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[joey13]

Ok, explain the ‘obvious clear facts’ for my benefit.

Any references to companies house, financial documents involved in the purchase or essentially anything other than journo hearsay will be appreciated.

Facts are deleted on this messageboard so really not much point , try doing some research before belittling other posters

[Chester Perry]

Facts are deleted on this messageboard so really not much point , try doing some research before belittling other posters

there are legal facts that are in the public domain and "facts" that some assume to be true and cannot be proven to be legally, that means they are open to liability claims - we must stick to the former

[joey13]

there are legal facts that are in the public domain and "facts" that some assume to be true and cannot be proven to be legally, that means they are open to liability claims - we must stick to the former

Legal facts are deleted on this messageboard

[GodIsADeeJay81]

That's why I said structure of the club along with Fergie leaving

[Chester Perry]

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I suspect that may have something to do with what was posted around it if it was a legal fact

[Chester Perry]

That's why I said structure of the club along with Fergie leaving

It is an ongoing issue of concern with our takeover, I suspect it needs to be addressed if they are going to make a success of it

[DCWat]

Facts are deleted on this messageboard so really not much point , try doing some research before belittling other posters

I’ve not seen the facts that you are referring to.

It’s sounding a little “if you don’t know, I’m not going to tell you”.

Assuming the facts are just that, can you post them for the benefit of those of us that haven’t seen them?

[KRBFC]

Yup and they've managed that through growing the revenue streams and the club has still been able to splurge on players and win trophies.

What's your point?

They bought using non of their own money, they're American and are absolutely squeezing the lemon dry with no concern for the future of the club.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

They bought using non of their own money, they're American and are absolutely squeezing the lemon dry with no concern for the future of the club.

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Revenue has grown year on year, until Covid understandably

Youth academy is still top notch.

They're still spending big money on players when asked.

They're not afraid to get rid of managers if needed.

They're very competitive this year, much to my own shock nevermind anyone else's because I honestly thought OGS didn't have it in him.

Apart from that, you're right, they don't care about the future of their cash cow.

[KRBFC]

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Revenue has grown year on year, until Covid understandably

Youth academy is still top notch.

They're still spending big money on players when asked.

They're not afraid to get rid of managers if needed.

They're very competitive this year, much to my own shock nevermind anyone else's because I honestly thought OGS didn't have it in him.

Apart from that, you're right, they don't care about the future of their cash cow.

They're plunging the club into debt of £700M+, while pocketing over £1BN.... while the team on the pitch has gone backwards.

[Darthlaw]

Facts are deleted on this messageboard so really not much point , try doing some research before belittling other posters

The irony of telling Sid that he can’t understand clear facts and me to do some research, whilst in the same breath to stop belittling posters, is quite delicious.

That said, as DCWat has now said, feel free to post links to the facts you’re referring to.

That is unless they don’t exist, of course.

[Darthlaw]

They're plunging the club into debt of £700M+, while pocketing over £1BN.... while the team on the pitch has gone backwards.

In fairness, given the money they’ve given to successive managers to spunk on crap players, you’d be hard pressed to lay the blame of Man U going backwards at the Glazers.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

They're plunging the club into debt of £700M+, while pocketing over £1BN.... while the team on the pitch has gone backwards.

Fergie retired.
Moyes wasn't up to the job.
Van Gaal the same.
Jose at least won some silverware.
OGS is making progress slowly.

They have failed to find themselves a decent director of football, which has been a big problem.

[KRBFC]

Fergie retired.
Moyes wasn't up to the job.
Van Gaal the same.
Jose at least won some silverware.
OGS is making progress slowly.

They have failed to find themselves a decent director of football, which has been a big problem.

The owners are in charge, the blame lies at their door.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The owners are in charge, the blame lies at their door.

Now that's an interesting comment tbh.

Under the tenure of our previous owners numerous people on here credited the success we had to Dyche and Dyche alone.
They refused to credit the owners.

Now you're here saying its all down to the owners for failures, so when they were winning numerous trophies with Fergie there and under Jose who gets the credit for that?
If OGS happened to win the league this year who gets the credit?
The owners or the manager?

[KRBFC]

Now that's an interesting comment tbh.

Under the tenure of our previous owners numerous people on here credited the success we had to Dyche and Dyche alone.
They refused to credit the owners.

Now you're here saying its all down to the owners for failures, so when they were winning numerous trophies with Fergie there and under Jose who gets the credit for that?
If OGS happened to win the league this year who gets the credit?
The owners or the manager?

It's entirely dependent on if the owner is handcuffing the manager, it doesn't mean the manager can't be successful under constraints from the owner but then the manager would be receiving the majority of credit and quite rightly. People have to be quite stupid to give MG zero credit for the Dyche era years though given he hired the man. Although MG handcuffed Dyche immediately and slowly tightened them as years went on and revenue grew.

[Chester Perry]

The owners are in charge, the blame lies at their door.

