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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by SalisburyClaret » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:11 am

We are probably 8 points from safety and there are 13 games left - relax!
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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Elizabeth » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:14 am

Relax- don’t do it!
Now there’s a good motto for some

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Goddy » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:26 am

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:11 am
We are probably 8 points from safety and there are 13 games left - relax!
This, precisely.

36 points will be enough. 2 wins and 2 draws or one win and five draws....completely do-able with Fulham, Newcastle and Sheff U still to play.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by houseboy » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:26 am

I can’t understand why people are even still having this conversation. I can only assume it’s lockdown boredom and the inability to attend games. We are the same number of points from relegation as we are from Arsenal and could just as easily finish top half as go down. Come on guys have some faith. Our relegation would demand a complete meltdown on our season long (so far) form. Our average points per game thus far, including our dire start, does not suggest relegation or anything even approaching it, does anyone really believe Dyche is gonna let that slip? Come on chaps and chapesses, let’s stop this doom mongering and start looking up. 😊

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by KRBFC » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:16 am

Looking at our next 4 games and how sh!t we are, I think we'll scrape it. Very fortunate the 3 down there are hopeless. The PL will be hoping we are relegated i'd imagine, probably frustrated with our lack of investment over the years, we're devaluing the product atm. We absolutely deserve to be relegated but that's for a different day.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Marney&Mee » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:19 am

houseboy wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:26 am
I can’t understand why people are even still having this conversation. I can only assume it’s lockdown boredom and the inability to attend games. We are the same number of points from relegation as we are from Arsenal and could just as easily finish top half as go down. Come on guys have some faith. Our relegation would demand a complete meltdown on our season long (so far) form. Our average points per game thus far, including our dire start, does not suggest relegation or anything even approaching it, does anyone really believe Dyche is gonna let that slip? Come on chaps and chapesses, let’s stop this doom mongering and start looking up. 😊
100% agree Houseboy. I was going to post the same yesterday

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by ChrisG » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:21 am

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:16 am
Looking at our next 4 games and how sh!t we are, I think we'll scrape it. Very fortunate the 3 down there are hopeless. The PL will be hoping we are relegated i'd imagine, probably frustrated with our lack of investment over the years, we're devaluing the product atm. We absolutely deserve to be relegated but that's for a different day.
We were indeed dreadful against WBA, but we most certainly weren't against Palace.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by RMutt » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:21 am

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:16 am
Looking at our next 4 games and how sh!t we are, I think we'll scrape it. Very fortunate the 3 down there are hopeless. The PL will be hoping we are relegated i'd imagine, probably frustrated with our lack of investment over the years, we're devaluing the product atm. We absolutely deserve to be relegated but that's for a different day.
Unless some cheating comes to light that I for one don’t know about, then that last sentence is demonstrably not true.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by KRBFC » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:37 am

RMutt wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:21 am
Unless some cheating comes to light that I for one don’t know about, then that last sentence is demonstrably not true.
We cannot complain at relegation, we put ourselves in this position by not investing. Standing still and you go backwards, like the time we didn't sign a central midfielder in January to cover Jones and Marney, a few days after the window shut didn't Marney get a long term injury and we were ultimately relegated. We all know we needed a replacement for Lennon because JBG and Brady can't stay fit/perform consistently, well guess what, JBG and Brady can't stay fit..

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:41 am

Never understood how people are adamant that the PL want to see use relegated, or that we deserve it.

Who do these people have such a low opinion of the club?

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:42 am

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:37 am
We cannot complain at relegation, we put ourselves in this position by not investing. Standing still and you go backwards, like the time we didn't sign a central midfielder in January to cover Jones and Marney, a few days after the window shut didn't Marney get a long term injury and we were ultimately relegated. We all know we needed a replacement for Lennon because JBG and Brady can't stay fit/perform consistently, well guess what, JBG and Brady can't stay fit..
Ref the Marney injury, didn't we have someone at the club ready to sign and the selling club stopped the deal at the last min?
Lansbury?

