Dyche!

[ClaretTony]

Its a good point. At the end of the day watching football is supposed to be enjoyable, some of our fans seem to forget that...

It is supposed to be enjoyable and today very definitely wasn't. Having said that, had we been playing well and 1-0 up with half an hour to go I'd have been willing the final whistle to blow.

[bf2k]

We've got people dismissing our injury list, Dismissing the number of games, the fatigue in the players etc.

People are intentionally ignoring things that can affect how our players perform so they can then whinge about the game and yes that's actually really stupid.

Again, agree 1 or 2 are ignoring the fact we’ve injuries but does a bad injury list mean we have to play hoofball, when the week before we played fast flowing football in the ground...and won. Against 10 men were played static football. If that was the players it’s the managers problem to sort, but he didn’t. I didn’t see us trying to play fast flowing football today regardless of the mistakes.

[DomBFC1882]

They'd be the first to complain though if we become a mid table championship club or worse though.

The performances haven't been great, but there have been factors contributing to that.

Maybe you're right but who knows we'd be guessing.

I enjoy the debate and I understand both sides. Obviously emotions are high after 2 dreadful performances so it may look different in the morning but we can all agree that these 2 games have been diabolical

[DomBFC1882]

Again, agree 1 or 2 are ignoring the fact we’ve injuries but does a bad injury list mean we have to play hoofball, when the week before we played fast flowing football in the ground...and won. Against 10 men were played static football. If that was the players it’s the managers problem to sort, but he didn’t. I didn’t see us trying to play fast flowing football today regardless of the mistakes.

Great point

[dandeclaret]

Its a good point. At the end of the day watching football is supposed to be enjoyable, some of our fans seem to forget that...

It was enjoyable against palace and this board was like a ghost town. As soon as there’s something to whinge about though, the board is rammed. It’s a bit bizarre.

[Stalbansclaret]

There is some serious drama on this thread. I suspected we’d struggle today given the fixture scheduling (relative to WBA’s) and the injuries (and that was before I knew Barnes was out). We were indeed terrible and Dyche’s post match interview clearly indicates he thought so too. The man had zero options available to pick any other team... unless anyone thinks Bardsley replacing Lowton would have transformed us. We looked all out of gas and sometimes there is pretty much nothing the manager can do. But we didn’t lose and thankfully now have a week to recover.

[dandeclaret]

Again, agree 1 or 2 are ignoring the fact we’ve injuries but does a bad injury list mean we have to play hoofball, when the week before we played fast flowing football in the ground...and won. Against 10 men were played static football. If that was the players it’s the managers problem to sort, but he didn’t. I didn’t see us trying to play fast flowing football today regardless of the mistakes.

Do you think they sit there and go.... let’s lump it today lads, or maybe toss a coin and see what it comes down on? The game dictates the play, today wasn’t hoofball was it? I didn’t see them try and drop long diagonals into centre forwards? They just couldn’t pass it to each other.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Again, agree 1 or 2 are ignoring the fact we’ve injuries but does a bad injury list mean we have to play hoofball, when the week before we played fast flowing football in the ground...and won. Against 10 men were played static football. If that was the players it’s the managers problem to sort, but he didn’t. I didn’t see us trying to play fast flowing football today regardless of the mistakes.

Since 9th of Jan we've played a game every 3-5 days, usually 3, but it's 13 games in 6 weeks.
The players bodies aren't able to recover properly in that time.
Chuck in Covid, lockdowns, injuries and travelling etc and of course at some point I'd expect our players to be knackered and unable to perform to a decent standard.
Dyche hasn't got a full squad to pick from so he's doing the best he can with what we've got.

We've got 8 day off now and we get a couple of weeks off at the end of March.

Let's see how we are for the next game.

[Walkerpool]

It was very important that we didn't lose. We didn't lose. Another point towards our target and another couple we denied our opponent of is the way I see it.

If 3 games ago I was offered 1 win and 2 draws I'd of been happy but anyone who enjoys this football is deluded.Now who's to blame I Hope the new owners back Dyche in the transfer market because I think we need to spend around 130 million obviously that with us selling Pope and Tarks.

[bf2k]

It was enjoyable against palace and this board was like a ghost town. As soon as there’s something to whinge about though, the board is rammed. It’s a bit bizarre.