They won a lot under Fergie including a Champions League and another 2 finals - is that down to the owners or Fergie and David Gill, bearing in mind it was only when the purse strings were relaxed post refinancing that the Champs League finals happened

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It's entirely dependent on if the owner is handcuffing the manager, it doesn't mean the manager can't be successful under constraints from the owner but then the manager would be receiving the majority of credit and quite rightly. People have to be quite stupid to give MG zero credit for the Dyche era years though given he hired the man. Although MG handcuffed Dyche immediately and slowly tightened them as years went on and revenue grew.

Or revenue growth comes mainly from TV income.
Matchday rarely moves that much.
Commercial has done some growing but the owners still backed Dyche in successive windows.
Our wage bill is about 85% or our income.

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[KRBFC]

Or revenue growth comes mainly from TV income.
Matchday rarely moves that much.
Commercial has done some growing but the owners still backed Dyche in successive windows.
Our wage bill is about 85% or our income.

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Backed Dyche when?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Backed Dyche when?

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-burn ... erein/1132

Here's a list of all of our transfers.
Every single one in or out, with the exception of Drinkwater, was sanctioned by Dyche and he was backed by the board.
That will also include an ever growing wage bill and which has resulted in our club captain being our highest earner on £50-55k a week.
They've also renewed contracts for players at Dyche's behest.

He's been backed, you probably don't feel that it was enough money, but he was backed and he's done an exceptional job with the players he's asked for.

At the same time the club has put money into infrastructure, again at the suggestion of Dyche, meaning they've backed him there too.

Sometimes people need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture with the club.

[joey13]

The irony of telling Sid that he can’t understand clear facts and me to do some research, whilst in the same breath to stop belittling posters, is quite delicious.

That said, as DCWat has now said, feel free to post links to the facts you’re referring to.

That is unless they don’t exist, of course.

Telling someone they don’t understand facts isn’t belittling them , it’s fact , it’s plain to see for most people apart from the obvious exceptions like yourself and a few others

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Telling someone they don’t understand facts isn’t belittling them , it’s fact , it’s plain to see for most people apart from the obvious exceptions like yourself and a few others

So lay out the facts for us to see then, that's all we are asking.

I've been providing facts to support my point of view, you're just telling us we can't see them... Then expect us to take you seriously

[TsarBomba]

Literally no point speaking to this bloke. He lives on fairytales and pixie dust. According to him we will be the next Man United and all it takes is a little bit of marketing.

If you dare question him you will be called negative and that you wish the club goes under.

There is so much scope to grow this club.

I’m not on social media much, apart from a bit of Twitter, but one thing I’ve always noticed is how slow we’ve been to pick up followers. I’m not on Facebook, so can’t comment, but Burnley have 550k followers on Twitter. If you are to compare that to the following clubs:

West Brom- 1M
Norwich- 700k+
Watford- 700k+
Swansea- 1M

I’d say all four of those clubs, along with us, are roughly similar in the grand scheme of things. You can nit pick and say some clubs were in the PL longer, like West Brom, but ultimately, there’s not a lot to choose from.

How is it Swansea and West Brom have double the Twitter followers? What are they doing that we’re not?

Even just growing our social media accounts would open up greater commercial opportunity.

Of course there is a ceiling with Burnley, but we’re just nowhere near it. It’s like we’ve not even tried to grow the club particularly in the last 5 years. Yes, we signed a lucrative shirt sponsor, but really, what else do we have to show for our 5 years in the PL?

We could and should be doing so much more off the field, in all aspects. Relegation is inevitable at some point, and it’s borderline criminal that we’ve not maximised the attention that goes with being in the PL.

[Chester Perry]

There is so much scope to grow this club.

I’m not on social media much, apart from a bit of Twitter, but one thing I’ve always noticed is how slow we’ve been to pick up followers. I’m not on Facebook, so can’t comment, but Burnley have 550k followers on Twitter. If you are to compare that to the following clubs:

West Brom- 1M
Norwich- 700k+
Watford- 700k+
Swansea- 1M

I’d say all four of those clubs, along with us, are roughly similar in the grand scheme of things. You can nit pick and say some clubs were in the PL longer, like West Brom, but ultimately, there’s not a lot to choose from.

How is it Swansea and West Brom have double the Twitter followers? What are they doing that we’re not?

Even just growing our social media accounts would open up greater commercial opportunity.

Of course there is a ceiling with Burnley, but we’re just nowhere near it. It’s like we’ve not even tried to grow the club particularly in the last 5 years. Yes, we signed a lucrative shirt sponsor, but really, what else do we have to show for our 5 years in the PL?

We could and should be doing so much more off the field, in all aspects. Relegation is inevitable at some point, and it’s borderline criminal that we’ve not maximised the attention that goes with being in the PL.

I sympathise with your point but it is not long ago that that 500k figure was 27k, work had been done some good some not so good, we can all agree that there is still a lot more to be done

[TsarBomba]

A couple of other football accounts that i do follow on Twitter are the English accounts of Bayer Leverkusen and Roma.

I’m sure other Twitter users will already know this, but they are incredibly responsive to Twitter users, funny, engaging and often create original content.

Im not sure if they still do it, but Roma did a ‘Team of the Day’, and used their account to showcase tiny minnows from random countries such as Zimbabwe or Czech Republic. The social media accounts for these clubs would literally explode, from a few hundred to tens of thousands. You would only need to read through the comments on these pages, and there’d be fans buying Roma shirts and proclaiming Roma to be their second team.

