Why all the surprise
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Why all the surprise
We drew with wba 0-0 away earlier in the season.
We often struggle to unlock teams who try to put us on the front foot. Even more so when they go to ten and try and catch us on the break.
Dyches record against allerdyce is one of his worse. He averages a point a game against him.
We had no right winger.
Our first two strikers were out.
We had zero options on the bench.
The hate towards Dyche and the team is almost hilarious.
Last Friday we were fourth bottom with an 8 point gap with 16 games left and games against three of our rivals with an opportunity to gain on us.
Today we are two places higher. With the same eight point gap but our opponents have three games less in which to catch us.
Every single side around us would swap our manager. Every club below us would swap league positions and run in.
Today wasn’t pretty. But it wasn’t a disaster.
We often struggle to unlock teams who try to put us on the front foot. Even more so when they go to ten and try and catch us on the break.
Dyches record against allerdyce is one of his worse. He averages a point a game against him.
We had no right winger.
Our first two strikers were out.
We had zero options on the bench.
The hate towards Dyche and the team is almost hilarious.
Last Friday we were fourth bottom with an 8 point gap with 16 games left and games against three of our rivals with an opportunity to gain on us.
Today we are two places higher. With the same eight point gap but our opponents have three games less in which to catch us.
Every single side around us would swap our manager. Every club below us would swap league positions and run in.
Today wasn’t pretty. But it wasn’t a disaster.
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Re: Why all the surprise
Tbf the gap could be 6 should Fulham win this with us both having played the same amount of games
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Re: Why all the surprise
Indeed. And they are. Would you swap positions?DomBFC1882 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:15 pmTbf the gap could be 6 should Fulham win this with us both having played the same amount of games
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Re: Why all the surprise
I would arguably swap squads.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:22 pmIndeed. And they are. Would you swap positions?
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Re: Why all the surprise
Really? What have they done to date that would make you want to swap squads?
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Re: Why all the surprise
Definitely not and I have no doubt we'll stay up this season. I was just giving balance to the post considering the Fulham game is ongoing so that 8 point gap may be no morecricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:22 pmIndeed. And they are. Would you swap positions?
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Re: Why all the surprise
I'd have Loftus cheek but that's it
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Re: Why all the surprise
Don't forget to find out if they're on about the players Fulham own or the 7 loanees who started against us the other day.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:23 pmReally? What have they done to date that would make you want to swap squads?
That's something to take into account when on about swapping squads.
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Re: Why all the surprise
A decent approach by the OP but missing the thrust of today’s disappointment
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Re: Why all the surprise
I think Dyche would finish higher up the league with there squad than ours.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:23 pmReally? What have they done to date that would make you want to swap squads?
Much better footballers in there team just worst tactics and managements.
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Re: Why all the surprise
As above mate I'd only take Loftus cheek and as you say he's on loan anywayGodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:26 pmDon't forget to find out if they're on about the players Fulham own or the 7 loanees who started against us the other day.
That's something to take into account when on about swapping squads.
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Re: Why all the surprise
True. But they’re only beating sheff Utd 1-0 at home who we beat 1-0 at home.DomBFC1882 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:24 pmDefinitely not and I have no doubt we'll stay up this season. I was just giving balance to the post considering the Fulham game is ongoing so that 8 point gap may be no more
I wouldn’t fancy their next nine fixture run before they play us again.
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Re: Why all the surprise
Like who.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:27 pmI think Dyche would finish higher up the league with there squad than ours.
Much better footballers in there team just worst tactics and managements.
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Re: Why all the surprise
I just think there is much better quality in there squad. Just a real shame they have a shocking manager.
Dyche would have that squad mid table.
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Re: Why all the surprise
Completely agree matecricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:29 pmTrue. But they’re only beating sheff Utd 1-0 at home who we beat 1-0 at home.
I wouldn’t fancy their next nine fixture run before they play us again.
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Re: Why all the surprise
If I was making a combined eleven it would be.
Pope
Lowton Tarks Mee Robinson
Anguissa Loftus westwood
Lookman mitrovic McNeil
However it’s not really just the starting eleven players I think there reserve players are decent.
Lemina, Bryan, Onomah, Reid some decent players there. Has better depth than we have.
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Re: Why all the surprise
No Charlie Taylor?Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:33 pmIf I was making a combined eleven it would be.
Pope
Lowton Tarks Mee Robinson
Anguissa Loftus westwood
Lookman mitrovic McNeil
However it’s not really just the starting eleven players I think there reserve players are decent.
Lemina, Bryan, Onomah, Reid some decent players there. Has better depth than we have.
