I rest my case
I rest my case
I said before on another thread that it appears the officals between them don't
know the rules, how embarrasing for them again
know the rules, how embarrasing for them again
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Re: I rest my case
How many officials does it take to ref a PL game, answers on a postcard please, because clearly 4/5 isn't enough as they still can't get the obvious decisions correct. it's a good job this isn't a multi-million pound industry they're employed isn't it.
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I’ve said it before and I stick to it.
The worst thing that ever happened in football was the PGMOL. In the old days you had a different ref every game and you got the odd poor one, anybody can have an off day. Now you have the same collection turning up regularly, every fan knows who are sub-standard but nothing is ever done about it. How poor must the guys be further down the leagues?
The worst thing that ever happened in football was the PGMOL. In the old days you had a different ref every game and you got the odd poor one, anybody can have an off day. Now you have the same collection turning up regularly, every fan knows who are sub-standard but nothing is ever done about it. How poor must the guys be further down the leagues?
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Re: I rest my case
huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:10 pmI’ve said it before and I stick to it.
The worst thing that ever happened in football was the PGMOL. In the old days you had a different ref every game and you got the odd poor one, anybody can have an off day. Now you have the same collection turning up regularly, every fan knows who are sub-standard but nothing is ever done about it. How poor must the guys be further down the leagues?
Maybe the problem further down the Leagues is they can't get into the 'Club'
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Interestingly, refs are only professional at Champ & Prem level.
Re: I rest my case
The standard of referees lies with Mike Riley and this
season with VAR has shown what a lot of people have been saying for ages
ours are really bad, none of our refs at the World Cup.
they cannot agree between them selves on decisions even after they have watched
one for ten minuets, and RILEY was far from any good when he was reffing.
season with VAR has shown what a lot of people have been saying for ages
ours are really bad, none of our refs at the World Cup.
they cannot agree between them selves on decisions even after they have watched
one for ten minuets, and RILEY was far from any good when he was reffing.
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The lack of English refs at the last World Cup was nothing to do with their quality.claretyke wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:01 pmThe standard of referees lies with Mike Riley and this
season with VAR has shown what a lot of people have been saying for ages
ours are really bad, none of our refs at the World Cup.
they cannot agree between them selves on decisions even after they have watched
one for ten minuets, and RILEY was far from any good when he was reffing.
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Pretty sure it was because Clattenburg, who was our representative, cleared off to the middle east mid-season.Burnley1989 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:06 pmI’m not sure, I think it played a part! We’ve been useless for as long as I can remember
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Can’t argue with that.Burnley1989 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:11 pmMaybe mate, based on the prestige & money in this country I’m amazed at how bad we are
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Get rid of the referees in the VAR control room and people will instantly see the big difference it will make to public acceptance
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Does anyone know what would have happened if Pascal Gross’ penalty had gone in.
Ok, I’ll rephrase. What SHOULDVE happened if Pascal Gross’ penalty had gone in?
Only asking as I thought the stuttered penalty run up wasn’t allowed?
Ok, I’ll rephrase. What SHOULDVE happened if Pascal Gross’ penalty had gone in?
Only asking as I thought the stuttered penalty run up wasn’t allowed?
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It’s all made up bull**** as there go along, nobody knows for sure what the rules are so everything is blagged, Var spend half the time completely guessing decisions & getting half the decisions wrong, you might as well just let stevie wonder ref the games & make the decisions there would be more chance of getting things right.
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To be fair, Lee Mason and friend weren't the only display of professional incompetence during the match. What about the second penalty, when Welbeck kicked the ball twice and had a free kick given against him; the commentator said it might have been because he was in an offside position.
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Ha ha, offside from what?
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We quite rightly question them when they are wrong but what if every ref said oh fu ck it you can't win I'll just watch games instead football finishes. I played at a decent level until injury curtailed me, I thought of becoming a ref and was advised by an referee assessor 30 plus years ago not to bother as it's getting worse and you just get abused, that came from a former ref who did first division games and was so cynical. He was right.
