Dyche!

[Jakubclaret]

It's effective though, even you must see that.

It is I don’t think anybody could argue with that it’ll guarantee the points for this season, but some people are getting fed up & would like to see fresh ideas more expansive football, I think some people realise changing what’s already established will upset the Apple cart, to some people stopping in the PL is not the be all & end all in life. Some people would prefer a completely different approach & if relegation was to happen at least let’s entertain, the money men will see things completely different to the fans so i understand why things are the way there are.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It is in a just about enough kind of way but we are stuck in a rut which is becoming bigger and bigger.

Something has to change.

It has changed, it just needs time to settle down and see what happens.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It is I don’t think anybody could argue with that it’ll guarantee the points for this season, but some people are getting fed up & would like to see fresh ideas more expansive football, I think some people realise changing what’s already established will upset the Apple cart, to some people stopping in the PL is not the be all & end all in life. Some people would prefer a completely different approach & if relegation was to happen at least let’s entertain, the money men will see things completely different to the fans so i understand why things are the way there are.

Maybe the problem is the lack of financial knowledge, or forgetting how close we got to going really downhill in Dyche's first season.

I've already gone over how it's an odd season, the number of games we've played in a short period of time etc.

We've got new owners, we now need to let them get settled and on with the job in hand.

[Jakubclaret]

Maybe the problem is the lack of financial knowledge, or forgetting how close we got to going really downhill in Dyche's first season.

I've already gone over how it's an odd season, the number of games we've played in a short period of time etc.

We've got new owners, we now need to let them get settled and on with the job in hand.

I know that I understand the reasons why things are the way there are with the style of football we offer, it doesn’t mean it’s exciting quite the opposite, it is what it is & it keeps the suits happy.

[SalisburyClaret]

Amazed that people complain about the ‘style’ of football we play. It’s the equivalent of not liking the colour of our socks.

[Jakubclaret]

Amazed that people complain about the ‘style’ of football we play. It’s the equivalent of not liking the colour of our socks.

Difference being somethings are optional & somethings aren’t, cue the usual responses of go & support another team when it’s not really something you want or should do, it’s not a unique criticism it’s valid & growing.

[2510]

I thought I’d be the first to get a silly post in but actually this possibly isn’t that silly. He has to be held responsible for these utter pathetic performances.

Yet another game with no shots on target. Pathetic football. 1 change on the 85th minute. Yet again poor use of his bench.

How much longer can this continue?

Some will point to lack of choices but these are excuses. This game, Brighton, Bournemouth and Fulham were woeful and should have all been wins.

Arsenal - Liverpool(Away) should all have been losses then? ( I suppose you've never had a bad day?)

One bad day and the naysayers pile onto this website.

Cant understand all this moaning about our manager.

I understand all are entitled to their opinion but remember opinions are like ars****s, just about everyone has one.

[buzzclarets79]

Let’s say we survive this year, we should. What happens next season? Tarks probably leaving for reasonable money so one our best players is leaving, our recruitment has been non existent for years now, we need a major overhaul of this ageing squad which I just can’t see happening. So we survive this year but I do fear for next season already, can see us being just like Sheffield Utd this year.

[jrgbfc]

Amazed that people complain about the ‘style’ of football we play. It’s the equivalent of not liking the colour of our socks.

But as someone pointed out yesterday if the result is all that matters why bother attending or watching our games on TV? May as well just check the score online at 5 o clock.

[Right_winger]

Amazed that people complain about the ‘style’ of football we play. It’s the equivalent of not liking the colour of our socks.

Oh my my it’s really not though is it?

Maybe for the hardcore fans who happy clap regardless, but our club like every other club has a small percentage of hardcore fans ( which seem to be vastly over represented on here) The biggest percentage of fans are casual supporters, those who have other interests in their life and when going on to support their team want to be able to enjoy the game.

Going by your username did you travel from Salisbury to the turf every other week to watch us? Would you make that journey knowing that the football on offer is turgid, boring and just not entertaining? Think we know the answer.

[Right_winger]

But as someone pointed out yesterday if the result is all that matters why bother attending or watching our games on TV? May as well just check the score online at 5 o clock.

Shhh you can’t say things like that. Bringing up a valid argument to counter a happy clapper.

But your right. Checking the score at 5 o clock you won’t have missed anything anyway. Maybe the club could spice up our highlights a little bit with a 60s Batman theme.. every time we have the ball and kick it the little graphics could pop up with,,, woosh, hoof, punt, bash, biff


Etc etc.

