collectively, we as fans are clueless.

[Wile E Coyote]

never week goes by without the entire team or individual players getting hammered for one reason or other.
I have been guilty on occasions.
The fact remains we usually get it horribly wrong. That's why we are impoverished pie chompers shelling out small fortunes many cant really afford to watch our team of millionaires.
One minute we are consigning players to the scrapheap, next, they are being hailed as warriors.
we berate our defenders, midfielders, , strikers, then decide they are men of the match or 10/10 in a ratings table.
Its all good fun, and part of fan culture, but ultimately NONE of us have a ******* clue.

[Bin Ont Turf]

You're mistaking people who point out a crap performance and crap performers after a crap result, with perpetual moaners (black cloud chasers as I like to call them).

But as always it is about what is said, and how it's said.

[Wile E Coyote]

no, I am not mistaking a thing Bin. I take your point , but its not what I meant.

[Jakubclaret]

Not all posters jump on the players backs & criticise when things are going s**tshaped, you take the rough with the smooth in equal measures, 1 day you’ll win, 1 day you’ll draw, 1 day you’ll lose, you build a bridge that’s life.

[ElectroClaret]

Its basically why the posters who "hammer' them aren't managers.

Just fans.

[kindonesque]

Kev Long got a shed load of venom for Bournemouth. Hands up if your heart sank when he cameo.
He was brilliant alongside Tarks even if it was only ten mins. He's as much part of this team as Nick or Ben. Time to recognise and celebrate that. Limited squad but everyone has balls of steel

[Jakubclaret]

Kev Long got a shed load of venom for Bournemouth. Hands up if your heart sank when he cameo.
He was brilliant alongside Tarks even if it was only ten mins. He's as much part of this team as Nick or Ben. Time to recognise and celebrate that. Limited squad but everyone has balls of steel

It’s true that good things are often forgotten about but bad things are always remembered.

[claretdj]

Don't try to dress it up, Kevin Long is an awful defender, but he has carved a decent living for the last 11 years as a 7 game a season man. A great gig if you can get it!

[TheOriginalLongsider]

Just speak for yourself. Most of us are moderates and criticise when appropriate without going overboard.

[kindonesque]

dj He's an Irish international. Got badly injured against Newcastle ..recovered from that and gives 110 per cent in Claret and Blue mate Get real.

[Wile E Coyote]

Just speak for yourself. Most of us are moderates and criticise when appropriate without going overboard.

no, because that is evidently not true. You are wrong .

[Rileybobs]

Don't try to dress it up, Kevin Long is an awful defender, but he has carved a decent living for the last 11 years as a 7 game a season man. A great gig if you can get it!

I think this post puts you well and truly in the OP’s clueless category.

[Jakubclaret]

I think this post puts you well and truly in the OP’s clueless category.

It’d be more constructive if you explained why you felt that way, I’m not saying I agree or disagree with the poster but if you are trying to induce a sensible response maybe you should approach the post differently to further the discussion.

[Rileybobs]

It’d be more constructive if you explained why you felt that way, I’m not saying I agree or disagree with the poster but if you are trying to induce a sensible response maybe you should approach the post differently to further the discussion.

Ok Jakub, maybe I was a little curt. For someone to say that Kevin Long is a awful defender shows that person up as being clueless.

[Vegas Claret]

we are only as clueless as Dyche and his team would be about the stuff we all do

[fidelcastro]

Ok Jakub, maybe I was a little curt. For someone to say that Kevin Long is a awful defender shows that person up as being clueless.

Awful is too strong a word, obviously, but do you really think he's premier league standard?

Just asking.

[Rileybobs]

Awful is too strong a word, obviously, but do you really think he's premier league standard?

Just asking.

Well awful is just incorrect. I don’t think that Kevin Long is good enough to be a regular starter in a Premier League side. But he’s proven himself to be more than capable as a backup player - and I think it’s fair to say that I’d take him over Palace’s two CBs today.

[RammyClaret61]

This is what gets me. We have a great win away, and this is the first thing someone on Facebook posts....

At the risk of annoying the parochial folk on here, has Ashley Barnes actually tried to play the ball yet, or is he just trying to win free-kicks? He’s going down quicker than a $10 hooker.
“When he gets a nudge he hits the floor” - Don Hutchison commentating.
Yet Dyche insists he tells his team to keep their feet and that’s why we don’t get free-kicks and penalties.....

