their mental health where alcohol is a factor. There’s domestics, punch ups between lads on a night out, road traffic collisions, drunk drivers.. There isn’t a day goes by that I don’t deal with someone drunk, who has committed an offence in part, or solely, because they are in drink.
I commend Jdrobbo’s passion for this, but from my viewpoint, and I’m certainly not saying I have a complete view, I don’t see gambling as this huge problem, compared to alcohol.
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Why don’t we see if Linda McCartney wants to sponsor us?
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Interesting article on BBC. What was Bentley’s response to your messages about this, JD?
https://bbc.in/3pU1DQJ
https://bbc.in/3pU1DQJ
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Dare I say it just watching England v France rugby and England only have O2 on the sleeve......no main shirt sponsor..................as it should be, looks a proper England shirt.
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It’s a commemorative kit to celebrate 150yrs since their first game against ScotlandJimmymaccer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:59 pmDare I say it just watching England v France rugby and England only have O2 on the sleeve......no main shirt sponsor..................as it should be, looks a proper England shirt.
It’s only being worn for this game
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Ah right cheers W........ still looks better tho (tho throw it in the bin after that performance)......
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a significant interview on gambling addiction on the Price of football podcast today
https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cH ... IBRAF&ep=6
500 gambling related suicides every year in this country - deeply shocking
https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cH ... IBRAF&ep=6
500 gambling related suicides every year in this country - deeply shocking
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Yep, appalling....and that’s just the suicides. Now let’s think about all those people who go close to the edge snd then after that, consider those who severely struggle with their mental health (without necessarily thinking of harming) and then think of those who just generally struggle with their well-being....as a result of gambling addiction....
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I was talking to WPBSA this week and he told me that they are preparing for a ban on betting sponsorship.
They announced a deal with Cazoo to sponsor one the big events earlier in the month and have others lined up.
They announced a deal with Cazoo to sponsor one the big events earlier in the month and have others lined up.
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looks like there are regulations coming in blocking gambling adverts on clubs social media feeds coming in next month, which has been a hot topic in this thread, a welcome move imho
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... -post.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... -post.html
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Funny how fans, booze and betting are the 3 things which everyday folk do, not the chosen elite.
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A small step in the right direction, but needs to go much further.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:31 amlooks like there are regulations coming in blocking gambling adverts on clubs social media feeds coming in next month, which has been a hot topic in this thread, a welcome move imho
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... -post.html
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It is a step in the right direction. Our club’s use of social media to promote gambling has been appalling at times.JohnMcGreal wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:40 pmA small step in the right direction, but needs to go much further.
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It certainly has. I just hope this is the first step on the road to a wholesale ban of gambling advertising in football. No shirt sponsorship, no ground or hoarding sponsorship, no TV adverts during games. Get shut.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:55 pmIt is a step in the right direction. Our club’s use of social media to promote gambling has been appalling at times.
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Meanwhile in the USA sports betting has recently been legalized again and you can't watch a game or listen to the radio any more without it bombarded at you. Funny how things change.
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will lovebet still be on the shirts? I noticed they’re not an any advertising boards etc now
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They haven’t appeared on the electric boards since the Fulham game.
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Well you have spent £54, that's for sure. However, 'spent' is not really what affects a person. In fact, keeping on betting and 'winning' most back, is probably a joy to said punter, who can have repeated fun at what he/she likes doing.dandeclaret wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:31 amHave spent 90 minutes this morning digesting the whole report. And.
They’ve made a huge mistake. They have discounted any withdrawals made. They’ve only taken in deposits. That is not spend. They’ve also looked at stakes..... that is also not spend. If you walk into. A bookmakers with £20, bet it, get £18 back, then stake £18 and get £16 back, then stake £16 and get £20 back.... how much have you spent?
A) £0
B) £20
C) £54
According to the study the answer is either B or C...... but never A. Introduces a ridiculous amount of bias into the whole study, and makes it mainly unusable.
The issue really, is from your initial risk, how do you stand?
Can you actually afford any losses?
What would you have done with your stake, if not placing bet(s)?
The likelihood is that a punter has already decided that they can lose an amount for 'fun'. Whether they could is a different question!
If not betting, then something else.
The issue then is addiction. If not getting, it will be a different addiction.
The thread rask of Government is to overcome addiction, by provision of interceptors, before too much damage can be done. Help then 'imposed.
Tough on the individual though.
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You never had £54 ever in that scenario. The most you had was £20. You surely can’t spend £54 if you never had that amount or secured credit to spend it?
Are you going to ask the government to check every spend o. Leisure activities? If you want to go to a Burnley game, are the government going to check you can afford it, or whether there’d be something better for you to spend it on?
Are you going to ask the government to check every spend o. Leisure activities? If you want to go to a Burnley game, are the government going to check you can afford it, or whether there’d be something better for you to spend it on?