Tomáš Souček red card overturned

[ClaretTony]

FA have overturned the decision - and rightly so

[ClaretTony]

And I'll add - rightly so

[dermotdermot]

I think you just did.

[fidelcastro]

I thought VAR was brought in, in part, to sort out these incidents?

[ClaretTony]

I thought VAR was brought in, in part, to sort out these incidents?

I remain very strongly of the opinion that no technology can make subjective decisions. The one to send off Souček was made by two referees, was wrong and West Ham rightly appealed.

[Aclaret]

It seems VAR creates more problems than it solves !

[fidelcastro]

I remain very strongly of the opinion that no technology can make subjective decisions. The one to send off Souček was made by two referees, was wrong and West Ham rightly appealed.

What hope is there if officials are still getting decisions wrong after spending ages watching several replays?

I'm constantly being told that VAR is here to stay. If that's the case then the game is dying.

[Marney&Mee]

And I'll add - rightly so

very Fred Elliott of you !

[Herts Clarets]

There is nothing wrong with VAR and everything wrong with the people who operate it and make decisions. When you see a red card awarded for the Soucek incident and then the ridiculous theatrics from Salah being awarded a penalty, you can have little faith in those charged with officiating the game.

[Bosscat]

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[Hipper]

Does this mean Soucek didn't intend to connect with Mitrovich's forehead, or did not connect with Mitrovich's forehead at all.

The question is what was Soucek doing and what caused Mitrovich to be dying one minute and then saying the referee should not send him off the next.

Why is Mitrovich not being questioned?

I'm still suspicious of Soucek's actions but don't believe he contacted Mitrovich enough to cause him to fall to the ground. The fact is you do not raise your arm to someone's face without being provocative.

[nyclaret]

Does this mean Soucek didn't intend to connect with Mitrovich's forehead, or did not connect with Mitrovich's forehead at all.

The question is what was Soucek doing and what caused Mitrovich to be dying one minute and then saying the referee should not send him off the next.

Why is Mitrovich not being questioned?

I'm still suspicious of Soucek's actions but don't believe he contacted Mitrovich enough to cause him to fall to the ground. The fact is you do not raise your arm to someone's face without being provocative.

Are you being serious? How could anyone still be suspicious of his actions? The guy was just trying to lift his arm up!

[NewClaret]

FA have overturned the decision - and rightly so

Most impressed you knew how to spell his name and all those various accents above the letters Tony!!

[ŽižkovClaret]

Most impressed you knew how to spell his name and all those various accents above the letters Tony!!

hehe

[ClaretTony]

very Fred Elliott of you !

I say, very Fred Elliott

[dermotdermot]

Most impressed you knew how to spell his name and all those various accents above the letters Tony!!

Yes, how did you do that? I don’t have all those little umlauts, etc. on my keyboards.

[ClaretTony]

Yes, how did you do that? I don’t have all those little umlauts, etc. on my keyboards.

It all started really when I was asked if I could write Jόhann Berg Guðmundsson correctly on the site which I now do. So I now try to do it with other players.

[Aclaret]

It all started really when I was asked if I could write Jόhann Berg Guðmundsson correctly on the site which I now do. So I now try to do it with other players.

I thought it was flecks of dirt on my phone ! I was trying to wipe them off

[beddie]

I haven't seen the incident but it sounds like it's the correct decision to overturn it.

[welsbyswife]

The question is what was Soucek doing and what caused Mitrovich to be dying one minute and then saying the referee should not send him off the next.

Why is Mitrovich not being questioned?

This is the key point for me. We need to stop being overly critical of the refs and focus the criticism on the blatant cheating. Mitrovic hasn't had anywhere near enough scrutiny in this for my liking. Ok, the refs got it badly wrong but the source of the problem is players throwing themselves on the ground to try and cheat the officials. I would like to see the red card rescinded and a retrospective punishment for play acting. Using the technology in that way would soon sort this nonsense out. Name and shame the cheats, punish them and it would make the refs' job much easier.

[RalphCoatesComb]

There is nothing wrong with VAR and everything wrong with the people who operate it and make decisions.

Exactly. Perhaps referees have an agenda here. Make VAR a laughing stock, then it will be ditched.

We are in danger of throwing the baby out with the bath water

[aclaretinstevenage]

While I agree that Mitrovich has some questions to answer as do all the play acting cheating tossers in the Premier League, Mike Dean has had two ridiculous Red Cards overturned in the space of a week!
HE has to be questioned about his lust for the starring role which seems to getting worse the more TV games he gets; I say this knowing we have been on the end of some "helpful" decisions from him down the years.

[ClaretTony]

While I agree that Mitrovich has some questions to answer as do all the play acting cheating tossers in the Premier League, Mike Dean has had two ridiculous Red Cards overturned in the space of a week!
HE has to be questioned about his lust for the starring role which seems to getting worse the more TV games he gets; I say this knowing we have been on the end of some "helpful" decisions from him down the years.

The thing is that Dean had seen it and dealt with it and then Mason jumped in about clenched fists. Only Dean will know why he took notice of Mason but it led to this nonsense of a decision.

[aclaretinstevenage]

The thing is that Dean had seen it and dealt with it and then Mason jumped in about clenched fists. Only Dean will know why he took notice of Mason but it led to this nonsense of a decision.