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The problem is, when we had just the one ref, we could take the odd mistake. “They even out over a season” was the mantra. Then tv got involved and highlighted to the eighth degree mistakes you really couldn’t see with the naked eye. Thus rendering the “in the referees opinion” part of the law redundant.
Now we have refereeing by committee and they’re still making a balls of it. It’s taking several minutes, it’s taking millimetre technology to see things, things the crowd in the stands don’t get to see. It’s all B0LL0X.
The beautiful game is dying, if it isn’t already!!
Now we have refereeing by committee and they’re still making a balls of it. It’s taking several minutes, it’s taking millimetre technology to see things, things the crowd in the stands don’t get to see. It’s all B0LL0X.
The beautiful game is dying, if it isn’t already!!
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There is a reason they get abused.bfcjg wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:46 pmWe quite rightly question them when they are wrong but what if every ref said oh fu ck it you can't win I'll just watch games instead football finishes. I played at a decent level until injury curtailed me, I thought of becoming a ref and was advised by an referee assessor 30 plus years ago not to bother as it's getting worse and you just get abused, that came from a former ref who did first division games and was so cynical. He was right.
All football fans can be partizan and put on the tinted glasses, but when opposing fans unite to call out the referees then they have to have a point.
Even the vast majority of Leeds fans knew they got away with one through Jones at ER.
Our refereeing system needs scrapping, not fixing. The present incumbents show week after week, that they haven't got a clue, either about the rules of the game, or the game of football itself. VAR, instead of helping them get the big decisions right, only serves to highlight their total incompetence.
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Change it from within, become a ref and work up through the ranks, get ex professionals to become refs but hardly anybody wants to though.Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:26 amThere is a reason they get abused.
All football fans can be partizan and put on the tinted glasses, but when opposing fans unite to call out the referees then they have to have a point.
Even the vast majority of Leeds fans knew they got away with one through Jones at ER.
Our refereeing system needs scrapping, not fixing. The present incumbents show week after week, that they haven't got a clue, either about the rules of the game, or the game of football itself. VAR, instead of helping them get the big decisions right, only serves to highlight their total incompetence.
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Ex professionals are too old to work their way through the ranks as a referee. And if you’re a former professional footballer I doubt you’d be interested in pursuing a career with such a relatively low pay.
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I want ex pros to be given the job. It only needs some impetus from football itself for it to happen. Not every ex pro can become a coach, manager, or pundit. They know so much more than referees, or us fans, as to what occurs on the pitch.
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And again! Fulham’s handball, never in a million years.
Liverpool should’ve had a penalty, Chelsea players arm up head high, ball hits forearm preventing cross, play on!!
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You ever listen to the waffle on MOTD? If a player from a 'big' team goes down it is, "It was minimal contact but he was justified in going down to win the free kick/penalty." but if it a player from one of the 'lesser' clubs (except Newcastle if Shearer is on) then it is, "Not enough contact for me to warrant the referee giving a free kick/penalty there."Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:55 amI want ex pros to be given the job. It only needs some impetus from football itself for it to happen. Not every ex pro can become a coach, manager, or pundit. They know so much more than referees, or us fans, as to what occurs on the pitch.
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Pundits are pundits for a reason.bfcmik wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:53 amYou ever listen to the waffle on MOTD? If a player from a 'big' team goes down it is, "It was minimal contact but he was justified in going down to win the free kick/penalty." but if it a player from one of the 'lesser' clubs (except Newcastle if Shearer is on) then it is, "Not enough contact for me to warrant the referee giving a free kick/penalty there."
You don't need to be a top 6 player to make a good referee. There are pros throughout the leagues, with reputations for being hard but fair. Who give their all, but don't dive, don't leave a leg in, or go ott. I would say that anyone who does any of the above wouldn't be considered for referring, likewise anyone thinks contact is justification for hitting the ground like a sack of spuds.