This is 2 different issues. We have fans who like to whinge (well every clubs have fans like that). That’s not what the issue is he. However, those of us who know the game and have a level head can see our managers tactics haven’t been the best. Yet with a similar squad we played faster football against Palace and destroyed them.

[ksrclaret]

Aye, it was indeed rammed on here this evening, I was waiting outside for about 15 minutes, and when I finally did get in we were shoulder to shoulder.

Contrast that with last week and I was in and out with no bother. Lots of moaning about Jurgen Klopp though, which was the downside of the lack of traffic.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

A large chunk of those players who started against Palace have played 3 games in a week...

[bfcmik]

Any reason why you didn't post this last Saturday after the win at Crystal Palace? It's the same manager, it's the same previous board and it's the same recruitment team. No, we've played badly so let's have a go and see who we can blame this week.

As Sean Dyche says, last week's game is already parked and we have moved on. This was our 2nd game since that well praised performance.

I would not like to see SD depart, he has done, and no doubt will continue to do, a great job both in terms of maintaining our PL status with a limited squad and in developing the club and it's players towards their potential.

[dandeclaret]

This is 2 different issues. We have fans who like to whinge (well every clubs have fans like that). That’s not what the issue is he. However, those of us who know the game and have a level head can see our managers tactics haven’t been the best. Yet with a similar squad we played faster football against Palace and destroyed them.

It wasn’t similar was it? Didn’t 2 out if 4 attacking positions change? Brownhill and Vydra in? Changes the whole attacking dynamic surely.

[bf2k]

Since 9th of Jan we've played a game every 3-5 days, usually 3, but it's 13 games in 6 weeks.
The players bodies aren't able to recover properly in that time.
Chuck in Covid, lockdowns, injuries and travelling etc and of course at some point I'd expect our players to be knackered and unable to perform to a decent standard.
Dyche hasn't got a full squad to pick from so he's doing the best he can with what we've got.

We've got 8 day off now and we get a couple of weeks off at the end of March.

Let's see how we are for the next game.

True but that’s the same for every team.

Let’s see where we are against Spurs and of the tactics are similar to Palace, because we can play that way effectively against the vast majority of teams. Play like we did today we’ll not win because we’re not creating chances. Zero shots means you won’t win most final matches.

[boatshed bill]

Since 9th of Jan we've played a game every 3-5 days, usually 3, but it's 13 games in 6 weeks.
The players bodies aren't able to recover properly in that time.
Chuck in Covid, lockdowns, injuries and travelling etc and of course at some point I'd expect our players to be knackered and unable to perform to a decent standard.
Dyche hasn't got a full squad to pick from so he's doing the best he can with what we've got.

We've got 8 day off now and we get a couple of weeks off at the end of March.

Let's see how we are for the next game.

So our threadbare, aging tired squad is in no way at all down to Sean Dyche?
Plenty have pointed out that the policy of buying "seasoned" professionals would backfire one day. hopefully we'll get through, but a change in recruitment policy has to be a priority. we need young, "hungry" players in.
Look at Allardyce's use of the loan market to freshen his West Brom squad; couldn't we have picked up a couple of loans, if only to strengthen the bench?

[bf2k]

It wasn’t similar was it? Didn’t 2 out if 4 attacking positions change? Brownhill and Vydra in? Changes the whole attacking dynamic surely.

Brownhill yes but Vydra and Jay got no service so it wouldn’t have mattered if Barnes was playing we created nothing.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Agreed, but there’s no way we don’t strengthen this summer, it would look terrible from the new owners, and also it doesn’t take a genius to see that we are now ml stretched than ever.

We literally just went through our first transfer window in over 6 years without signing player. I don’t think the new owners really care how they look.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

True but that’s the same for every team.

Let’s see where we are against Spurs and of the tactics are similar to Palace, because we can play that way effectively against the vast majority of teams. Play like we did today we’ll not win because we’re not creating chances. Zero shots means you won’t win most final matches.

This was WBA's 4th game since Feb 2nd.

This was our 6th game since Feb 3rd.

It makes a difference.

[evensteadiereddie]

A bit early yet to be writing off the new owners. Mind you, Dyche and the team seem to have been by some of our "fans" so, yes, why not ?