I'd like to agree on depth too but we did batter their second team in the cup with our second team so make of that what you will
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Re: Why all the surprise
Then there is nothing to worry aboutNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:27 pmI think Dyche would finish higher up the league with there squad than ours.
Much better footballers in there team just worst tactics and managements.
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Re: Why all the surprise
So 6 Burnley players. 3 loan players. And 2 Fulham players.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:33 pmIf I was making a combined eleven it would be.
Pope
Lowton Tarks Mee Robinson
Anguissa Loftus westwood
Lookman mitrovic McNeil
However it’s not really just the starting eleven players I think there reserve players are decent.
Lemina, Bryan, Onomah, Reid some decent players there. Has better depth than we have.
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Re: Why all the surprise
I really rate Robinson. Taylor could edge it I just like Robinson
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Re: Why all the surprise
I don't really fancy are next 5 fixtures to be honest.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:29 pmI wouldn’t fancy their next nine fixture run before they play us again.
I would seriously consider giving the lads 2 weeks rest and play a shadow squad at Spurs next week. They can't keep going like that.
It might be going down to the last game of the season where we play Sheff United and Fulham have Newcastle.
Winner takes all royal rumble.
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Re: Why all the surprise
Never understood why people rate Mitrovic, he's not really that good above the championship.
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Re: Why all the surprise
fair pointcricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:38 pmSo 6 Burnley players. 3 loan players. And 2 Fulham players.
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Re: Why all the surprise
Good job Dyche didn’t think that at Arsenal. Or anfield.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:38 pmI don't really fancy are next 5 fixtures to be honest.
I would seriously consider giving the lads 2 weeks rest and play a shadow squad at Spurs next week. They can't keep going like that.
It might be going down to the last game of the season where we play Sheff United and Fulham have Newcastle.
Winner takes all royal rumble.
We need 10 points from our remaining 45.
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If you don’t agree just say you don’t agree instead of being snotty.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:38 pmSo 6 Burnley players. 3 loan players. And 2 Fulham players.
In my opinion Dyche would get more out of squad with that has some genuine footballing ability. No doubt our defence is great but our midfield and attack is shocking.
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Re: Why all the surprise
My heart wouldn't take thatQuickenthetempo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:38 pmI don't really fancy are next 5 fixtures to be honest.
I would seriously consider giving the lads 2 weeks rest and play a shadow squad at Spurs next week. They can't keep going like that.
It might be going down to the last game of the season where we play Sheff United and Fulham have Newcastle.
Winner takes all royal rumble.
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Re: Why all the surprise
I don't think that many but I suppose 10 absolutely guarantees safety even if Fulham go on a mad run. Should they do that then our game at their place would be a 6 pointer if we were on a downward spiralcricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:40 pmGood job Dyche didn’t think that at Arsenal. Or anfield.
We need 10 points from our remaining 45.
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I’m not being snotty. You said they’ve a better side. But then picked most of the side with our players.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:41 pmIf you don’t agree just say you don’t agree instead of being snotty.
In my opinion Dyche would get more out of squad with that has some genuine footballing ability. No doubt our defence is great but our midfield and attack is shocking.
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Re: Why all the surprise
I think I said they are a better squad.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:43 pmI’m not being snotty. You said they’ve a better side. But then picked most of the side with our players.
Burnley literally has a starting eleven and as it has been proven on a number of occasions this season. As soon as we start getting any injuries the quality of our football drops of a cliff. IE palace 7 days ago with close to our starting eleven and today.
Fulham have a bigger squad and I think Dyche would thrive with numbers and quality like they have
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They can pass the ball to each other?cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:23 pmReally? What have they done to date that would make you want to swap squads?
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Re: Why all the surprise
You could see today Sam’s tactical nous today. Very impressive how they negated our strengths tbh. That said with Guddy and at least one of the other 2 strikers would probably have lead to us breaking through. We certainly should have had a pen.
The bed wetting on here is ridiculous again. West Brom managed to stifle City and Liverpool away and Man U just last week. You can see Allardyce’s message getting across to the defenders now...
It was also very tough conditions too...and I certainly wouldn’t swap managers tbh
The bed wetting on here is ridiculous again. West Brom managed to stifle City and Liverpool away and Man U just last week. You can see Allardyce’s message getting across to the defenders now...
It was also very tough conditions too...and I certainly wouldn’t swap managers tbh
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Re: Why all the surprise
We are more than capable of springing surprises against the better sides, and let's be honest Spurs form is erratic to say the least, and we've got 8 days recovery time now before the Spurs game, my only concern is the Leicester game now being moved to the Wednesday, ideally we'd have had a free week to prepare for Arsenal, but it can't be helped I suppose, and hopefully we'll have a few back in contention by next week.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:40 pmGood job Dyche didn’t think that at Arsenal. Or anfield.