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The Fulham handball was nothing to do with the officials being wrong or right - they were simply applying the rules of the game as they currently stand. Whether you or I or anybody else think they are wrong is immaterial as the rules are concerned. Same with the offside rules. If any of the designated portions of the attacker's body is in front of any of the designated portions of a defender's body then the attacker is offside. You could vary it to give,, say, an allowance of 3cm/10cm/50cm but people would complain because the attacker was 0.1cm further than the stated allowance.RammyClaret61 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:45 amAnd again! Fulham’s handball, never in a million years.
Liverpool should’ve had a penalty, Chelsea players arm up head high, ball hits forearm preventing cross, play on!!
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The daylight rule was the best for offside. It would take seconds to check if we must persist with VAR. for me VAR should only be employed when requested or when the referee has made a clear and obvious mistake. Every decision makes it more a game for the officials than the players or fans, at the cost of flowing football.bfcmik wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:04 amThe Fulham handball was nothing to do with the officials being wrong or right - they were simply applying the rules of the game as they currently stand. Whether you or I or anybody else think they are wrong is immaterial as the rules are concerned. Same with the offside rules. If any of the designated portions of the attacker's body is in front of any of the designated portions of a defender's body then the attacker is offside. You could vary it to give,, say, an allowance of 3cm/10cm/50cm but people would complain because the attacker was 0.1cm further than the stated allowance.
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The daylight rule is far more ambiguous than the current one.elwaclaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:03 pmThe daylight rule was the best for offside. It would take seconds to check if we must persist with VAR. for me VAR should only be employed when requested or when the referee has made a clear and obvious mistake. Every decision makes it more a game for the officials than the players or fans, at the cost of flowing football.
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Not with VAR checks.... if there is daylight between players main trunk they are off, takes seconds. If we must keep it we need it, it has to be quick.... we are seeing week in and out players not celebrate and wait for VAR to confirm.... it makes sitting in the stand pointless, all the excitement of watching live has been removed... every decision is going to the screen... you might as well be at home watching that screen in the warm without the thrills of live football, live football loses its excitement value.
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Offside should be judged that level, as seen by the human eye and with normal views as to what means level, is onside. They don't need to draw lines on the pitch for VAR. VAR can look at a still photo and say "is he level".
It was specifically stated in guidance to refs thirty years ago that level means to the normal human eye, not to the inch. It was also specifically stated that the offside change was to give the forward a bit of an advantage and lead to more goals - which means quite plainly that offside was not meant to be judged to the inch. They weren't talking about giving the forward half an inch of advantage.
Basically they want to go back to before Elleray and crew started tinkering with the rules and admit they have been worse than useless. Go back to the pre-Elleray laws and get some less tinker-minded people in charge.
It was specifically stated in guidance to refs thirty years ago that level means to the normal human eye, not to the inch. It was also specifically stated that the offside change was to give the forward a bit of an advantage and lead to more goals - which means quite plainly that offside was not meant to be judged to the inch. They weren't talking about giving the forward half an inch of advantage.
Basically they want to go back to before Elleray and crew started tinkering with the rules and admit they have been worse than useless. Go back to the pre-Elleray laws and get some less tinker-minded people in charge.
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Since when is a camera perpendicular to the last man to determine if there’s daylight between the players?elwaclaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:18 pmNot with VAR checks.... if there is daylight between players main trunk they are off, takes seconds. If we must keep it we need it, it has to be quick.... we are seeing week in and out players not celebrate and wait for VAR to confirm.... it makes sitting in the stand pointless, all the excitement of watching live has been removed... every decision is going to the screen... you might as well be at home watching that screen in the warm without the thrills of live football, live football loses its excitement value.
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They get close enough to decide a shoelace at the moment. If you want a full investigation, I can send you my hourly rate card and I will launch my research programme.
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They use projected lines based on a grid of the pitch. Whilst there’s a significant margin for error it is at least a relatively consistent system.elwaclaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:34 pmThey get close enough to decide a shoelace at the moment. If you want a full investigation, I can send you my hourly rate card and I will launch my research programme.
You’re advocating they bring in the daylight rule. I’m just asking how is daylight determined by the technology when the cameras aren’t perpendicular to the players in question?