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by KRBFC » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:53 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:42 am
Ref the Marney injury, didn't we have someone at the club ready to sign and the selling club stopped the deal at the last min?
Lansbury?
We left it until the final hours of the window, giving us no other option if the player failed a medical or the selling team pulled out, sounds like our problem.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:56 am

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:53 am
We left it until the final hours of the window, giving us no other option if the player failed a medical or the selling team pulled out, sounds like our problem.
Medical was all done, contract agreed etc.

A lot of clubs go through these issues, not unique to us but the club did try to get someone else in and no one could've forseen Marney doing his knee.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by DCWat » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:23 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:56 am
Medical was all done, contract agreed etc.

A lot of clubs go through these issues, not unique to us but the club did try to get someone else in and no one could've forseen Marney doing his knee.
They couldn’t but it was plainly obvious that we needed cover, in arguably the most important area of the pitch. That was perhaps our first lesson in terms of ensuring adequate cover and trying not to leave business until the last minute.

We’ve either not learned any lessons or been willing to gamble on a number of occasions since - the most recent January window being yet another example.

I think we will scrape survival this season, but if we don’t, we’ve only ourselves to blame.

Assuming we do survive, this summer will probably tell us a lot about Pace and Dyche.
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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:42 pm

Yes it was obvious, but they'd tried to get cover in.

Agreed this summer will be interesting to watch.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by houseboy » Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:55 am

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:16 am
Looking at our next 4 games and how sh!t we are, I think we'll scrape it. Very fortunate the 3 down there are hopeless. The PL will be hoping we are relegated i'd imagine, probably frustrated with our lack of investment over the years, we're devaluing the product atm. We absolutely deserve to be relegated but that's for a different day.
How sh*t we are? 4 games unbeaten including that terrific win at Palace? When Fulham were getting similar results everyone was saying how good they were looking. So a team looking odds on for relegation were in dire form but were ‘playing well’ but we aren’t? Our style of play makes us look bad at times but we get the results. And given Spurs form just recently whose to say we won’t get something there? The way some on here are talking you could be forgiven for thinking we’d lost to Fulham and WBA.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:58 am

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:16 am
Looking at our next 4 games and how sh!t we are, I think we'll scrape it. Very fortunate the 3 down there are hopeless. The PL will be hoping we are relegated i'd imagine, probably frustrated with our lack of investment over the years, we're devaluing the product atm. We absolutely deserve to be relegated but that's for a different day.
If only there was some sort of system that awarded points for results in football matches that you could use to decide who deserved to be relegated, then we'd know for sure whether we deserved it or not.
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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by houseboy » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:05 am

Tall Paul wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:58 am
If only there was some sort of system that awarded points for results in football matches that you could use to decide who deserved to be relegated, then we'd know for sure whether we deserved it or not.
Precisely. Wherever a club is in the league is where they deserve to be. Until they start awarding points for attendances, ground size and how much money your owner has we will have to stick with the boring old points for wins etc. 😊

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:18 am

If our final 13 games yields as many points as our poor opening 13 games this season then we’ll end on 41 points and safe by a large margin.

It’s got too close for comfort with the recent results, which was a great chance to cement our safety. But looking at it objectively we should stay up quite comfortably. I think the next few games will likely see us drop closer to the bottom three though which will give squeaky bums to many.
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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Quicknick » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:25 am

Yes.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by SouthLondonexile » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:43 am

Awayfromburnley wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:36 am
I unfortunately believe we will go down.

Look at the next 4 games, they alone will see us be dragged into the mire more.

It again comes down to the lack of recruitment, no two ways about it. I said it in summer and also the end if January, we cannot expect the physical pressure of a threadbare squad not to have a detrimental impact.

Sorry but we're going down, we are not good enough.

