Gordon Elliott Race Horse Trainer

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:44 am

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

That should be him finished in the sport imo.

"Gordon Elliott: Trainer says dead horse photo is real - BBC Sport" https://www.bbc.com/sport/amp/horse-racing/56234556

"Gordon Elliott under investigation after image of him sat on top of a dead horse surfaces" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... faces.html

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:47 am

His explanation in the first link seems plausible enough, until you see the photo in the second link.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:55 am

Exactly, he isn’t just gesturing to somebody because he is on the phone.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:05 am

It's not good is it. I was hoping it was photo shopped as some had claimed.

He's obviously fell out with someone close enough to him to take the photo and get it published.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:15 am

He quite likes that gesture,he uses it as a sign of triumph..was he glad the horse was dead?
Obnoxious man who obviously dosent care for his livestock

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Here he is with same two fingered salute as when hes sat on his dead horse

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:27 am

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:15 am
He quite likes that gesture,he uses it as a sign of triumph..was he glad the horse was dead?
Obnoxious man who obviously dosent care for his livestock

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Here he is with same two fingered salute as when hes sat on his dead horse

It's not a pet, and he doesn't own it. He's unlikely to be too emotional about one of many horses which he is temporarily looking after. It's a bad taste photo, but there are professions where death of animals is a way of life, and this is one of them.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:39 am

dsr wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:27 am
It's not a pet, and he doesn't own it. He's unlikely to be too emotional about one of many horses which he is temporarily looking after. It's a bad taste photo, but there are professions where death of animals is a way of life, and this is one of them.

So he straddles it makes a phone call and gives a victory sign...some way of life eh?

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:03 am

The Shadsworth massif are inconsolable.

DomBFC1882 · Post by **DomBFC1882** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:07 am

Disgusting and extremely sad. Hope his horses are banned from running at Cheltenham

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:26 am

Caballo wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:47 am
His explanation in the first link seems plausible enough, until you see the photo in the second link.

I read the BBC article this morning and could just about believe the reason given. Seeing the picture though, it’s obvious that he’s doing his utmost to invent a plausible excuse.

That could easily be interpreted as someone pleased to have been proven right in saying that the horse wasn’t up to it, having been run to death.

I don’t care if he’s immune to seeing dead horses because he works with them day in day out. He’s a trainer and his priority should be the welfare of the animals ahead of everything else, including winning races.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:26 am

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:39 am
So he straddles it makes a phone call and gives a victory sign...some way of life eh?

Like I said - bad taste. To him, the death of a horse (this particular horse anyway) was not a tragedy, any more than it is when a farmer loses a sheep. It's a financial loss, but not something to mourn. You might as well ask a chef to mourn over a leg of lamb.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:30 am

dsr wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:26 am
Like I said - bad taste. To him, the death of a horse (this particular horse anyway) was not a tragedy, any more than it is when a farmer loses a sheep. It's a financial loss, but not something to mourn. You might as well ask a chef to mourn over a leg of lamb.

He’s a trainer of animals. He’s not in the business of breeding animals for slaughter. Comparing the two is ridiculous.

Ipreferaflan · Post by **Ipreferaflan** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:47 am

dsr wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:27 am
It's not a pet, and he doesn't own it. He's unlikely to be too emotional about one of many horses which he is temporarily looking after. It's a bad taste photo, but there are professions where death of animals is a way of life, and this is one of them.

His reaction to a death of an animal should be in no way different to anyone else who has any level of care towards them. He should be judged purely on the very odd and disrespectful act of sitting on a dead horse.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:44 pm

Caballo wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:47 am
His explanation in the first link seems plausible enough, until you see the photo in the second link.

A bit like the Hennessey (I think it was him) Nazi salute.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:35 pm

FWIW I think he should have his license suspended for the remainder of this year and be reviewed from there. It probably won't happen because money talks. But this distasteful act brings into focus horse welfare perceptions to question and also brings racing into disrepute as a whole at a time when the powers that be are trying to improve the image of the product

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:41 pm

DomBFC1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:07 am
Disgusting and extremely sad. Hope his horses are banned from running at Cheltenham

He trains the horses not own them, why would you punish someone who owns a horse by banning them ?

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:05 pm

He’s clearly not a Rovers fan. They never look a gift horse in the mouth !!!!

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:30 pm

It's looking like Elliot could receive a lengthy suspension from running his horses over here

"Leading horse racing trainer Gordon Elliott will be banned for more than a year over 'horrendous and horrific' picture of him sat on a dead horse, talkSPORT told" https://talksport.com/sport/racing/8422 ... photo/amp/

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:26 pm

Wow,I'm amazed that the trainer has let that picture get out.. He must have known who took it.. More fool him .. If you desrespect the dead whoever/whatever it is you deserve all the stick you get.. Probably ruined his great career with that.. Serves him right the Fool.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:00 pm

conyoviejo wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:26 pm
Wow,I'm amazed that the trainer has let that picture get out.. He must have known who took it.. More fool him .. If you desrespect the dead whoever/whatever it is you deserve all the stick you get.. Probably ruined his great career with that.. Serves him right the Fool.

His explanation is laughable....and people still defend his actions.....disgusting man.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:02 pm

Now banned from having runners in the UK by the BHA pending the Irish Racing investigation outcome

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:19 pm

Whats it got to do with Tony Bloom???

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:27 pm

His explanation was pathetic, it was akin to flogging a dead... oh, hang on.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:39 pm

Gordon Elliott: 'I will spend my life paying for indefensible moment of madness'
https://www.racingpost.com

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:43 pm

What he did was horrendous but cannot agree with the pile on “cancel culture “ he is getting.