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Barely feel like VAR has affects us to be honest, outside of the Leeds goal but that was a refereeing error for blowng the whistle over VAR.
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Re: I rest my case
Re Welbeck double touch penalty
You are not allowed to kick the ball twice that's why the ref correctly awarded a free kick
When I did my ref training, ran by a ref who had just reffed the FA cup final , he said what you have to bear in mind is most players dont know the rules
Now with our mental penalty and off side rule changes ,I dont think anyone does
You are not allowed to kick the ball twice that's why the ref correctly awarded a free kick
When I did my ref training, ran by a ref who had just reffed the FA cup final , he said what you have to bear in mind is most players dont know the rules
Now with our mental penalty and off side rule changes ,I dont think anyone does
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If they are going to use lines for offside then it should just be to feet. Scrap the rule that you can be offside with other body parts, if your feet are onside then all of you is onside.
I genuinely don't know what to do about handball though.
We've ended up in a situation where there are different rules for different coloured shirts in different areas of the pitch.
The fulham goal being disallowed is patently ridiculous, but the reason the rule was brought in, Kane (i think) setting up the winner against City in the champions league is a sound reason to disallow goals.
You can't viably run with your arms straight down by your side either, so the handballs by defenders with the ball being hit at them from two yards away as they are moving is also ridiculous to award a penalty for.
Trying to turn a subjective decision (the distinction between deliberate and accidental) into a black and white decision doesn't work here I don't think.
Maybe keep the handball rule as it is now but scrap penalties for them unless it's in the six yard box? I dunno.
I genuinely don't know what to do about handball though.
We've ended up in a situation where there are different rules for different coloured shirts in different areas of the pitch.
The fulham goal being disallowed is patently ridiculous, but the reason the rule was brought in, Kane (i think) setting up the winner against City in the champions league is a sound reason to disallow goals.
You can't viably run with your arms straight down by your side either, so the handballs by defenders with the ball being hit at them from two yards away as they are moving is also ridiculous to award a penalty for.
Trying to turn a subjective decision (the distinction between deliberate and accidental) into a black and white decision doesn't work here I don't think.
Maybe keep the handball rule as it is now but scrap penalties for them unless it's in the six yard box? I dunno.
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I fully get your point. I believe football is about the game, football used to be exciting, now it has as many rules as chess... do you really think most fans want to sit around waiting. I know as a referee you like your rules... I like an exciting flowing exciting game.... VAR serves you and robs me.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:38 pmThey use projected lines based on a grid of the pitch. Whilst there’s a significant margin for error it is at least a relatively consistent system.
You’re advocating they bring in the daylight rule. I’m just asking how is daylight determined by the technology when the cameras aren’t perpendicular to the players in question?
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I've always been pro VAR, but there's no need for all the multi coloured lines. As you say, if you can't tell with the naked eye, it's on. Most fans are realistic, if it's that close, for or against you live with it. At least the referee has the opportunity to review the blatant mistakes.dsr wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:18 pmOffside should be judged that level, as seen by the human eye and with normal views as to what means level, is onside. They don't need to draw lines on the pitch for VAR. VAR can look at a still photo and say "is he level".
It was specifically stated in guidance to refs thirty years ago that level means to the normal human eye, not to the inch. It was also specifically stated that the offside change was to give the forward a bit of an advantage and lead to more goals - which means quite plainly that offside was not meant to be judged to the inch. They weren't talking about giving the forward half an inch of advantage.
Basically they want to go back to before Elleray and crew started tinkering with the rules and admit they have been worse than useless. Go back to the pre-Elleray laws and get some less tinker-minded people in charge.
Regarding Ellery, it seems we've had more rule changes the last decade, than the previous 110 years. The vast majority of which haven't brought anything to the enjoyment of the game.
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I’m not a referee. How dare you!!elwaclaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:49 pmI fully get your point. I believe football is about the game, football used to be exciting, now it has as many rules as chess... do you really think most fans want to sit around waiting. I know as a referee you like your rules... I like an exciting flowing exciting game.... VAR serves you and robs me.