That said we are a decent Championship team so will welcome not battling the Premier league drop for a season or so.
I think this is a good point. If we are able to get any points from the next 4 games, I would say we may stay up. Losing to Sheffield Utd and Newcastle could seal our fate.
I believe 10 more points could see us safe.
So in a nutshell I am very nervous about our position. I just hope our win against Aston Villa hasn’t seen us peak!

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Culmclaret » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:53 am

Based on the evidence of the past four seasons it would be very difficult to make a case for us going down. We have points in the bag, we are capable of taking points from anyone other than City and Chelsea (whom we do not have to play again), and whenever one wonders where the next points are coming from, we start picking up points. Relax everyone.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:04 am

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:16 am
Looking at our next 4 games and how sh!t we are, I think we'll scrape it. Very fortunate the 3 down there are hopeless. The PL will be hoping we are relegated i'd imagine, probably frustrated with our lack of investment over the years, we're devaluing the product atm. We absolutely deserve to be relegated but that's for a different day.

:D :D

You are probably better off not imagining anything, it upsets you
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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Spijed » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:23 am

Awayfromburnley wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:36 am
I unfortunately believe we will go down.

Look at the next 4 games, they alone will see us be dragged into the mire more.

It again comes down to the lack of recruitment, no two ways about it. I said it in summer and also the end if January, we cannot expect the physical pressure of a threadbare squad not to have a detrimental impact.

Sorry but we're going down, we are not good enough.

That said we are a decent Championship team so will welcome not battling the Premier league drop for a season or so.
No doubt you will catch a few with your post ;)
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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Goodclaret » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:41 am

Yeah, we'll stay up. Even a relatively, poor points return from our remaining 13 games will see us safe.

Reading some of these predictions of "ifs" and "buts" which will see us relegated makes me wonder how some people dare get out of bed in a morning :)
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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Nonayforever » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:15 pm

DCWat wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:23 pm

Assuming we do survive, this summer will probably tell us a lot about Pace and Dyche.
I don't think we will learn anything new about both Pace & Dyche this summer.

We all now know that Pace has no money & Dyche will still want his old tried and trusted workhorses in the team. Any young talent is now way out of our league.
The only thing new we will learn, is the relationship between the two.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by snapcrackleandpop » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:24 pm

Lose on Sunday and Fulham pick up points then I think probably not.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by brexit » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:45 pm

I am optimistic - Southampton look to have some real issues and are dropping like a brick. I fancy Fulham to overhaul Newcastle. I actually think we will finish around 14th with 42 points.
if I understand the bookies correctly they think Newcastle have more chance of going down than us.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Spijed » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:05 pm

snapcrackleandpop wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:24 pm
Lose on Sunday and Fulham pick up points then I think probably not.
What evidence is there that Brighton and Newcastle are more likely to stop up?

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by KRBFC » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:27 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:58 am
If only there was some sort of system that awarded points for results in football matches that you could use to decide who deserved to be relegated, then we'd know for sure whether we deserved it or not.
I said we deserve to be relegated due to our weak attempts in the transfer window to improve and cover our known issues in the squad. Nothing to do with our style of play

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by snapcrackleandpop » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:53 pm

Spijed wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:05 pm
What evidence is there that Brighton and Newcastle are more likely to stop up?
In my opinion which is not a fact it’s just an opinion so I can’t be wrong, I think they are both better than us with better squads.
Remember it’s my opinion only.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Spijed » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:08 pm

snapcrackleandpop wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:53 pm
I think they are both better than us with better squads.
But that begs the question as to why they are still below us in the league.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:16 pm

Better squads than ours have gone down before us.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:18 pm

Spijed wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:08 pm
But that begs the question as to why they are still below us in the league.
At Brighton I'd suggest poor management and poor transfer windows, because they've failed to get a decent striker in.

Newcastle - Covid and that injury to their main striker coupled with their back up striker being a massive waste of £40 million

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Selby Claret » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:31 pm

I think we will be fine...

