Nothing new though is it and this guy was well rated, although he never had to ref at the Turf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=6SIGn2scNRU

As a grass roots referee, I find it disconcerting that people are backing a lengthy ban for the ref.

He was wrong, but didn't do much to merit, for example, a 12 month ban.

The respect campaign has fallen by the wayside, and players, coaches (and parents where applicable) need to REALLY respect match officials, and the FA and FIFA, plus all leagues, should be backing the officials appropriately.

More of a move towards rugby do things would be a start.

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:06 pm

Nothing new though is it and this guy was well rated, although he never had to ref at the Turf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=6SIGn2scNRU

Player went first in that one and I don't think Collina did much wrong, more a defensive action.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:01 pm

If you are referring to the Southampton game when he was denied the clearest of penalties, I actually reported at the time that having been carded for being taken out by the goalkeeper he was very fortunate not to get a second yellow for his rant. What would you want me to do, run on and red card him?

What amazes me with you is that you will defend referees to the hilt. When they make a bad decision, you try and tell us it's correct. When they have bad games, you try and tell us they haven't. I used to think tybfc's brother was bad enough.

I'll support you on wanting abuse clamping down whether that abuse is aimed at players, referees, supporters or whoever, it's downright shocking. Alan Judge had no right to wag his finger in the referee's face but what happened next is totally unacceptable.

I couldn't tell you what game it was, but if that was Southampton so be it. I said at the time it was a penalty and could understand his frustration. Purely an observation that you didn't think Barnes deserved a long ban for his actions.

I do not defend referees to the hilt, what I do is try and give a perspective on why a particular decision will have been made by quoting the laws of the game. If law is applied correctly then the referee is correct irrespective.of what blinkered football fans think.

Tys brother was very forthright and honest in his assessment. Unfortunately you choose not to accept the reasoning behind why decisions are made. What I won't do is come on here and slate a colleague. I wonder is that the reasoning behind why you think I defend referees?

If the player hadn't done what he did, do you honestly think the referee would have done what he did. If you read one of my earlier posts you will see the words "I don't condone"

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:09 pm

Player went first in that one and I don't think Collina did much wrong, more a defensive action.

I would have loved to have seen him do that on the Turf to a Burnley player in front of a full house whether it was defensive or not.

dpinsussex wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:12 pm

Purely an observation that you didn't think Barnes deserved a long ban for his actions.

Why would he deserve a long ban? He got a yellow card for what the officials couldn't see should have been a penalty. Those officials, Anthony Taylor and Adam Nunn, then didn't think anything that followed was worth any punishment. Under what circumstances, when referee and assistant have taken no action, would it warrant a ban?

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:15 pm

Why would he deserve a long ban? He got a yellow card for what the officials couldn't see should have been a penalty. Those officials, Anthony Taylor and Adam Nunn, then didn't think anything that followed was worth any punishment. Under what circumstances, when referee and assistant have taken no action, would it warrant a ban?

My earlier response is something you should read Tony

"Interesting point re the other way round. In law there was no head butt so at worst a yellow card for adopting an aggressive attitude (C1 UB)"

So based on what would happen to a player for going head to bead is a yellow card. Why then does a referee deserve a lengthy ban?

dpinsussex wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:18 pm

My earlier response is something you should read Tony

"Interesting point re the other way round. In law there was no head butt so at worst a yellow card for adopting an aggressive attitude (C1 UB)"

So based on what would happen to a player for going head to bead is a yellow card. Why then does a referee deserve a lengthy ban?

And what action do you think would be taken against a player who went head to head with a referee? I would sincerely hope it's not a three match ban because it is deserving of a much longer suspension.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:20 pm

And what action do you think would be taken against a player who went head to head with a referee? I would sincerely hope it's not a three match ban because it is deserving of a much longer suspension.

You're worse than a politician for not answering the question

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:52 pm

And what punishment do you think a player would receive if he headbutted a referee?

A serious enough ban. As it so happens though, Drysdale didn't headbutt Judge and merely leaned in towards a much shorter man.