I’d rather VAR was scrapped. I was never in favour of it and it has diluted the enjoyment of the game, in my opinion. I’m not disagreeing on that front. I’m just pointing out how the daylight rule isn’t really a feasible, or sensible option with the technology at hand.
The significant of offside decisions that have been overturned by VAR have been so marginal that I really don’t think fans of either side would care if they ended up on the wrong side of the decision. I certainly wouldn’t.
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There is a need for all the multi coloured lines, though that need isn't for the fans, it's for the managers and players. It cannot be argued, it is fact, it can't be debated, it is what it is, and that's kinda the point of it.
If you start with things like 'daylight' or 'naked eye' then it becomes open to interpretation and you have managers espousing views such as 'referee X didn't do that in Man Utd's game so why are we different' and so on, because all that managers want to do when things go against them is blame the rule makers or enforcers.
As it stands now offside has been taken to it's logical if extreme conclusion. All that needs to happen to offside is remove the armpit and make it feet only.
If you start with things like 'daylight' or 'naked eye' then it becomes open to interpretation and you have managers espousing views such as 'referee X didn't do that in Man Utd's game so why are we different' and so on, because all that managers want to do when things go against them is blame the rule makers or enforcers.
As it stands now offside has been taken to it's logical if extreme conclusion. All that needs to happen to offside is remove the armpit and make it feet only.
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Interesting points about ex-players becoming referees, the question is --Would you, as an ex-player, be prepared to be an official who, week in week out, is pulled to bits by people looking at slow motion replays, drawing lines on the pitch etc.,etc or would you rather just take a seat as a pundit or leave the game in total? Bear in mind that, any ex-pro would still have to work his way up to an acceptable level as an official and that takes time, it would not be an easy fix.
Recruiting young referees has become more difficult throughout the country and many who do eventually get their ticket are lost to the game within a couple of years because of the abuse they receive when learning their trade by doing Junior games.
Another problem is the fact that a lot of local and area leagues have gone out of existence and this gives even fewer opportunities for officials to progress, gain experience and then get promoted. In spite of this, there are still lots of games played in local leagues where no official referee is available ---such is the shortage.
In spite of what many fans think, the officials are a dedicated bunch who are abused every game by players, managers, coaches and fans but in spite of that they turn up and do the job. They will not get everything right, just as players don't get everything right, however, they give it their best shot in a game played at pace and where, outside of the top level, they only have one view in real time and give an honest decision.
It is not an easy job and it used to test the patience 30 years ago and I honestly think that, because of the way the game has gone and with more and more players diving around and falling over, the job has become a lot more difficult.
Recruiting young referees has become more difficult throughout the country and many who do eventually get their ticket are lost to the game within a couple of years because of the abuse they receive when learning their trade by doing Junior games.
Another problem is the fact that a lot of local and area leagues have gone out of existence and this gives even fewer opportunities for officials to progress, gain experience and then get promoted. In spite of this, there are still lots of games played in local leagues where no official referee is available ---such is the shortage.
In spite of what many fans think, the officials are a dedicated bunch who are abused every game by players, managers, coaches and fans but in spite of that they turn up and do the job. They will not get everything right, just as players don't get everything right, however, they give it their best shot in a game played at pace and where, outside of the top level, they only have one view in real time and give an honest decision.
It is not an easy job and it used to test the patience 30 years ago and I honestly think that, because of the way the game has gone and with more and more players diving around and falling over, the job has become a lot more difficult.
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Re: I rest my case
I rested my case some time ago because of all the lockdowns. Hopefully i will be able to pack it again in the Autumn !!
Re: I rest my case
Not quite true. The cameras being used don't have a frame rate that can keep up with the speed of the movement on the pitch. Which means all the line drawing in the world doesn't help them stop at the exact frame when the ball is played. So it's still open to interpretation, but it's the interpretation of the prat sat in his referee's kit in a portacabin in Stockley Park rather than the interpretation of the person running the line. Only that interpretation now takes 3 minutes to get to a controversial decision rather than half a second.duncandisorderly wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:57 pmThere is a need for all the multi coloured lines, though that need isn't for the fans, it's for the managers and players. It cannot be argued, it is fact, it can't be debated, it is what it is, and that's kinda the point of it.