And another...

Would’ve been a good week if we were still in the cup!

Then you’ve got those looking at every other game and picking points that they can use against the club they portray to support.

[Colburn_Claret]

Awful is too strong a word, obviously, but do you really think he's premier league standard?

Just asking.

I think if he wasn't, Dyche would replace him.

I think Kevs biggest problem, and gets him called out by those less aware, is that he isn't as good as Keane, Tarks or Mee. That doesn't make him a bad player.

[Culmclaret]

Drama queens and jotter-blotting rubber desk-johnies. Thank god Dyche takes the longer view rather than panicking after every set back. We’ve got a good honest group of players and some of the comments you see on here are unbelievable

[Dark Cloud]

Kev Long got a shed load of venom for Bournemouth. Hands up if your heart sank when he cameo.
He was brilliant alongside Tarks even if it was only ten mins. He's as much part of this team as Nick or Ben. Time to recognise and celebrate that. Limited squad but everyone has balls of steel

Re Kevin Long: He kind of encapsulates the OP tbh. I personally think he's 110% committed and gives everything to the club, BUT I also think that at the standard we're now at he really isn't good enough and never has been and I wouldn't have been extending his contract. SD sees it differently. SD is the best manager I've seen at Burnley in 60 years, so I have to accept that I'm clueless and actually know bu**er all and he knows exactly what he's doing!!!

[JohnMac]

Is Kevin Long a Premier League defender?

Although he may not be of the same quality as Virgil Van Dijk or even our own Ben Mee and James Tarkowski, he is certainly a player worthy of representing Burnley.

I would love to know what the criterea is supposed to be given everyone cannot be the very best in the League.

[PremierLeagueClass]

Nothing that happened yesterday excuses what happened on Tuesday. They are isolated incidents and should be judged as such. What happened on Tuesday was a disgrace. What happened yesterday was absolutely fantastic. If you think otherwise, THAT would be clueless.

Like BOT says, there’s a difference between those who can be reasonably objective about things (I say reasonably because it’s difficult at times when you’re passionate about a football club) and those who thrive on negativity and the attention they receive from it. It’s very easy to spot which posters belong in which camp.

[bfcjg]

Wht pick on Long ?

[pushpinpussy]

collectively, we as fans are clueless.

the trouble with this board is its full of people being negative, criticising and belittling people. Take last week against Bournemouth for example. The stick Dyche and the club got was appalling. He had his reasons. trust him. Believe in him. Stick with the club through thick and thin. Stay positive all the time. Im always reading about people with mental health issue on here. It doesn't surprise me as you are doom and gloom merchants and always terribly down in the dumps. The majority of Burnley fans i know don't read this message board as they seem to think the people who use it are a bit of a laughing stock and because of the negativity on here. I'm lucky as i can stay positive no matter what and always look at the bigger picture.

[CaptJohn]

I don't think for one minute we are clueless but we are undoubtedly in the dark as to the inner workings at the Turf. We don't have the facts to hand thus all our comments are pure speculation as to what will happen.
Our comments on what has happened are usually pretty accurate and the performance against Bournemouth was dire. The performance against Palace was excellent. Simples!

[evensteadiereddie]

never week goes by without the entire team or individual players getting hammered for one reason or other.
I have been guilty on occasions.
The fact remains we usually get it horribly wrong. That's why we are impoverished pie chompers shelling out small fortunes many cant really afford to watch our team of millionaires.
One minute we are consigning players to the scrapheap, next, they are being hailed as warriors.
we berate our defenders, midfielders, , strikers, then decide they are men of the match or 10/10 in a ratings table.
Its all good fun, and part of fan culture, but ultimately NONE of us have a ******* clue.