To utilise that rationale though, do you think there would be no repercussions if Referees used the type of language towards players that they receive, currently?

I think it’s about time a ref lost it with all the jumped up little cheating cocks week in week out, I’m genuinely surprised it’s taken so long.

I really feel for Drysdale, it appears like he’s being made an example of. Let’s not forget that if the players and fans actually had any respect for the referees incidents like this would never happen in the first place.

I would personally support the viewpoint that players should not be permitted to speak to the ref until spoken to and only captains should be permitted to speak to them during time when the ball is dead. Of course you’d get Stupidity from a lot of players ignoring the ref and having some “gamesmanship” (otherwise known as cheating) but you come to expect that from those players who lack brain cells to rub together.

Storm in a teacup.

Drysdale was wrong, but come on, talk of a long ban is way OTT.

Been coming for a long time now. The way some players speak to referees is disgraceful. I'm only surprised it's taken this long for a ref to retaliate.

I must say though, the way it's been covered, and the way some speak about the incident on here, you'd think the ref had kicked seven bells out of the player. Blown way out of all proportion.

looks like a pen to me. anywhere else on the pitch thats a foul.

Darthlaw wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:29 pm

A serious enough ban. As it so happens though, Drysdale didn't headbutt Judge and merely leaned in towards a much shorter man.

To utilise that rationale though, do you think there would be no repercussions if Referees used the type of language towards players that they receive, currently?

I think some referees do, others don't use the sort of language. No he didn't headbutt him but if Judge had done that to Drysdale then I'd expect a lengthy ban would be on the way.

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:38 pm

Been coming for a long time now. The way some players speak to referees is disgraceful. I'm only surprised it's taken this long for a ref to retaliate.

Been coming for a long time? Surprised it's taken this long?

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:53 pm

Been coming for a long time? Surprised it's taken this long?

Yes

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:58 pm

Yes

And then you agree with yourself, astonishing comments.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:00 pm

And then you agree with yourself, astonishing comments.

I'd argue it'd be more astonishing if I disagreed with myself.

claretandy wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:48 am

It will be an interesting match report!

I have just read the match report.

Let's just say the language used would be most certainly asterixed out in here.

Words questioning the referees integrity, his lack of hair and a 4 letter very abusive word for the non award of the pen.
He repeated it very aggressively as he got closer.
I am sure you can work it out. (Cue the guess the phrase contest coming up)

My main question is why not just show the red card?

At that level the match officials are almost expected to just get on with it and ignore.

I haven't seen the outcome.e as yet of the hearing.

Roll on microphones is all I can say.

Footballers give out more abuse than any profession I can think of.

Outcome was a backdated ban. He is now free to referee again

For anyone interested the important parts of what was said are on the attached tweet. I do not want anyone to repeat the words on this forum though as it will likely close the thread.

https://twitter.com/talksportdrive/stat ... 62343?s=21

Zlatan wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:51 pm

For anyone interested the important parts of what was said are on the attached tweet. I do not want anyone to repeat the words on this forum though as it will likely close the thread.

https://twitter.com/talksportdrive/stat ... 62343?s=21

Sensible Zlatan

dpinsussex wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 pm

Outcome was a backdated ban. He is now free to referee again

Hmm! be interesting if or when he next referees Ipswich wont it.

As for the verdict I think the FA have got it correct, no DD should not have reacted in the manner he did, but Judge isn't exactly innocent with his behaviour in this incident.

The attitude of players towards officials in general is a reflection of their lack of social skills and screaming and shouting abuse has become the normal. It really is beyond ridiculous especially when an innocuous throw given the correct way can lead to a torrent of foul mouth abuse.

RED CARD RED CARD RED CARD and it WOULD go away quickly.

A good referee, which Drysdale patently isn't, one of the worst I've ever seen in fact, would have sent Judge off for what he allegedly said. Judge denies saying that so there's a good chance Drysdale to be embellishing somewhat in an attempt to cover his back.

Surprises me a bit Drysdale didn't send Judge off for calling him a cheat.