[dandeclaret]

I think it's absolutely right to demand entertainment when you're competing on a level playing field.

When you're achieving results way above what can be reasonably expected, providing finances that allow all aspects of the club to continue to move forwards, then the result is all that matters.

Last time Burnley were on a level-ish playing field, they went 23 games unbeaten and were the top scorers in the championship. Seems pretty entertaining to me.

Surely nobody can be advocating a return to our natural level though, in order to play exciting football.... can they?

And if you're going to say that Burnley should play exciting football in the prem, then please provide examples of clubs with a similar available budget to Burnley, that have been successful at it.

[Les Lawrence]

Why don't we sign loan players?If Dyche doesn't like them why not?Do your scouting get a loan players in who fit in to our way of playing.Extra bodies in,and no big fee just wages

[dandeclaret]

Why don't we sign loan players?If Dyche doesn't like them why not?Do your scouting get a loan players in who fit in to our way of playing.Extra bodies in,and no big fee just wages

Loans quite often have significant loan fees involved as well as wages.

[SalisburyClaret]

Oh my my it’s really not though is it?

Maybe for the hardcore fans who happy clap regardless, but our club like every other club has a small percentage of hardcore fans ( which seem to be vastly over represented on here) The biggest percentage of fans are casual supporters, those who have other interests in their life and when going on to support their team want to be able to enjoy the game.

Going by your username did you travel from Salisbury to the turf every other week to watch us? Would you make that journey knowing that the football on offer is turgid, boring and just not entertaining? Think we know the answer.

Then you’d be wrong - season ticket holder for more decades than I like to remember. I’m entertained every time I watch us, some more than others to be fair, but there are always sublime moments that make a match memorable - the build up to our goal the other night for example. Style of football - I like what I see, I don’t want to see a Centre Back play to another Centre Back who then passes it back.

[Les Lawrence]

No loans cos of no money then.I get it now.Weve needed a right winger for 2 seasons,pretty nailed on Gudmonnson and Brady would get injured at some point,sure we have afforded someone for a season loan

[KRBFC]

I think it's absolutely right to demand entertainment when you're competing on a level playing field.

6 years of PL Football, £700M income and we pass the football like a League One level side.

[dandeclaret]

£700m income sounds a lot doesn't it..... until you consider there's clubs with owner investment that trumps that no problem. Teams have off days, but if you think we pass like a league one side, then you've lost all perspective.

[Right_winger]

£700m income sounds a lot doesn't it..... until you consider there's clubs with owner investment that trumps that no problem. Teams have off days, but if you think we pass like a league one side, then you've lost all perspective.

It is a lot, and compared to every other league in world football it is a lot.

We just decided to spunk it on old British hasbeens.

[bf2k]

Arsenal - Liverpool(Away) should all have been losses then? ( I suppose you've never had a bad day?)

One bad day and the naysayers pile onto this website.

Cant understand all this moaning about our manager.

I understand all are entitled to their opinion but remember opinions are like ars****s, just about everyone has one.

Utter tripe. You’ve read what you want to read not what I’ve said. Bad days at the office are one offs. Continual ones are poor tactics. We do have the players to play tactics other than long aimless balls. Look at Palace game

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It is a lot, and compared to every other league in world football it is a lot.

We just decided to spunk it on old British hasbeens.

No you're talking utter rubbish.

[KRBFC]

£700m income sounds a lot doesn't it..... until you consider there's clubs with owner investment that trumps that no problem. Teams have off days, but if you think we pass like a league one side, then you've lost all perspective.

We regularly get played off the park by lower level teams, our ball retention is non existent.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Lower level teams who raise their game for that single match.
Nothing new in football.

[bf2k]

Lower level teams who raise their game for that single match.
Nothing new in football.

Come on! We must be the easiest team to defend against in the top flight. Long singles balls up to two isolated strikers didn’t work and hasn’t worked all season (actually for about 2 seasons). Yet we sometimes play like we did against Palace and it works.

We’re never going to play teams of the park like Liverpool, City, but it’s very difficult to win or draw matches when you don’t have any shots on target which usually comes about because we don’t have enough of the ball in the right areas.

[Les Lawrence]

Blame the manager for our recruitment.Dishing out contracts to the players aged 30+,where are the young players bought to replace the aging ones.Bought Gibson fell out with him,why?Now we have to look to buy Tarkys replacement on the cheap.Is Rigg still at club,must have the easiest job in football

[Chester Perry]

Come on! We must be the easiest team to defend against in the top flight.