We need 10 points from our remaining 45.
BTW we'll do well to get 10 points out of 45, we only have 39 available, but I do agree 37/38 should be enough, mind you Fulham are certainly putting the cat among the pigeons with their recent run, but hopefully that will end at Palace next week.
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Re: Why all the surprise
I'd take Fulham to stay up and Newcastle to go down tigertiger76 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:18 pmWe are more than capable of springing surprises against the better sides, and let's be honest Spurs form is erratic to say the least, and we've got 8 days recovery time now before the Spurs game, my only concern is the Leicester game now being moved to the Wednesday, ideally we'd have had a free week to prepare for Arsenal, but it can't be helped I suppose, and hopefully we'll have a few back in contention by next week.
BTW we'll do well to get 10 points out of 45, we only have 39 available, but I do agree 37/38 should be enough, mind you Fulham are certainly putting the cat among the pigeons with their recent run, but hopefully that will end at Palace next week.
Re: Why all the surprise
Better than what we have imoGodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:39 pmNever understood why people rate Mitrovic, he's not really that good above the championship.
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Re: Why all the surprise
"but hopefully that will end at Palace next week"
Without Zaha Palace have lost 18 out of 20 matches played without their talisman. If Zaha does not return in time for the Fulham game the odds are stacked in favour of a win for Fulham so poorly are Palace performing without him.
The problem for Burnley is not the injuries and being down to the bare bones - the same situation occurred last season where we had 2 goalkeepers and kids on the bench more than once.
The problem is that Burnley failed to address the situation in the subsequent transfer windows, when the money went into the directors pockets and we were taken over by an American consortium lacking the finance to radically alter the situation from the get go.
Without Zaha Palace have lost 18 out of 20 matches played without their talisman. If Zaha does not return in time for the Fulham game the odds are stacked in favour of a win for Fulham so poorly are Palace performing without him.
The problem for Burnley is not the injuries and being down to the bare bones - the same situation occurred last season where we had 2 goalkeepers and kids on the bench more than once.
The problem is that Burnley failed to address the situation in the subsequent transfer windows, when the money went into the directors pockets and we were taken over by an American consortium lacking the finance to radically alter the situation from the get go.
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Re: Why all the surprise
If that's the case, then why isn't he scoring more?
In fact he's never been that prolific in the PL, certainly no better than Wood for example.
He's maybe better than Vydra, but we rarely see Vydra get a run of games or us playing to his strengths
You could make a reasonable argument that he will score more than Barnes in the long run, but it remains to be seen because at this rate he's going back to the championship whereas our strikers will be lining up for yet another PL season.
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Re: Why all the surprise
No surprise to see the first two you hooked.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:14 pmWe drew with wba 0-0 away earlier in the season.
We often struggle to unlock teams who try to put us on the front foot. Even more so when they go to ten and try and catch us on the break.
Dyches record against allerdyce is one of his worse. He averages a point a game against him.
We had no right winger.
Our first two strikers were out.
We had zero options on the bench.
The hate towards Dyche and the team is almost hilarious.
Last Friday we were fourth bottom with an 8 point gap with 16 games left and games against three of our rivals with an opportunity to gain on us.
Today we are two places higher. With the same eight point gap but our opponents have three games less in which to catch us.
Every single side around us would swap our manager. Every club below us would swap league positions and run in.
Today wasn’t pretty. But it wasn’t a disaster.
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Re: Why all the surprise
Wrongly counted 15 games left was thinking of 40 games in the season for some reason.tiger76 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:18 pmWe are more than capable of springing surprises against the better sides, and let's be honest Spurs form is erratic to say the least, and we've got 8 days recovery time now before the Spurs game, my only concern is the Leicester game now being moved to the Wednesday, ideally we'd have had a free week to prepare for Arsenal, but it can't be helped I suppose, and hopefully we'll have a few back in contention by next week.
BTW we'll do well to get 10 points out of 45, we only have 39 available, but I do agree 37/38 should be enough, mind you Fulham are certainly putting the cat among the pigeons with their recent run, but hopefully that will end at Palace next week.
Tbh even better as that’s less games and points for the opposition too.
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Re: Why all the surprise
Cfc we are 6pts clear not 8, but agree there is alot on here just to slag dyche and the team off, we will be fine, bottom 3 now will go, but if Fulham do win a couple then Newcastle must be worried with there injuries now.
