Piers Morgan

[Grumps]

"Wow... I didn't realise that, thanks for telling us"..............


No problem, Grumps - you seem confused. Why change tack and refer to other parts of Harry's interview ?

It should be interesting to see what examples of Harry throwing members of the family under the bus you can find.............

Point is, he didn't want to name names regarding the racist - or at best moronic - comment about the baby's skin colour. His prerogative.

Explained above....

[Rileybobs]

There was only one person he accused of breaking contact, and taking a lot of work to get any relationship back, suggesting to me something major had happened.... Might just be me putting 2 and 2 together and making 8

OK, gotcha. Not sure why that has any relevance to the other allegation though?

[Grumps]

OK, gotcha. Not sure why that has any relevance to the other allegation though?

I would have thought that was obvious

[evensteadiereddie]

You can probably appreciate the difference between discussing a damaged relationship with Prince Charles and naming the person responsible for speculating how black his unborn child might be.
Again, who in their right mind would even think about asking the question ? It's a question of what H was comfortable in revealing during the interview. I mean, come on, Charles has a pretty mean record when it comes to his relationships and their aftermath. I don't think that revelation should surprise anyone.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

So you're saying it's Charles asking the question?

[evensteadiereddie]

I've absolutely no idea - I don't suppose we'll ever know.

[Rileybobs]

I would have thought that was obvious

It's not obvious to me. I don't see the relevance.

[Grumps]

So you're saying it's Charles asking the question?

It's a possibility, but like I said 2 and 2 could make 8

We all have opinions, some will be wrong, so will be right

[Jakubclaret]

We're talking about the racist comment and Harry's reaction to it.................

The racist comment is in doubt to start with, your starting point commences with that possible flawed assumption!

[Lowbankclaret]

There was only one person he accused of breaking contact, and taking a lot of work to get any relationship back, suggesting to me something major had happened.... Might just be me putting 2 and 2 together and making 8

To add some balance, Prince Charles provided Harry with money to carry on living his life style and still does apparently. Si I agree with you, it was Charles he complained about and I think that was unwise being as he is paying all your bills.

[Lowbankclaret]

So you're saying it's Charles asking the question?

Oprah has said Harry said it wasn’t either of The Queen or Prince Philip.

[Rileybobs]

Oprah has said Harry said it wasn’t either of The Queen or Prince Philip.

Which leaves countless other people who it could be. And if it is Charles then it seems like Harry made the sensible decision to not drop his father into a whole world of bother.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Didn't drop anyone in it, but left it open so it can become a witch hunt instead..

One way to generate further interest in their story in the US and UK.

[Rileybobs]

Didn't drop anyone in it, but left it open so it can become a witch hunt instead..

One way to generate further interest in their story in the US and UK.

I think naming the person would have been a better way to generate further interest.

[Darthlaw]

Apart from they'd leave themselves open for a massive slander lawsuit without proof.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I think naming the person would have been a better way to generate further interest.

Nah, not naming them increases the interest, opens up the option of a 2nd interview

[Lowbankclaret]

I think naming the person would have been a better way to generate further interest.

If he did name them and it was Charles, he might well then be skint quickly.

You guys might have a point it was him, bet he was surprised by Harry’s hair colour.

[Zlatan]

Sensible option for The Firm is to pin it on Andy and say he was stressed (not sweating mind) and didn’t mean anything by the question...

[dermotdermot]

Didn't drop anyone in it, but left it open so it can become a witch hunt instead..

One way to generate further interest in their story in the US and UK.

Exactly. A horrible thing to have done from a truly horrible couple. I hear today that Kate Middleton is now receiving racist abuse and threats on Twitter. A totally unnecessary thing to have done over something that might or might not have been said. Vindictive beyond belief.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Exactly. A horrible thing to have done from a truly horrible couple. I hear today that Kate Middleton is now receiving racist abuse and threats on Twitter. A totally unnecessary thing to have done over something that might or might not have been said. Vindictive beyond belief.

To be fair twitter is generally a cesspit at the best of times, with people making all sorts of bizarre claims.