Without wanting to be too critical, it’s as if our Twitter account has been given out to someone in the office who chose the short straw. It’s just bland. There’s no imagination, and there’s no real incentive for someone that doesn’t support Burnley to follow the page.

[KRBFC]

They've also renewed contracts for players at Dyche's behest.

You lost me at this part tbh

[Chester Perry]

A couple of other football accounts that i do follow on Twitter are the English accounts of Bayer Leverkusen and Roma.

I’m sure other Twitter users will already know this, but they are incredibly responsive to Twitter users, funny, engaging and often create original content.

Im not sure if they still do it, but Roma did a ‘Team of the Day’, and used their account to showcase tiny minnows from random countries such as Zimbabwe or Czech Republic. The social media accounts for these clubs would literally explode, from a few hundred to tens of thousands. You would only need to read through the comments on these pages, and there’d be fans buying Roma shirts and proclaiming Roma to be their second team.

Without wanting to be too critical, it’s as if our Twitter account has been given out to someone in the office who chose the short straw. It’s just bland. There’s no imagination, and there’s no real incentive for someone that doesn’t support Burnley to follow the page.

the work of Roma on social media is pretty special to be fair and you are totally right on the last para - it reflects the previous ownership they were a naturally conservative (with a small c) bunch apart from Flood, pretty much like the town to be honest - I expect that to change to be honest, it will have been one of the quick win areas identified by ALK

[GodIsADeeJay81]

You lost me at this part tbh

Contract renewals are done at the request of Dyche.
The club have backed him when it comes to keeping certain players.

There have been times when the player decides they're going anyway, but that's life.

[KRBFC]

Contract renewals are done at the request of Dyche.
The club have backed him when it comes to keeping certain players.

There have been times when the player decides they're going anyway, but that's life.

Wasn't that long ago Dyche was furious with the board for not sorting out the player contracts....

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Wasn't that long ago Dyche was furious with the board for not sorting out the player contracts....

That would be in the middle of Covid at a guess.

[KRBFC]

That would be in the middle of Covid at a guess.

I think Dyche's point was the contracts should've been sorted before Covid even came around....

[TsarBomba]

the work of Roma on social media is pretty special to be fair and you are totally right on the last para - it reflects the previous ownership they were a naturally conservative (with a small c) bunch apart from Flood, pretty much like the town to be honest - I expect that to change to be honest, it will have been one of the quick win areas identified by ALK

It is pretty special. And their missing persons appeal is phenomenal.

Like you say, Chester, there are a lot of ‘quick’ wins that can be achieved in a relatively short space of time.

And I do have sympathy with the club. We simply weren’t ready for promotion under Coyle, on or off the field, and we had nothing to show for it when Dyche came in. He has pretty much had to build the club up from rock bottom, and he and Garlick deserve massive respect for what they have done.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I think Dyche's point was the contracts should've been sorted before Covid even came around....

I don't know the full story tbh.

I know we've offered players new contracts in the past well in advance of their contracts running out and they've still rejected new deals, like Hendrick.

I don't think we've missed anyone who left last summer though so maybe this time he was wrong.

[claretonthecoast1882]

What on earth are you talking about? digging at the fans again....
It's not too difficult to understand is it? the club has been purchased using it's own assets and future income, a leveraged buyout, uncommon in football, like Mr Jordan said, they've got a £200M club for less than £35M (probably nearer £20M).

Most fans wanted new ownership but I'd suggest 99% of fans wanted new owners who would pay for their own shares, ALK aren't funding their own shares, they're using the clubs future income to do so. The club is bank rolling ALK.

Expecting new owners to pay their own debts and pay for their own shares in the club isn't expecting the club to be given away...... quite the opposite

Are you not worried for the future of the club with this buyout? any normal fan should be incredibly skeptical given the history of leveraged buyouts and the fact we desperately need to retain PL status for a considerable period of time for this to even slightly work.

Do you believe the club spending £90M+ (+ yearly interest) of the clubs money (and future money) on new owners is a good investment?

Probably better for someone who struggles making his pocket money last all weekend not to bother getting involved with financial discussions

[StTedsOB]

What on earth are you talking about? digging at the fans again....
It's not too difficult to understand is it? the club has been purchased using it's own assets and future income, a leveraged buyout, uncommon in football, like Mr Jordan said, they've got a £200M club for less than £35M (probably nearer £20M).

Most fans wanted new ownership but I'd suggest 99% of fans wanted new owners who would pay for their own shares, ALK aren't funding their own shares, they're using the clubs future income to do so. The club is bank rolling ALK.

Expecting new owners to pay their own debts and pay for their own shares in the club isn't expecting the club to be given away...... quite the opposite

Are you not worried for the future of the club with this buyout? any normal fan should be incredibly skeptical given the history of leveraged buyouts and the fact we desperately need to retain PL status for a considerable period of time for this to even slightly work.

Do you believe the club spending £90M+ (+ yearly interest) of the clubs money (and future money) on new owners is a good investment?

Am I correct in assuming that you don’t have a financial background ?