[bf2k]

This was WBA's 4th game since Feb 2nd.

This was our 6th game since Feb 3rd.

It makes a difference.

But West Brom are sh!t even before the sending off we played hoofball

[box_of_frogs]

A large chunk of those players who started against Palace have played 3 games in a week...

My heart bleeds for them. These professionals must be so tired after 270 mins work in a week.

[KRBFC]

They want Howe or Coyle style football, KRBFC has always been very clear about that for years now.

Some of them on here would happily accept relegation if we are playing attacking football with lots of goals at both ends.

Coyle football is the dream, Coyle and Dyche aren't even comparable though, Coyles entire squad cost less than Brady.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

So our threadbare, aging tired squad is in no way at all down to Sean Dyche?
Plenty have pointed out that the policy of buying "seasoned" professionals would backfire one day. hopefully we'll get through, but a change in recruitment policy has to be a priority. we need young, "hungry" players in.
Look at Allardyce's use of the loan market to freshen his West Brom squad; couldn't we have picked up a couple of loans, if only to strengthen the bench?

If our players are having to play 3 games in a week due to injuries building up, then we can blame Dyche, previous owners, current owners, Covid and the computer programme that creates the fixture list.

Let's not forget the Fulham game was shoehorned in, other wise the squad could've had a week between this and Palace.

WBA lose money for fun, have done for years and will continue to do so even if they stay up, incase you hadn't noticed, we don't.
Last I checked those signings hasn't made them any better either

[GodIsADeeJay81]

My heart bleeds for them. These professionals must be so tired after 270 mins work in a week.

Now this is an example of a stupid post yet I'm the one getting called out for saying so.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

But West Brom are sh!t even before the sending off we played hoofball

McNeil is knackered, JBG and Brady injured.
That's our 3 most creative players.
Vydra didn't turn up.

[djemba-djemba]

This was WBA's 4th game since Feb 2nd.

This was our 6th game since Feb 3rd.

It makes a difference.

I’d get it if the team started to look a bit lacklustre after 70 minutes against 11 men.

They looked lacklustre from the off and played an hour with a man extra.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I’d get it if the team started to look a bit lacklustre after 70 minutes against 11 men.

They looked lacklustre from the off and played an hour with a man extra.

It's generally acknowledged that it's harder to play against 10 men, always been the case.

It's probably harder when the team is fatigued before the game has even started.

[Goodclaret]

Chelsea- poor
Man City - poor
Brighton - poor until they scored but we don’t finish them off
Bournemouth- poor
Palace - superb
Fulham - poor
West Brom - woeful

So not so untrue really

Ok, my first point would be you chose to start the poor run of form just after two consecutive wins against Villa and Liverpool. It's almost as though you couldn't include those, extremely important, 6 points as it went against your negative outlook?! This also highlights why you should look at the bigger picture, you know, maybe where you are over a season. Burnley will always have tough runs in this league for the obvious reasons mentioned a million times.

So, we now move on to your selected fixtures.

Chelsea - you can just say poor if you want - I will say playing against one of the most expensive squads in the league with a new manager in charge
City - again, you say poor - I say playing THE best team in this league by a country mile
Brighton - not poor at all - created a number of chances and really should have won
Bournemouth - I agree, poor, but almost a fully changed team. I will still agree with the poor assessment
Palace - yes, agreed, we were brilliant
Fulham - you say poor - I say a good first half, a lacklustre second half against a team absolutely desperate for points
West Brom - agreed, very, very poor but, again, I look at the playing conditions, only having 11 players to realistically choose from and the fact a point is better for us than West Brom

So, when reviewing games, maybe it's a little better to not generalise based on a particular result but have a look at each game in a bit more detail. That's how I look at it. I don't go overboard when we win but don't want the manager sacking after a poor performance.

[bf2k]

Now this is an example of a stupid post yet I'm the one getting called out for saying so.

2 ex footballers on TalkSPORT today (forget who but one was an ex women’s footballer) said players will be loving this game after game scenario. They’d rather pay than train and I can believe that.

[boatshed bill]

If our players are having to play 3 games in a week due to injuries building up, then we can blame Dyche, previous owners, current owners, Covid and the computer programme that creates the fixture list.