The number of consecutive seasons in the top flight would suggest that is patently untrue, our methods are known, rarely differ yet we are still there knock 10 or more wins every season, often against teams that lose/struggle against us every season

[Leisure]

You know I’m missing the away trips!

Do you want me to book you on for the 1st away game?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Come on! We must be the easiest team to defend against in the top flight. Long singles balls up to two isolated strikers didn’t work and hasn’t worked all season (actually for about 2 seasons). Yet we sometimes play like we did against Palace and it works.

We’re never going to play teams of the park like Liverpool, City, but it’s very difficult to win or draw matches when you don’t have any shots on target which usually comes about because we don’t have enough of the ball in the right areas.

City are the only team we haven't beaten in the top flight under Dyche I think.
Pretty sure we've done everyone else and besides, playing a team off the park doesn't equate to wins, ask Villa after they played us off the park and still didn't take 3 points.

[joey13]

City are the only team we haven't beaten in the top flight under Dyche I think.
Pretty sure we've done everyone else and besides, playing a team off the park doesn't equate to wins, ask Villa after they played us off the park and still didn't take 3 points.

We’ve beat City

[GodIsADeeJay81]

We’ve beat City

I've become so used to losing by a decent number of goals I'd forgotten that one

[Leisure]

Spectacularly missing the point. The squad we have is down to manager, it’s his squad.

As for playing any better, we easily play the worst football in the league and have done for a number of years. We couldn’t do much worse. I haven’t seen much worse than what we regularly play under Dyche.

Of course it's his squad but he can only add/change it with money to buy players, has he had that? Also, if a new manager came in he would still have to manage with that squad and I'm not sure whoever that person is that they would get us playing better/more attractive football but when Dyche goes then we'll see.

[Jakubclaret]

I think it's absolutely right to demand entertainment when you're competing on a level playing field.

When you're achieving results way above what can be reasonably expected, providing finances that allow all aspects of the club to continue to move forwards, then the result is all that matters.

Last time Burnley were on a level-ish playing field, they went 23 games unbeaten and were the top scorers in the championship. Seems pretty entertaining to me.

Surely nobody can be advocating a return to our natural level though, in order to play exciting football.... can they?

And if you're going to say that Burnley should play exciting football in the prem, then please provide examples of clubs with a similar available budget to Burnley, that have been successful at it.

Clearly missed the point it’s not about being successful or not successful it’s about having a good time, looking at the league 1 I see Blackpool are 7pt off the playoffs with at least a couple of games in hand so potentially next season there could have been 3 Lancs derby games or getting our arses spanked on a regular basis from the likes of Man City might be preferable to some people if you consider that more exciting fair dos, we can hold our own with lots of sides in the league but it’s becoming more of a grind. it’s all good & well & true what you are saying about the finances but this only benefits the average fan if the money is invested back in rather than just to balance the books.

[Leisure]

Sam Allardyce managed to instruct the worst team in the league, who struggle defensively, with only 10 men, to totally shut us out, nullify us to no shots on target, and still create 2 golden chances to win the game.

So I'd say a different manager would and could have approached it differently.

Swap McNeil and Brownhill, go 433, try 352 or 343

And if so many were having really bad off days, make a sub FFS
Benson has starts to his name, I'm sure he could have at least run around for 25 mins looking busy and putting sum urgency into it.
If Brownhill was struggling out wide, put Lowton further up and bring Bardles on.
Just try something.

Instead we sat in then hoof after hoof hoping for some luck or a mistake somewhere, and were fortunate to scrape a point

Yes, he could have tried something, brought Benson on etc etc but with the way they were playing, he possibly decided that no matter who he brought on wouldn't improve things. Who knows but surely you're not saying that Dyche wouldn't make changes (other than bringing on Mumbongo) if he truly thought that by doing so would improve things?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Clearly missed the point it’s not about being successful or not successful it’s about having a good time, looking at the league 1 I see Blackpool are 7pt off the playoffs with at least a couple of games in hand so potentially next season there could have been 3 Lancs derby games or getting our arses spanked on a regular basis from the likes of Man City might be preferable to some people if you consider that more exciting fair dos, we can hold our own with lots of sides in the league but it’s becoming more of a grind. it’s all good & well & true what you are saying about the finances but this only benefits the average fan if the money is invested back in rather than just to balance the books.