Speak for yourself, Wile.
As a few of us valiantly tried to point out, we need to keep things in perspective. Some see Dyche's risk-taking v Bournemouth as an ineviable and wise result of our lack of depth, others see it as a "disgrace" and evidence of his "contempt" for the game, the club and its fans.
Dyche was vindicated yesterday whether the doubters like it or not. Dyche is a pragmatist, he deals in reality and the reality to him and the club's welfare is that our squad needed protecting for the next few vital games.
Some might not like that idea - that's tough - but the level of abuse aimed at Dyche and each of the players throughout the season has been embarrassing at times.
UTC

[jdrobbo]

How hypocritical, pushpin. You called me a prick and then twice accused ME of editing your posts. When it comes to negativity and belittling behaviour, you’re up there. Quite literally unbelievable!

[evensteadiereddie]

Who did ?

[jdrobbo]

See above

[evensteadiereddie]

Sorry, missed that.

[jrgbfc]

It would make for an extremely dull message board if we all had exactly the same opinion on everything, which is what some people seem to be in favour of?

[Jakubclaret]

Ok Jakub, maybe I was a little curt. For someone to say that Kevin Long is a awful defender shows that person up as being clueless.

That’s your opinion & that person was expressing there opinion, I don’t think he’s an awful defender I think he’s a mediocre defender, but I don’t think the other poster is clueless because I disagree with them, challenging alternative viewpoints & discussing them in a sensible manner furthers discussion, at least you’ve gone a little way to explaining why you’ve decided to call somebody clueless because you disagree with them so I appreciate the reply despite disagreeing that the other person is clueless.

[boatshed bill]

This is brilliant. OP said "collectively".

[groove]

It hurts when we get beat and don't perform well. I used to liken it to falling out with a partner, you might say some things you don't really mean in anger, and even storm out vowing never to see them again. But the anger subsides and all is forgiven a week later and you're loves young dream again. I think the wisdom of age, and after following us for nearly 40 years, has made me less reactionary and more accepting. We aren't going to win every game, and I hate us getting beat but that's why victory is all the more sweeter. UTC

[DCWat]

It would make for an extremely dull message board if we all had exactly the same opinion on everything, which is what some people seem to be in favour of?

I disagree with you on that jrgbfc. What I think the overwhelming majority would like to see is reasoned and respectful viewpoints.

There are so many posts that offer no explanation or detail of why an opinion is disagreed with. It creates friction and doesn’t lead to good debate.

Hell, we are all on here because we share a love for the one same thing.

[DCWat]

It hurts when we get beat and don't perform well. I used to liken it to falling out with a partner, you might say some things you don't really mean in anger, and even storm out vowing never to see them again. But the anger subsides and all is forgiven a week later and you're loves young dream again. I think the wisdom of age, and after following us for nearly 40 years, has made me less reactionary and more accepting. We aren't going to win every game, and I hate us getting beat but that's why victory is all the more sweeter. UTC

If we had a partner that hurts us as much as a football team does over the years, we’d all be out the door after six months!

[claretgimmer]

Re Long, why would Dyche replace him, someone said 7 games a season, good gig, very true but the problem is the players who are good enough want to be playing week in week out aka Gibson and Dyche doesn`t do rotation as a norm only when necessary, so in Long, Dyche has a player good enough to be a stop gap and is happy to bide his time on the bench without being disruptive to the squad, he`s a managers dream.

[Rileybobs]

That’s your opinion & that person was expressing there opinion, I don’t think he’s an awful defender I think he’s a mediocre defender, but I don’t think the other poster is clueless because I disagree with them, challenging alternative viewpoints & discussing them in a sensible manner furthers discussion, at least you’ve gone a little way to explaining why you’ve decided to call somebody clueless because you disagree with them so I appreciate the reply despite disagreeing that the other person is clueless.

The other person is clueless because they claim that Kevin Long is an awful defender. I haven’t called them clueless because I disagree with them, I’ve called them clueless because they’re totally wrong, and clueless.

It’s not possible to have a sensible discussion with someone who claims that Kevin Long is an awful defender so what’s the point trying.

[chekhov]

I disagree with you on that jrgbfc. What I think the overwhelming majority would like to see is reasoned and respectful viewpoints.

There are so many posts that offer no explanation or detail of why an opinion is disagreed with. It creates friction and doesn’t lead to good debate.

Hell, we are all on here because we share a love for the one same thing.