He should get a fine/few months ban at most.

We have lost the ability to forgive, Mick Quinn the former footballer got banned for 3 years around the turn of the century after the authorities found 3 of his horses to be in a poor condition after being left outside, yet he was forgiven and he now has horses that he trains

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:07 pm

It's looking possiblyl like that there may be some more revelations to follow regarding Elliot too. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:23 pm

He's having a nightmare.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:24 pm

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:07 pm
It's looking possiblyl like that there may be some more revelations to follow regarding Elliot too. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out

Meteoric rise for an Unknown.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:29 pm

Dy1geo wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:43 pm
What he did was horrendous but cannot agree with the pile on “cancel culture “ he is getting.

He should get a fine/few months ban at most.

We have lost the ability to forgive, Mick Quinn the former footballer got banned for 3 years around the turn of the century after the authorities found 3 of his horses to be in a poor condition after being left outside, yet he was forgiven and he now has horses that he trains

To an extent I agree. As I posted earlier he should have his license suspended until the end of the year and move on from there.

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:01 pm

It is the modern way for the punishment to know no bounds, heavily influenced by the media.

The image shows a snapshot in time, and most likely does not give the whole story.

People can’t look at anything objectively anymore, evidence doesn’t seem to matter.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:41 am

The images on those links are not very nice, but its hardly the crime of the century.
As with most things in modern life, he has probably made a mistake by holding up his hand and apologising. The offended by everything generation no longer accept that token and will want every single pound of flesh, along with some sort of compensation for their hurt feelings

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:30 am

Damo wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:41 am
The images on those links are not very nice, but its hardly the crime of the century.
As with most things in modern life, he has probably made a mistake by holding up his hand and apologising. The offended by everything generation no longer accept that token and will want every single pound of flesh, along with some sort of compensation for their hurt feelings

Spot on. You only have to look at the comments of those delicate snowflakes who read the Daily Mail to see that.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... InlineText

What sort of world are we living in where we can't posr for photos whole straddling a dead horse?

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:31 am

He was on the phone to Ebay, he was flogging a dead horse.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:07 am

Well I said their could be more to come out

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... horse.html

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:12 am

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:07 am
Well I said their could be more to come out

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... horse.html

It will be the tip of the iceberg mate,this kind of animal abuse is rife,it makes you wonder what the horses that are alive go through at the hands of these sadistic tw@ts

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:17 am

Straddling a dead horse will be the toffs equivalent to the scums ice bucket challenge

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:42 am

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:12 am
It will be the tip of the iceberg mate,this kind of animal abuse is rife,it makes you wonder what the horses that are alive go through at the hands of these sadistic tw@ts

It's looking like another Elliot video is about to drop. Someone has been storing stuff up for quite sometime it seems.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:46 am

From an animal rights perspective is sitting on a dead horse better than sitting on a live one?

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:54 am

It is hard to make comparisons in relation to digressions as to how to ensure that the punishment fits the crime. For me there is a difference between doing something as a joke and crossing the line to something that should never be done.

When you work with animals this sort of stuff should not happen and you shouldn’t work with the animals again if they do. For me it’s as simple as that. If I worked in a bank and stole a tenner from the till I would expect to be sacked and never get a job in a bank again.

For all those saying he shouldn’t be hung out to dry for this I understand the sentiment but there are things (like this) that should not happen, joke or not. I don’t think he should work in the industry any more because it is not acceptable.

You only have to watch Mick Fitzgerald yesterday to understand what proper racing people think of this...an absolute disgrace

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:26 am

Inchy wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:46 am
From an animal rights perspective is sitting on a dead horse better than sitting on a live one?

That’s a brilliant point.

Not only that, but all those with a strong view of what he’s done, will most likely have an animal on their plate tonight.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:30 am

Tiger Roll withdraw from the National due to "unfair weight" allocation.

It's taken them 3 weeks to work that out, yeah reyt

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:37 am

Dyched wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:26 am
That’s a brilliant point.

Not only that, but all those with a strong view of what he’s done, will most likely have an animal on their plate tonight.

That's true, myself included, but I won't eat venison... it's just too dear.

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:41 am

Was told this morning that if certain things come out he is in real trouble ..............

In a one word , women .

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:41 am

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:30 am
Tiger Roll withdraw from the National due to "unfair weight" allocation.

It's taken them 3 weeks to work that out, yeah reyt

Very surprised that owners haven't started removing horses from his yard.

Can't see Cheveley Park allowing Envoi Allen to potentially miss Cheltenham or any other owners being unable to race at the festival

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:55 am

Tribesmen wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:41 am
Was told this morning that if certain things come out he is in real trouble ..............

In a one word , women .

There was a couple of murmurings last night of two incidents regarding females (one ex staff) last night

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:49 pm

Tribesmen wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:41 am
Was told this morning that if certain things come out he is in real trouble ..............

In a one word , women .

Photos of him sat on dead women?

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:17 pm

BREAKING NEWS

Chievley Park are removing all horses from Elliots yard

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:24 pm

https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/new ... _TIGERROLL

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:28 pm

“I was standing over the horse waiting to help with the removal of the body, in the course of which, to my memory I received a call and, without thinking, I sat down to take it. Hearing a shout from one of my team, I gestured to wait until I was finished."

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:35 pm

Surprised it took as long but Cheveley Park have removed all horses from his yard and placed them with 2 other trainers.