Yep, I agree but even after the inept Mason intervened Dean stood at that screen for ages - as he did with the Bednarek Red Card - and then to all of us watching again got the decision totally wrong ...IMHO of course.

As said by others VAR is causing more problems than it solves presently

I note this morning Moyes is highlighting players diving and such, is seems Sean Dyche may finally have some support for his "crusade" against the cheats!

[FCBurnley]

Right decision eventually

[buzzclarets79]

The thing is that Dean had seen it and dealt with it and then Mason jumped in about clenched fists. Only Dean will know why he took notice of Mason but it led to this nonsense of a decision.

Mason is beyond bad, he's a joke. How he keeps reffing in the top league is beyond me. That clown Jones (Leeds Ref) is close 2nd.....

[ClaretTony]

Yep, I agree but even after the inept Mason intervened Dean stood at that screen for ages - as he did with the Bednarek Red Card - and then to all of us watching again got the decision totally wrong ...IMHO of course.

As said by others VAR is causing more problems than it solves presently

I note this morning Moyes is highlighting players diving and such, is seems Sean Dyche may finally have some support for his "crusade" against the cheats!

Agree with you but the one thing we don't know is exactly what Mason is saying to Dean other than, apparently, consistently referring to the clenched fist. In some ways, the week's VAR farces have been helpful. For my sins, I'm now on a FSA VAR Working Group and although the spec is regarding how VAR is for match attending spectators, if we can remember those days, it does help somewhat when they are cocking up like this.

[sanderson370]

Mason is beyond bad, he's a joke. How he keeps reffing in the top league is beyond me. That clown Jones (Leeds Ref) is close 2nd.....

i couldnt agree more if they are not up to standard they should be struck off .lee mason well do i need to say anymore as nuno espiritas was fined for his comments recently about him so clearly managers have issues with him and i dare say a lot are reluctant to speak there minds as they are fined.

[jojomk1]

Yet another example of why there should be an ex pro sat at Stockley Park to give a reasoned view

But these refs won't allow that as it would undermine their authority

[Hipper]

Are you being serious? How could anyone still be suspicious of his actions? The guy was just trying to lift his arm up!

Why was he 'trying to lift his arm up'? I see no reason for it.

[ŽižkovClaret]

My username should really be ŽižkovClaret, but unsure if the mods can do the honours?

[ClaretTony]

My username should really be ŽižkovClaret, but unsure if the mods can do the honours?

Done

[tim_noone]

Why was he 'trying to lift his arm up'? I see no reason for it.

[Vegas Claret]

the surprise here was Mike Dean was involved, no surprise Mason was VAR because he is terrible. Imagine if Fulham had nicked the game right at the end because of that decision.......

[Taffy on the wing]

FA have overturned the decision - and rightly so

Can't believe Mike Dean gave it & the one against Bednarek?.....shocking decisions both.
I consider him to be one of the best Refs we have.

[Cirrus_Minor]

It is clearly the right decision to overturn the red card.

What amazes me is how Dean takes about 5 minutes of slow and real time replays to make this decision on what is supposed to be ‘clear and obvious’.

[Spike]

I fully expect the death threats to be also overturned

[superdimitri]

A sign of good things to come hopefully.

[NewClaret]

Agree with you but the one thing we don't know is exactly what Mason is saying to Dean other than, apparently, consistently referring to the clenched fist. In some ways, the week's VAR farces have been helpful. For my sins, I'm now on a FSA VAR Working Group and although the spec is regarding how VAR is for match attending spectators, if we can remember those days, it does help somewhat when they are cocking up like this.

To be honest though Tony, the weekends situations were mainly the refs interpretation of the rules. It’s the rules that need changing/clarifying. Top of my list would be:

- penalties only given for strong contact that denies a clear goal scoring opportunity. By way of example, I wouldn’t have given penalties in either the Liverpool v City game or the Sheffield V Chelsea game: Sterling was tripped but other players were covering (Thiago) so no clear goal scoring opportunity; no contact on Salah, that was a dive; Mount was fouled but had kicked the ball towards a covering defender and stood no chance of scoring had he not won a pen.

- keepers getting protection. Fouls only given where it would elsewhere on the pitch and also no right to climb all over opponents to win the ball.

- sendings off only for dangerous or foul play... this whole tapping someone on the head with your elbow (intentional or otherwise) being a sending off.

- offside only if there’s daylight between a body part that can score a goal (foot, leg or head). None of this half a foot/armpit offside rubbish, in which case advantage should be given to the attacking player.

- more scrutiny of play acting. Yellows, reds and retrospective punishment if not dealt with by the ref on the day.

I like VAR. As a Burnley fan, I feel it’s important so that the refs have no hiding place in the games against bigger teams/crowds. It’s the rules and the refs interpretation of them that irks me. The Soucek one being one of the worst I’ve seen this season. Football in general needs to man the **** up.

And final point on my rant: refs are paid a lot and should be interviewed to explain their decisions at the end. They should admit their mistakes when they make them. Or as a minimum we should get to hear their conversations so we know what the heck is going on.

[NewClaret]

Done

Brilliant

[tiger76]

I fully expect the death threats to be also overturned

Yes I've seen that on the news, whatever people might think of Mike Dean's decisions, and like many others I agree he got these 2 badly wrong, there is absolutely no justification for the online abuse and vitriol, he and his family have received over the last week.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Done

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