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That's Sheffield down then

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:50 pm

With the best will in the World, Sheffield will not exceed 30 points. Simply not enough to stay up.

WBA are unlikely to get any more.

That leaves Fulham. I get a maximum of 33 points for them, leaving us to get 11 points from 16 games. Easy ! ;)

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:53 pm

Sheff Utd are playing well, they just can't seem to get the results so I can't see them getting out of this one.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by tiger76 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:10 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:53 pm
Sheff Utd are playing well, they just can't seem to get the results so I can't see them getting out of this one.
Their recent form, isn't actually that bad, they've won 3 and lost 3 of their last 6, however the problem for them is that they had a terrible start, and even with their recent upturn they are still well adrift of safety, I really can't see how they'll be able to pick up enough points to give themselves a realistic shot, and the same applies to West Brom, the only team in the bottom 3 that have a chance of catching us is Fulham, and that's only because we still have to play them twice, and the real kicker for the bottom 3 is the fact that all the teams above them are picking up points at a fair rate, as long as that continues it's hard to see how any of Fulham, West Brom or Sheff Utd can survive.
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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by Dyched » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:33 pm

They could pick up wins

HOME
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Also got

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Arsenal

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Southampton, Leeds United, Wolves, Tottenham are all very hit and miss this season. It’s a big ask of course, but they’ve got very winnable games to play. Only 3 of the Top 6 to play and who knows what Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham side will turn up.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by jurek » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:34 pm

They'd need to continue their recent form (3 wins from six)
over their last 15 games.
If they did then they could get 35 or so points which might just be enough.

And that's only IF we couldn't manage to get another 12 points or so from our remaining
16 games or Brighton and Newcastle only manage 10 or less points from their remaining 15 games.

It's a tall order but do recall Leicester doing something similar 4/5 seasons ago
when they looked doomed.
I suppose if they did manage it then you'd have to say well done to them.
But not at our expense.

It's Fulham, I think, who we need to keep an eye on.
They were a tad unlucky not to get the 3 points against West Ham.

And we've got to play them twice.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:40 pm

Dyched wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:33 pm
They could pick up wins
One day, pigs could fly too ;)

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:41 pm

2 of Sheff U’s recent wins were WBA & N’castle both at home. Fair play to them for the ManU away win but a one off I would suspect.
They just don’t score enough to survive.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by DCWat » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:42 pm

jurek wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:34 pm
They'd need to continue their recent form (3 wins from six)
over their last 15 games.
If they did then they could get 35 or so points which might just be enough.

And that's only IF we couldn't manage to get another 12 points or so from our remaining
16 games or Brighton and Newcastle only manage 10 or less points from their remaining 15 games.

It's a tall order but do recall Leicester doing something similar 4/5 seasons ago
when they looked doomed.
I suppose if they did manage it then you'd have to say well done to them.
But not at our expense.

It's Fulham, I think, who we need to keep an eye on.
They were a tad unlucky not to get the 3 points against West Ham.

And we've got to play them twice.
I’d take two draws or one win and one defeat from the two Fulham games, if offered it now. Ideally though we will be collecting four points. Won’t be easy though, they’re looking much better lately.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:44 pm

A team that I actually don’t mind. It did take them a hell of a long time to recover from Wembley 2009

Sooner see them stay up than Brighton, Fulham & West Brom

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:44 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:41 pm
They just don’t score enough to survive.
Have they scored more than us ? ;)

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:18 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:44 pm
Have they scored more than us ? ;)
Yes. But they must be conceding more as they only have 3 wins to our 6.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by dibraidio » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:47 pm

15 games to go and to have a chance they probably need another 24 points or more, you are probably talking 7 wins and 4 draws. West Brom and Sheffield Utd are going to have to do something exceptional to stay up now. They probably also need us, Brighton or Newcastle to have a terrible run too as we're all on target to get 38 or more.

Our double header at home against Fulham and West Brom is going to have a big impact particularly as Sheff Utd play Fulham when we play West Brom.
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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by DustyBawls » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:50 pm

dibraidio wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:47 pm
15 games to go and to have a chance they probably need another 24 points or more, you are probably talking 7 wins and 4 draws. West Brom and Sheffield Utd are going to have to do something exceptional to stay up now. They probably also need us, Brighton or Newcastle to have a terrible run too as we're all on target to get 38 or more.

Our double header at home against Fulham and West Brom is going to have a big impact particularly as Sheff Utd play Fulham when we play West Brom.
The way this season has gone, I will take 17th every day of the week.

I do think Sheffield United are going to finish above both WBA and Fulham.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:59 pm

not saying they will get out of it, it's very unlikely, but for anyone to write anyone off at this stage of the season is very premature.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by DustyBawls » Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:01 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:59 pm
not saying they will get out of it, it's very unlikely, but for anyone to write anyone off at this stage of the season is very premature.
Yup. Taking nothing at all for granted.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by MACCA » Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:40 am

If we win our next 2 home games we are safe, 4 points would also probably do it, if the win was v Fulham.

I thought 4 wins after the villa game would be enough, the fact none have gained much ground on us in the 3 games after is worry for them as we have only picked up 1 point.

Our next 2 home games a pretty big to be fair, 6 points finishes them off IMO, but who knows 0 points could spark one if them off and get our nerves jiggling a touch

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by buzzclarets79 » Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:47 am

The two times we play Fulham will be massive in our survival this year. Two wins would see us stop up and totally deflate Fulham. However two draws wouldn't be the worse outcome.
The key will be not losing either game to them, just don't lose. They win both they'll have confidence in stopping up.
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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by Top Claret » Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:45 am

We honestly haven't got a cat in bells chance of getting relegated this season

Sheffield United and WBA gone already

Fulham haven't got the stomach for a fight, you only have to look at their players to see that

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by Dark Cloud » Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:01 am

I'd like to think that we'll get away with our terrible start to this season largely because the bottom 3 are so poor, BUT Fulham still worry me as they're aren't nearly as bad as the other 2 and we HAVE to turn up in the games that matter, principally the ones against those teams in and around us. Plus, although it's February, there are still loads of games left due to the weird nature of the season.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by houseboy » Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:07 am

jurek wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:34 pm
They'd need to continue their recent form (3 wins from six)
over their last 15 games.
If they did then they could get 35 or so points which might just be enough.