Let's not forget the Fulham game was shoehorned in, other wise the squad could've had a week between this and Palace.

WBA lose money for fun, have done for years and will continue to do so even if they stay up, incase you hadn't noticed, we don't.
Last I checked those signings hasn't made them any better either

Point completely missed, a couple of loans would have helped us.
We just lost something like £60m without even buying anyone.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Ok, my first point would be you chose to start the poor run of form just after two consecutive wins against Villa and Liverpool. It's almost as though you couldn't include those, extremely important, 6 points as it went against your negative outlook?! This also highlights why you should look at the bigger picture, you know, maybe where you are over a season. Burnley will always have tough runs in this league for the obvious reasons mentioned a million times.

So, we now move on to your selected fixtures.

Chelsea - you can just say poor if you want - I will say playing against one of the most expensive squads in the league with a new manager in charge
City - again, you say poor - I say playing THE best team in this league by a country mile
Brighton - not poor at all - created a number of chances and really should have won
Bournemouth - I agree, poor, but almost a fully changed team. I will still agree with the poor assessment
Palace - yes, agreed, we were brilliant
Fulham - you say poor - I say a good first half, a lacklustre second half against a team absolutely desperate for points
West Brom - agreed, very, very poor but, again, I look at the playing conditions, only having 11 players to realistically choose from and the fact a point is better for us than West Brom

So, when reviewing games, maybe it's a little better to not generalise based on a particular result but have a look at each game in a bit more detail. That's how I look at it. I don't go overboard when we win but don't want the manager sacking after a poor performance.

To be fair our performances against liverpool and villa were still poor. Just a couple of fluke results

[GodIsADeeJay81]

2 ex footballers on TalkSPORT today (forget who but one was an ex women’s footballer) said players will be loving this game after game scenario. They’d rather pay than train and I can believe that.

Under normal circumstances they probably would, but this isn't a normal season.

[bf2k]

Ok, my first point would be you chose to start the poor run of form just after two consecutive wins against Villa and Liverpool. It's almost as though you couldn't include those, extremely important, 6 points as it went against your negative outlook?! This also highlights why you should look at the bigger picture, you know, maybe where you are over a season. Burnley will always have tough runs in this league for the obvious reasons mentioned a million times.

So, we now move on to your selected fixtures.

Chelsea - you can just say poor if you want - I will say playing against one of the most expensive squads in the league with a new manager in charge
City - again, you say poor - I say playing THE best team in this league by a country mile
Brighton - not poor at all - created a number of chances and really should have won
Bournemouth - I agree, poor, but almost a fully changed team. I will still agree with the poor assessment
Palace - yes, agreed, we were brilliant
Fulham - you say poor - I say a good first half, a lacklustre second half against a team absolutely desperate for points
West Brom - agreed, very, very poor but, again, I look at the playing conditions, only having 11 players to realistically choose from and the fact a point is better for us than West Brom

So, when reviewing games, maybe it's a little better to not generalise based on a particular result but have a look at each game in a bit more detail. That's how I look at it. I don't go overboard when we win but don't want the manager sacking after a poor performance.

That’s how you generally start analysing a run of form but Ok then 3 good performance out of 9. Or shall we go right back to the start of the season? Silly.

And at what point have I said sack him? I don’t think anyone had said sack him. Just want better.

Then you say we’ve to take into consideration the Liverpool and Villa results but dismiss Chelsea and Man City because they are far better teams??? Make your mind up on the criteria here.

[Cirrus_Minor]

We played very poorly against 10 men of team that looks odds on for relegation. We were lucky not to have been beaten. The passing, organisation and energy was lacking today.

I am not going to make excuses for the manager, but the inevitable clamour against Dyche is boring. We never heard any of this when manager gets wins at Liverpool or Arsenal or Manchester United, or home wins against Villa and Wolves.

We are still in a reasonable position to avoid relegation in spite of lack of recruitment and a lot of injuries. I certainly wouldn’t advise or see any reason why we should be changing the manager.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Point completely missed, a couple of loans would have helped us.
We just lost something like £60m without even buying anyone.

This is the part where I say which players or for what position...