I echo your comment DCWatt. Respect is the key word. The comment, Kevin Long is an awful defender, is a case in point. Apart from being disrespectful to a player who, I’ve no doubt, has always given 100% whenever called upon, the statement is simply objectively incorrect. He wouldn’t have fulfilled his role so admirably for us if that were the case.
No-one I think is advocating everyone should think the same thing, just that we should respect other posters and be respectful in our comments.

[Jakubclaret]

The other person is clueless because they claim that Kevin Long is an awful defender. I haven’t called them clueless because I disagree with them, I’ve called them clueless because they’re totally wrong, and clueless.

It’s not possible to have a sensible discussion with someone who claims that Kevin Long is an awful defender so what’s the point trying.

They are not wrong though that is there opinion, some people do believe he’s an awful defender, you mentioned context the other day & I think on this occasion it’s appropriate, if people had the opinion that KL was awful for the PL then maybe, you also mentioned you preferred KL to the palace CBs well that’s not difficult, I think Scott dann is nearly 34 or 34 & shot at this level & the other CB isn’t actually a CB kouyate is a midfielder but positioned there due to sakho & Tompkins being injured/unavailable.

[Ptangyangkipperbang]

I'm always a glass half full where Burnley are concerned.Even with such a poor start this season I was always confident we would turn it round.But I'm still miffed about Tuesdays cup defeat I really believe we could have give it a better go and still have enough to stay up

[Rileybobs]

They are not wrong though that is there opinion, some people do believe he’s an awful defender, you mentioned context the other day & I think on this occasion it’s appropriate, if people had the opinion that KL was awful for the PL then maybe, you also mentioned you preferred KL to the palace CBs well that’s not difficult, I think Scott dann is nearly 34 or 34 & shot at this level & the other CB isn’t actually a CB kouyate is a midfielder but positioned there due to sakho & Tompkins being injured/unavailable.

They are wrong. How can Kevin Long be an awful defender? It’s irrelevant whether it’s someone’s opinion, the statement is incorrect.

If I said that Dyche was an awful manager I would be entitled to that view, but it would be wrong. And I would expect others to point out that it was wrong.

[Jakubclaret]

They are wrong. How can Kevin Long be an awful defender? It’s irrelevant whether it’s someone’s opinion, the statement is incorrect.

If I said that Dyche was an awful manager I would be entitled to that view, but it would be wrong. And I would expect others to point out that it was wrong.

We will have to agree to disagree on this 1, I don’t wish to continue because you are like a dog with a bone I’m busy this afternoon & that’s my opinion doesn’t mean I’m right or wrong, the other poster was probably referring to KL as a 1st choice at PL level I’m not sure, good day.

[evensteadiereddie]

[Rileybobs]

We will have to agree to disagree on this 1, I don’t wish to continue because you are like a dog with a bone I’m busy this afternoon & that’s my opinion doesn’t mean I’m right or wrong, the other poster was probably referring to KL as a 1st choice at PL level I’m not sure, good day.

You’re arguing with me despite agreeing with me, not for the first time. He wasn’t referring to Kevin Long being a 1st choice, he said that Kevin Long is an awful defender. It’s a fact that Kevin Long isn’t an awful defender, whether you have a busy afternoon planned or not. Have a good one.

[dandeclaret]

Quite simply put..... it is IMPOSSIBLE to be an awful defender and be part of a premier league squad. Impossible.

[Socrates]

Quite simply put..... it is IMPOSSIBLE to be an awful defender and be part of a premier league squad. Impossible.

[Rileybobs]

Funnily enough I mentioned Djiloboji to my brother during the game yesterday. Got to be the worst individual performance against us in the PL. Andre filled his boots that day.

[Tribesmen]

This is what gets me. We have a great win away, and this is the first thing someone on Facebook posts....

At the risk of annoying the parochial folk on here, has Ashley Barnes actually tried to play the ball yet, or is he just trying to win free-kicks? He’s going down quicker than a $10 hooker.
“When he gets a nudge he hits the floor” - Don Hutchison commentating.
Yet Dyche insists he tells his team to keep their feet and that’s why we don’t get free-kicks and penalties.....

And another...

Would’ve been a good week if we were still in the cup!

Then you’ve got those looking at every other game and picking points that they can use against the club they portray to support.

I know This so called Chelsea fan who said the morning after winning the Champions league " That's the worst Chelsea side i have ever seen "