If you start with things like 'daylight' or 'naked eye' then it becomes open to interpretation and you have managers espousing views such as 'referee X didn't do that in Man Utd's game so why are we different' and so on, because all that managers want to do when things go against them is blame the rule makers or enforcers.
As it stands now offside has been taken to it's logical if extreme conclusion. All that needs to happen to offside is remove the armpit and make it feet only.
They're trying to be forensic with technology that doesn't support what they're doing and the results are laughable. Every week.
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Sorry Riley, I thought it was you used to do a bit of reffing from discussions in the dim and distant past. I was for limited VAR but never for one minute believed they would employ it at the cost of the match... I’d rather go back to ‘even themselves out’ refereeing, even if it costs us a couple of goals a season wrong at least it is about the football and not making the officials the be all and end all of every match. I am not really missing live football the way things are, in fact I think if I’d been sat in the stand over this season I would be seriously considering giving up watching live.... anyone who knows me, will never of expected me to say that, including myself...Rileybobs wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:54 pmI’m not a referee. How dare you!!
I’d rather VAR was scrapped. I was never in favour of it and it has diluted the enjoyment of the game, in my opinion. I’m not disagreeing on that front. I’m just pointing out how the daylight rule isn’t really a feasible, or sensible option with the technology at hand.
The significant of offside decisions that have been overturned by VAR have been so marginal that I really don’t think fans of either side would care if they ended up on the wrong side of the decision. I certainly wouldn’t.
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In the case of handball, we had the situation where the ball hit the hand of Koscielny and went in the goal, a goal being awarded. We felt it was an injustice of course. It certainly didn't seem right but the Laws didn't say it was wrong.
I don't know if it was this case but perhaps because of something similar, and because you have to treat defenders and attackers equally in the Laws, it was decided that even accidental handball would be penalised. As a result, a defender accidentally handling the ball in the penalty area became a penalty - grossly unfair. So then we had mention of natural positioning of the arms, a more accurate definition of what a 'hand' is (in other words which part of the arm was covered by 'handball'). And so it went on. Something in the past that the referee may have used common sense on is now being decided by a committee.
This affects all levels of football but is driven by television (and perhaps therefore, money) and this insatiable drive for accuracy that simply isn't possible.
Frankly, because the penalty laws are being endlessly abused by players I think there should be a radical change to them so that the punishment more realistically fits the crime. It's ridiculous that a player who has no chance of scoring should be given an almost certain chance of a goal by something innocuous that happens to occur in the penalty area.
I don't know if it was this case but perhaps because of something similar, and because you have to treat defenders and attackers equally in the Laws, it was decided that even accidental handball would be penalised. As a result, a defender accidentally handling the ball in the penalty area became a penalty - grossly unfair. So then we had mention of natural positioning of the arms, a more accurate definition of what a 'hand' is (in other words which part of the arm was covered by 'handball'). And so it went on. Something in the past that the referee may have used common sense on is now being decided by a committee.
This affects all levels of football but is driven by television (and perhaps therefore, money) and this insatiable drive for accuracy that simply isn't possible.
Frankly, because the penalty laws are being endlessly abused by players I think there should be a radical change to them so that the punishment more realistically fits the crime. It's ridiculous that a player who has no chance of scoring should be given an almost certain chance of a goal by something innocuous that happens to occur in the penalty area.
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Hipper, I agree about the penalty laws being abused and, although it has always been the case it always niggles me that a player can be on the edge of the box, going down the by-line and then throw himself down because he 'feels contact' and this then results in a penalty.
I wonder whether or not IFAB have considered any change to the penalty laws ---I doubt it.
I wonder whether or not IFAB have considered any change to the penalty laws ---I doubt it.