Our results to date
0 0 0 1 0 0 1 3 0 1 3 1 3 0 3 0 0 3 3 0 0 1 3 1 1

If you exclude the first six games (which I hope folks will agree do not accurately reflect our performances / injuries etc) we have results of W7 D6 L6 = 27 pts from half a season (19 games)

Including the first seven games:

If you break into two 'halves'
13 points (first 13 games)
15 points (last 12 games)
Suggests 13-15 points from remaining 13 games = total 41-43 pts

Into 'thirds'
5 points (first 9 games)
11 points (middle 8 games)
12 points (last 8 games)
Suggests 15-20 points from remaining 13 games = total 43-48 pts

Into 'quarters'
2 points (first 7 games)
11 points (next set of 6 games)
9 points (next set of 6 games)
6 points (last set of 6 games)
Suggests even on current form of 1pt per game at least 13 points from remaining 13 games = total 41 pts

These numbers are without contestation - I have spoken - this is the way :)
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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Goddy » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:54 pm

Selby Claret wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:31 pm


These numbers are without contestation - I have spoken - this is the way :)
Amen to that

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by KateR » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:19 pm

bottom 2 down, leaves one to go from six teams, theoretically we could go down, but realistically no we won't, therefore we will stay up.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by snapcrackleandpop » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:27 pm

KateR wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:19 pm
bottom 2 down, leaves one to go from six teams, theoretically we could go down, but realistically no we won't, therefore we will stay up.
Second thoughts?
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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:34 pm

No one expected us to get anything this afternoon. Games like this are not the ones where we will get our points.

But, to answer the question, we're staying up !

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by ElectroClaret » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:36 pm

Fulham's dreadfully tough run-in will probably save us.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Goalposts » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:39 pm

We are probably on for our lowest ever scoring season already at this stage with 18 goals for worse than 1971 when we scored 29 in the whole season and got relegated.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:40 pm

I am really starting to wonder if relegation would be such a bad thing.
The football we have to watch week in week out in the premier league is so poor.
At least in the championship we might be able to compete.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by taio » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:42 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:40 pm
I am really starting to wonder if relegation would be such a bad thing.
The football we have to watch week in week out in the premier league is so poor.
At least in the championship we might be able to compete.
Give over.
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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Spijed » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:43 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:36 pm
Fulham's dreadfully tough run-in will probably save us.
You really think Brighton are any better than Fulham?

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by mill hill claret » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:43 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:40 pm
I am really starting to wonder if relegation would be such a bad thing.
The football we have to watch week in week out in the premier league is so poor.
At least in the championship we might be able to compete.
Yes ...it would be a bad thing ...beggers belief that people would really think it would be a good thing

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by tiger76 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:44 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:36 pm
Fulham's dreadfully tough run-in will probably save us.
Fulham spilling 2 points today certainly helps, and although we're not going to pick up any points today, it's still not been a bad weekend, as nobody else below us made any progress either, that said we desperately need to get our walking wound back ASAP for the more winnable games, but we should just have enough in the tank I hope, however if this near shave doesn't provoke a reaction from Pace and the manager to inject new blood in the summer, then I really fear for us next season.

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Walkerpool » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:44 pm

Not looking good

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by Spijed » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:45 pm

Walkerpool wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:44 pm
Not looking good
What about the form of Brighton and Newcastle?

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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by tiger76 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:52 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:45 pm
What about the form of Brighton and Newcastle?
And Fulham also, today won't define our season, that will be determined by our games against fellow relegation candidates, and the lower high sides such as Arsenal, Leeds & Wolves, and we're more than capable of pinching points against the likes of those.

Assuming we go on to lose at Spurs, we'll still have a 5 point buffer to the bottom 3, plus a small advantage over Newcastle and Brighton, both of whom are struggling to put points on the board as well, so as bad as today's been we certainly don't need to press the panic button just yet.
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Re: So will we stay up or not

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:54 pm

Definitely staying up

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