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Re: Why all the surprise
Are you talking about Fulham? Sean Dyche would bomb at somewhere like Fulham, especially with their squad. Parker is doing a very good job for me. He is not my kind of bloke but I think Fulham have progressed massively since he took over. Horses for courses, he fits the mould for West London Sean Dyche suits Lancashire grit.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:29 pmI just think there is much better quality in there squad. Just a real shame they have a shocking manager.
Dyche would have that squad mid table.
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Re: Why all the surprise
It was 8 when I posted until Fulham won. But still we will be fine.Barlickclaret wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:45 pmCfc we are 6pts clear not 8, but agree there is alot on here just to slag dyche and the team off, we will be fine, bottom 3 now will go, but if Fulham do win a couple then Newcastle must be worried with there injuries now.
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Re: Why all the surprise
Not surprise but disappointment.
Despite the injury doom and gloom (fuelled by Dyche) we have got to remember that today we had 8 of the first choice 11 playing (and Barnes being first choice is questionable). Dyche rarely makes subs. Fatigue is a factor with the recent midweek games I accept.
OK, we were light up front given Vydra’s scoring record at this level and Brownhill’s lack of creativity. The problems though ran throughout the team. The ease with which West Brom players could play in our box was terrifying. We are playing well in some games and that may be enough but the rank bad performances are adding up.
We’ve had midweek games for quite a few weeks now so I do get it, the occasional bad performance is to be expected. But the “surprise” is in playing some who don’t look remotely good enough. Brownhill is a plucky workhorse, nothing more. Fine as 2nd/3rd reserve like Long but not 1st reserve. Mumbongo wouldn’t be good enough for us in the Championship, even as a bench player, so that’s an odd one. With a man advantage we could have shifted the tactics in all kinds of ways but didn’t apart from one brief formation change.
I’m also a little disappointed in players like McNeil. Full of talent, but too often makes the wrong decision (he is young), his wicked left foot cross is currently his only weapon, he needs more to progress to top teams.
A lack of Plan B, a lack of imagination, a lack of players who can change a game. That’s where I’m disappointed, not for the first time.
Despite the injury doom and gloom (fuelled by Dyche) we have got to remember that today we had 8 of the first choice 11 playing (and Barnes being first choice is questionable). Dyche rarely makes subs. Fatigue is a factor with the recent midweek games I accept.
OK, we were light up front given Vydra’s scoring record at this level and Brownhill’s lack of creativity. The problems though ran throughout the team. The ease with which West Brom players could play in our box was terrifying. We are playing well in some games and that may be enough but the rank bad performances are adding up.
We’ve had midweek games for quite a few weeks now so I do get it, the occasional bad performance is to be expected. But the “surprise” is in playing some who don’t look remotely good enough. Brownhill is a plucky workhorse, nothing more. Fine as 2nd/3rd reserve like Long but not 1st reserve. Mumbongo wouldn’t be good enough for us in the Championship, even as a bench player, so that’s an odd one. With a man advantage we could have shifted the tactics in all kinds of ways but didn’t apart from one brief formation change.
I’m also a little disappointed in players like McNeil. Full of talent, but too often makes the wrong decision (he is young), his wicked left foot cross is currently his only weapon, he needs more to progress to top teams.
A lack of Plan B, a lack of imagination, a lack of players who can change a game. That’s where I’m disappointed, not for the first time.
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Re: Why all the surprise
The surprise was when they were getting 4 on 2 break aways with 10 men.
Like Keystone Cops was some of that shite.
Like Keystone Cops was some of that shite.
Re: Why all the surprise
Well summed up CrosspoolClarets.
Possibly add hugely disappointed.
Possibly add hugely disappointed.
Re: Why all the surprise
did he not hit double figures last time Fulham were relegated? He offers waaaay more than just goals though, his all around game is head and shoulders above Wood.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:29 pmIf that's the case, then why isn't he scoring more?
In fact he's never been that prolific in the PL, certainly no better than Wood for example.
He's maybe better than Vydra, but we rarely see Vydra get a run of games or us playing to his strengths
You could make a reasonable argument that he will score more than Barnes in the long run, but it remains to be seen because at this rate he's going back to the championship whereas our strikers will be lining up for yet another PL season.
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Re: Why all the surprise
Highest tally in a season in the PL is 11, the only time he's hit double figures.
When Wood is in form, which he isn't this season, I can't imagine why you'd want to replace him with Mitrovic.
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Re: Why all the surprise
Mitrovic is Championship level which will be useful for Fulham
Scottie Parker has had as did his predecessors millions to spend
My question is ,aren't Premier league clubs restricted to 3 loan players ?
Scottie Parker has had as did his predecessors millions to spend
My question is ,aren't Premier league clubs restricted to 3 loan players ?