It's always going to be a grind in the PL, it is for 80% of the clubs the majority of the time.
We get the odd season where someone might rock the boat a little, but long term its usually the same.

We could drop into the championship, but how long do you think we'd last in there without a promotion?

[claretspice]

Clearly missed the point it’s not about being successful or not successful it’s about having a good time, looking at the league 1 I see Blackpool are 7pt off the playoffs with at least a couple of games in hand so potentially next season there could have been 3 Lancs derby games or getting our arses spanked on a regular basis from the likes of Man City might be preferable to some people if you consider that more exciting fair dos, we can hold our own with lots of sides in the league but it’s becoming more of a grind. it’s all good & well & true what you are saying about the finances but this only benefits the average fan if the money is invested back in rather than just to balance the books.

And this is generally how it ends for supporters of clubs like ours.

We spent years being just outside the play-offs in the bottom two divisions, dreaming of being an established top flight team again. And now here we are, a week after winning 3-0 away at Crystal Palace on a day when we should have scored more, with folk grumbling that actually they'd rather be back down there.

We will be one day, and people will pine for the days when in barely 12 months we won league games at Manchester United, Arsenal and Liverpool (aka the defending Champions), were beating the likes of Villa 3-2 and so on and so on. Then with the perspective that comes with distance, they might reflect that they got a bit carried away on the back of one really poor performance on a difficult pitch, in a howling gale against obstinate opponents, with a patched up and unfamiliar team in the midst of as severe an injury crisis as most of us can remember.

[dandeclaret]

Come on! We must be the easiest team to defend against in the top flight. Long singles balls up to two isolated strikers didn’t work and hasn’t worked all season (actually for about 2 seasons). Yet we sometimes play like we did against Palace and it works.

We’re never going to play teams of the park like Liverpool, City, but it’s very difficult to win or draw matches when you don’t have any shots on target which usually comes about because we don’t have enough of the ball in the right areas.

Didn't work, but the team finished 10th? It's just utter nonsense.

[bf2k]

Sorry but in my opinion the long ball football we’ve been playing doesn’t work. It did at first but the last few seasons it hasn’t. The football showcased against Palace, for example, does work and when we’ve played like this over the last few seasons, in the main, it has worked. I wouldn’t call that petty football like Norwich or Fulham try to play but it’s effective. We also rarely see a mixture of tactics during a game. If one isn’t working we persevere instead of changing it up.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Sorry but in my opinion the long ball football we’ve been playing doesn’t work. It did at first but the last few seasons it hasn’t. The football showcased against Palace, for example, does work and when we’ve played like this over the last few seasons, in the main, it has worked. I wouldn’t call that petty football like Norwich or Fulham try to play but it’s effective. We also rarely see a mixture of tactics during a game. If one isn’t working we persevere instead of changing it up.

What would you have done differently last night then?

Taking into consideration the condition of the players, injury list etc.

[dandeclaret]

Sorry but in my opinion the long ball football we’ve been playing doesn’t work. It did at first but the last few seasons it hasn’t. The football showcased against Palace, for example, does work and when we’ve played like this over the last few seasons, in the main, it has worked. I wouldn’t call that petty football like Norwich or Fulham try to play but it’s effective. We also rarely see a mixture of tactics during a game. If one isn’t working we persevere instead of changing it up.

In what way is it not working (for 2 seasons) when the team finished 10th last year?. I've said this before, but you seem to think they choose - shall we hoof it (play long into the front 2) or play like we did at Palace. It just doesn't work like that. They play mixed football, and when they can.

[claretspice]

Sorry but in my opinion the long ball football we’ve been playing doesn’t work. It did at first but the last few seasons it hasn’t. The football showcased against Palace, for example, does work and when we’ve played like this over the last few seasons, in the main, it has worked. I wouldn’t call that petty football like Norwich or Fulham try to play but it’s effective. We also rarely see a mixture of tactics during a game. If one isn’t working we persevere instead of changing it up.

So - to be clear - you think the evidence is that sometimes, Dyche has gone out to play one way, it has worked, and sometimes, he's set us up to play the other way, and it hasn't, but you think he's decided to go with the latter regardless?

I'm sorry but that's just weird. Perhaps the more plausible explanation is that Dyche would generally like us to play decent, mixed stuff like we did at Palace, but sometimes the opposition, the conditions and our own injuries/fatigue/shortcomings get in the way.