And that's only IF we couldn't manage to get another 12 points or so from our remaining
16 games or Brighton and Newcastle only manage 10 or less points from their remaining 15 games.

It's a tall order but do recall Leicester doing something similar 4/5 seasons ago
when they looked doomed.
I suppose if they did manage it then you'd have to say well done to them.
But not at our expense.

It's Fulham, I think, who we need to keep an eye on.
They were a tad unlucky not to get the 3 points against West Ham.

And we've got to play them twice.
But we have just hammered them 3-0 on their own ground.
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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by houseboy » Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:12 am

I feel sorry for Sheffield Utd. I like the club, always have, but sooner them take a relegation spot than us. As said on MotD, it’s hard to look beyond the current bottom three for relegation and barring the two games against Chelsea and City (no surprise there) we have been playing well, and second half against Brighton was a joy to watch. We have no problems other than how high we finish I believe.
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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by nonayclaret » Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:13 am

Top Claret wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:45 am
We honestly haven't got a cat in bells chance of getting relegated this season

Sheffield United and WBA gone already

Fulham haven't got the stomach for a fight, you only have to look at their players to see that
Fans on here were saying the same about Leicester, the season before they won the PL. They were rock bottom and suddenly shot up.

I still think SU will go down though.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by Hibsclaret » Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:44 am

Dark Cloud wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:01 am
I'd like to think that we'll get away with our terrible start to this season largely because the bottom 3 are so poor, BUT Fulham still worry me as they're aren't nearly as bad as the other 2 and we HAVE to turn up in the games that matter, principally the ones against those teams in and around us. Plus, although it's February, there are still loads of games left due to the weird nature of the season.
WE

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by Spijed » Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:08 am

nonayclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:13 am
Fans on here were saying the same about Leicester, the season before they won the PL. They were rock bottom and suddenly shot up.

I still think SU will go down though.
This was the table at the same point:

Leicester got 2 more points in their next six matches before going on that fantastic run.
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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by Dark Cloud » Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:45 am

Hibsclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:44 am
WE

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NOT

GOING

DOWN

Simples
I hope you're right, but we are constantly battling injuries to key players this season and we're just about managing that situation, but if one of our first choice CB's goes down we're truly f'd. We played well on Saturday and you'd like to think if we play like that against most other teams in the bottom half we'll be too good for them, but we have to maintain that level basically every game because our start has left us hovering just above the abyss.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:54 am

nonayclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:13 am
Fans on here were saying the same about Leicester, the season before they won the PL. They were rock bottom and suddenly shot up.
And Leicester weren't 8 points adrift ! A bridge too far for any of the bottom 3! As has been said above, by several contributors, our double- header against Fulham will be decisive.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by arise_sir_charge » Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:09 pm

It's a bit of a myth that Fulham are looking better etc.......They've not won for 13 games!

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by warksclaret » Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:55 pm

Be a real shame, but the league at the end of 38 games does not lie and it will take a minor miracle for them to survive.It makes their achievements last year even more incredible. THe real surprise is that 13 PL teams have conceded more goals than them this season , which just shows how many games they lose by the odd goal

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by dsr » Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:25 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:09 pm
It's a bit of a myth that Fulham are looking better etc.......They've not won for 13 games!
I think pundits have noticed that their defence looks more solid but haven't noticed that they have stopped scoring. 6 goals in the last 12 league games, no wins, 8 draws. I suppose they might start snatching 1-0's like we do, but no sign of it yet.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by chekhov » Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:31 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:09 pm
It's a bit of a myth that Fulham are looking better etc.......They've not won for 13 games!
That’s a valid point.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by arise_sir_charge » Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:07 pm

I think it’s because they picked up a couple of notable draws albeit they’ve have plenty of games they’d really expect to win and taken little from them.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by chekhov » Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:26 pm

Picking up lots of draws is not the best way to go marching up the table. It’ll be a miracle if they catch us.
It’ll be a shame for 1940’s matinee screen idol Scott Parker to get relegated, but I’ll happy if it means we stay up.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by chekhov » Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:28 pm

(Or maybe he’s a Battle of Britain fighter ace.)

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by Spijed » Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:41 pm

It really shows how efficient we are when we score.

When we score a goal, especially if we score first we are likely to win.

Fulham clearly need to score 2-3 goals to win many games.

That's why we are well clear of them despite scoring fewer goals.

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by Bosscat » Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:58 pm

chekhov wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:28 pm
(Or maybe he’s a Battle of Britain fighter ace.)
Thats it Chekhov ... Scotty Parker will forever known as "Biggles" 😏😏😏


Or Scott Parker
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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by chekhov » Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:11 pm

Biggles could work although isn’t he from a different world war?
However I admit there is an uncanny similarity in the high cheekbones!

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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by Bosscat » Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:29 pm

chekhov wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:11 pm
Biggles could work although isn’t he from a different world war?
However I admit there is an uncanny similarity in the high cheekbones!
Biggles did fly Spitfires in the BoB in WW2
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Re: That's Sheffield down then

Post by chekhov » Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:31 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:29 pm
Biggles did fly Spitfires in the BoB in WW2
Didn’t realise that. Fair do’s, Biggles it is.

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