Like I said WBA are no better off for making those signings, they still can't win games, they've won once since the beginning of Jan, against Wolves.

[boatshed bill]

2 ex footballers on TalkSPORT today (forget who but one was an ex women’s footballer) said players will be loving this game after game scenario. They’d rather pay than train and I can believe that.

Was that in the same conversation when an ex player said that players want to play every game and don't want to be rested?

[dandeclaret]

Brownhill yes but Vydra and Jay got no service so it wouldn’t have mattered if Barnes was playing we created nothing.

Maybe Barnes and wood give a base to play off, whereas Jay and Vydra don’t? Is that what you’re calling hoofball though?

[boatshed bill]

This is the part where I say which players or for what position...

Like I said WBA are no better off for making those signings, they still can't win games, they've won once since the beginning of Jan, against Wolves.

Conor Gallagher and Ainsley Maitland-Niles would have been great loans for us.

[bf2k]

Was that in the same conversation when an ex player said that players want to play every game and don't want to be rested?

Yes

[Newcastleclaret93]

This is the part where I say which players or for what position...

Like I said WBA are no better off for making those signings, they still can't win games, they've won once since the beginning of Jan, against Wolves.

Yes but in the managers eyes they are in a better position.

Willock, maitland niles would have added something to our squad

[bf2k]

Maybe Barnes and wood give a base to play off, whereas Jay and Vydra don’t? Is that what you’re calling hoofball though?

Possibly but hasn’t in many matches this season.

Hoofball are the aimless punts up field that end up in the possession of the opposition. Hoofball against defenders like today didn’t work. Hoofball in conditions like today didn’t work.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Conor Gallagher and Ainsley Maitland-Niles would have been great loans for us.

Maitland-Niles wanted more game time, historically we don't give much game time to loans and if JBG and Brady had remained fit, that would've been the case.

Gallagher - Chelsea stipulate that their loaned out players get a certain amount of game time.
Again, that goes against us unfortunately and if our wingers were fit, Brownhill would be playing Central mid.

[DomBFC1882]

Maybe Barnes and wood give a base to play off, whereas Jay and Vydra don’t? Is that what you’re calling hoofball though?

A base to play off

Playing it on the floor gives you a base to play off. How do you think city, Chelsea, Fulham, etc play

[Stacky_claret]

This was WBA's 4th game since Feb 2nd.

This was our 6th game since Feb 3rd.

It makes a difference.

That’s equivalent to 6 consecutive games every 2.8...days and it showed today

[Goodclaret]

To be fair our performances against liverpool and villa were still poor. Just a couple of fluke results

Ha ha, that's brilliant. As if you need any more evidence of how you wish to stick to your preconceived views. Wins are "flukes" but draws and losses are due to bad management. No arguing with that really.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Maitland-Niles wanted more game time, historically we don't give much game time to loans and if JBG and Brady had remained fit, that would've been the case.

Gallagher - Chelsea stipulate that their loaned out players get a certain amount of game time.
Again, that goes against us unfortunately and if our wingers were fit, Brownhill would be playing Central mid.

I’m sorry but if Brownhill is starting CM in the prem over either of them than something is wrong.

[dandeclaret]

A base to play off

Playing it on the floor gives you a base to play off. How do you think city, Chelsea, Fulham, etc play

Well, Chelsea and Man City with their Billion pound squads ply very good football, as you’d expect. Fulham???? Really??? Bizarre. Your mate Vydra has been more effective in the prem than Fulham.

[warksclaret]

I have to wonder what sort of coaching/team talk goes on during the game and half time when you see Westwood in particular trying to hit a cross in the "vicinty" of Vydra in their penalty area, surrounded by half a dozen Albion players. To make it worse the crosses not even being head height

[boatshed bill]

Maitland-Niles wanted more game time, historically we don't give much game time to loans and if JBG and Brady had remained fit, that would've been the case.

Gallagher - Chelsea stipulate that their loaned out players get a certain amount of game time.
Again, that goes against us unfortunately and if our wingers were fit, Brownhill would be playing Central mid.

And none of that is down to the way Sean Dyche runs the squad?
Gallagher should have had little trouble getting into our side,
Maitland-Niles perhaps not so much.
But if our players are so tired then players capable of rotation would have had plenty of opportunity.