[kentonclaret]

Much is being made of the injury list to try and excuse a shocking display. But towards the end of last season we also had injuries with 2 goalkeepers and youngsters sitting on the bench exposing the lack of depth in our squad. Two transfer windows have passed since then with no effort or investment made to address the problem. Failures by the manager and owners of the club are the architects of our current predicament. No real surprise that fatigue takes it's toll on certain players when no positive steps are ever made to freshen up the squad or improve squad depth.

[Grumps]

And this is generally how it ends for supporters of clubs like ours.

We spent years being just outside the play-offs in the bottom two divisions, dreaming of being an established top flight team again. And now here we are, a week after winning 3-0 away at Crystal Palace on a day when we should have scored more, with folk grumbling that actually they'd rather be back down there.

We will be one day, and people will pine for the days when in barely 12 months we won league games at Manchester United, Arsenal and Liverpool (aka the defending Champions), were beating the likes of Villa 3-2 and so on and so on. Then with the perspective that comes with distance, they might reflect that they got a bit carried away on the back of one really poor performance on a difficult pitch, in a howling gale against obstinate opponents, with a patched up and unfamiliar team in the midst of as severe an injury crisis as most of us can remember.

Thanks for some wise words amongst a barrage of childish overreaction.

[MACCA]

Yes, he could have tried something, brought Benson on etc etc but with the way they were playing, he possibly decided that no matter who he brought on wouldn't improve things. Who knows but surely you're not saying that Dyche wouldn't make changes (other than bringing on Mumbongo) if he truly thought that by doing so would improve things?

He settled for the point, didnt go for the win.
Its exactly what I've been saying, he was happy as it was and the point that was there.

I think if WBA would have scored there would have been a sub on, change of shape, or change of approach that's for sure

[Hapag Lloyd]

Much is being made of the injury list to try and excuse a shocking display. But towards the end of last season we also had injuries with 2 goalkeepers and youngsters sitting on the bench exposing the lack of depth in our squad. Two transfer windows have passed since then with no effort or investment made to address the problem. Failures by the manager and owners of the club are the architects of our current predicament. No real surprise that fatigue takes it's toll on certain players when no positive steps are ever made to freshen up the squad or improve squad depth.

“our current predicament”

There’s at least 76 clubs that would love to be in our current predicament.

[ksrclaret]

Human nature, my friends, it's all just human nature.

[Leisure]

He settled for the point, didnt go for the win.
Its exactly what I've been saying, he was happy as it was and the point that was there.

I think if WBA would have scored there would have been a sub on, change of shape, or change of approach that's for sure

Maybe he's just a realist! With the way the vast majority of the team were playing, he possibly thought that no matter what substitutions or change of tactics he made, the best we were going to get out of the game was a point

[Taffy on the wing]

And this is generally how it ends for supporters of clubs like ours.

We spent years being just outside the play-offs in the bottom two divisions, dreaming of being an established top flight team again. And now here we are, a week after winning 3-0 away at Crystal Palace on a day when we should have scored more, with folk grumbling that actually they'd rather be back down there.

We will be one day, and people will pine for the days when in barely 12 months we won league games at Manchester United, Arsenal and Liverpool (aka the defending Champions), were beating the likes of Villa 3-2 and so on and so on. Then with the perspective that comes with distance, they might reflect that they got a bit carried away on the back of one really poor performance on a difficult pitch, in a howling gale against obstinate opponents, with a patched up and unfamiliar team in the midst of as severe an injury crisis as most of us can remember.

The whiners on this thread would never consider any of the above........they want entertaining and they want it now........ or it's "toys out of the pram".

[MACCA]

Maybe he's just a realist! With the way the vast majority of the team were playing, he possibly thought that no matter what substitutions or change of tactics he made, the best we were going to get out of the game was a point

Wow, I'd hate to see his realist views on the next 5, if at home to a 10 man WBA side a point was the best we were going to get.

Itll be 1 or 2 from the next 5 then, at very best.

[Leisure]

Wow, I'd hate to see his realist views on the next 5, if at home to a 10 man WBA side a point was the best we were going to get.

Itll be 1 or 2 from the next 5 then, at very best.

So with the way we were playing you're saying that he should have had the opinion that we were going to get the 3 points! I'm sure his realistic view of the next 5 games is that if we perform then we'll get some points.

[BleedingClaret]

Do you want me to book you on for the 1st away game?

Yep