I recall many years ago, a team mate asking a ref if he would be sent off for calling the ref a cheat, and the ref replied he would.

Player then asked the Ref if he would be sent off for thinking the Ref was a cheat. Ref replied he wouldn't. So player replied he'd just think it.

Times were different then.

Drysdale should have chinned him.

He used the two C words I would always send off for.

Like quoon said, it seems our Darren is stretching the truth somewhat.

If Ipswich do have audio evidence to back up Judge’s claims, then Drysdale would probably face even further repercussions, possibly even the sack.

He’s probably just made it a whole lot worse for himself.

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:46 am

Like quoon said, it seems our Darren is stretching the truth somewhat.

If Ipswich do have audio evidence to back up Judge’s claims, then Drysdale would probably face even further repercussions, possibly even the sack.

He’s probably just made it a whole lot worse for himself.

Could be a bluff by the player too.

I have had plenty of clubs say to me they had video evidence of foul tackles that resulted in red cards and they would appeal.
Guess how many actually did have the proof?

Yes you guessed - None

There's no reason for the player to bluff as he's not been charged with anything. It's fairly obvious Judge gave Drysdale a mouthful but not a mouthful that Drysdale judged terrible enough to send Judge off.

Instead Drysdale wanted to play the big hard army man and use "a posture of authority" rather than use actual authority he had and send him off. Total ********, he shouldn't be allowed to referee again.

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:42 pm

A good referee, which Drysdale patently isn't, one of the worst I've ever seen in fact, would have sent Judge off for what he allegedly said. Judge denies saying that so there's a good chance Drysdale to be embellishing somewhat in an attempt to cover his back.

I note dpinsussex was quick to defend Drysdale and condemn Judge but very interesting to see that Judge has denied it and says Ipswich Town have sound recordings to back him up.

Judge was very wrong with his finger wagging and also very wrong IF he said what Drysdale claims he did.

That’s the end of the matter I assume unless Ipswich and Judge choose to take action.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:10 pm

I note dpinsussex was quick to defend Drysdale and condemn Judge but very interesting to see that Judge has denied it and says Ipswich Town have sound recordings to back him up.

Judge was very wrong with his finger wagging and also very wrong IF he said what Drysdale claims he did.

That’s the end of the matter I assume unless Ipswich and Judge choose to take action.

Where have I defended Drysdale Tony?? Balanced perspective more like.

Well for a start you took the referees report as proof.

straight red for foul and abusive language for starters never mind the cheat comment

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:19 pm

Well for a start you took the referees report as proof.

Let's just say I have heard more lies from players trying to fool / deceive match officials and disciplinary panels than I care to remember .

All I quoted was what had been submitted to the FA. I never once said I believed what was in it.
What I have said is that if that was said there should have been a red card issued.

Referees do not suddenly lose the plot unless something very severe has happened.
Something happened to make him react like that.

Probability would favour the side of the match official.

If he did say what he is accused of then why wasn’t he sent off?

Did he forget about his red card?

dpinsussex wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:38 pm

All I quoted was what had been submitted to the FA. I never once said I believed what was in it.
What I have said is that if that was said there should have been a red card issued.

Which is entirely the point. His failure to issue a red card points to his description of what was said being not entirely true, otherwise he'd have sent Judge off rather than square up to him.

Trust me, I've seen enough referees reports that certainly don't tally with what actually happened to know that this does work both ways, but it's always the refs side the authorities back. (Mainly as there's money to be made that way)

And for what its worth, what Drysdale alleges Judge said certainly wouldn't have made me square up to him, unless I had a real attitude problem, like Drysdale clearly does. It's certainly not pleasant but it's really not enough to make you act like a 2 bit pub brawler, unless you're that way inclined of course.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:29 am

If he did say what he is accused of then why wasn’t he sent off?

Did he forget about his red card?

Absolutely - according to his evidence he's allowed a player to abuse him by using that sort of language and calling him a cheat without sending him off. That's shocking refereering. Will be very interesting if Ipswich Town now provide the audio evidence because should Drysdale have lied he should never be allowed on a football pitch again.