There are some idiots who believe that the Crown altered the rules recently so Archie can't be a Prince.

Give the morons a week or so and they'll move onto the next thing they're instructed to get upset about.

[Lowbankclaret]

At the end of the day, I just think they have given the anti monarchy guys more ammunition.

I also fear for Harry and his family safety, due to his military service. He was and is a big target.

[bfcjg]

When we were expecting our first child,some of my friends would joke and say things like poor little sod if it looks like you, family would say will it be blond or dark haired, your eyes or hers, a little short arse like you etc, I never took offence, maybe it was a simple who will it look like statement that has been totally misconstrued and perhaps deliberately twisted to stir. I watched the interview and the number of Diana mentions were excessive, also a number of contradictions she stated she was told she had to do as she was told, no life of her own from now on, but when he joined in he stated that he was told she would have to keep acting or do other things to earn cash to pay for her security.
Won't comment on her mental health claims but hubby was patron of a number of charities so perhaps he should have spotted the signs.
I just think it was a tacky moan in by two spoilt brats who didn't get what they wanted.
On the subject of the race issue Harry said we offered to move to a commonwealth country Australia, Canada or New Zealand and carry out some duties from there. Lovely countries to live in with a predominantly white population and liberal cultures, he never mentioned any of these - Antigua and BarbudaAustraliaBangladeshBarbadosBelizeBotswanaBruneiCameroonCanadaDominicaFijiThe GambiaGhanaGrenadaGuyanaIndiaJamaicaKenyaKiribatiLesothoMalawiMalaysiaMalta*MauritiusMozambiqueNamibiaNauruNew ZealandNigeriaPakistanPapua New GuineaRepublic of Cyprus*RwandaSamoaSeychellesSierra LeoneSingaporeSolomon IslandsSouth AfricaSri LankaSt Christopher and NevisSt LuciaSt Vincent and the GrenadinesSwazilandThe BahamasTongaTrinidad and TobagoTuvaluUgandaUnited Kingdom*United Republic of TanzaniaVanuatuZambiaZimbabwe.
I'd have massive respect for them if they said we want to move to Bangladesh or Pakistan and work amongst the poor and destitute. Not many parties there though.

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[Rileybobs]

When we were expecting our first child,some of my friends would joke and say things like poor little sod if it looks like you, family would say will it be blond or dark haired, your eyes or hers, a little short arse like you etc, I never took offence, maybe it was a simple who will it look like statement that has been totally misconstrued and perhaps deliberately twisted to stir. I watched the interview and the number of Diana mentions were excessive, also a number of contradictions she stated she was told she had to do as she was told, no life of her own from now on, but when he joined in he stated that he was told she would have to keep acting or do other things to earn cash to pay for her security.
Won't comment on her mental health claims but hubby was patron of a number of charities so perhaps he should have spotted the signs.
I just think it was a tacky moan in by two spoilt brats who didn't get what they wanted.
On the subject of the race issue Harry said we offered to move to a commonwealth country Australia, Canada or New Zealand and carry out some duties from there. Lovely countries to live in with a predominantly white population and liberal cultures, he never mentioned any of these - Antigua and BarbudaAustraliaBangladeshBarbadosBelizeBotswanaBruneiCameroonCanadaDominicaFijiThe GambiaGhanaGrenadaGuyanaIndiaJamaicaKenyaKiribatiLesothoMalawiMalaysiaMalta*MauritiusMozambiqueNamibiaNauruNew ZealandNigeriaPakistanPapua New GuineaRepublic of Cyprus*RwandaSamoaSeychellesSierra LeoneSingaporeSolomon IslandsSouth AfricaSri LankaSt Christopher and NevisSt LuciaSt Vincent and the GrenadinesSwazilandThe BahamasTongaTrinidad and TobagoTuvaluUgandaUnited Kingdom*United Republic of TanzaniaVanuatuZambiaZimbabwe.
I'd have massive respect for them if they said we want to move to Bangladesh or Pakistan and work amongst the poor and destitute. Not many parties there though.
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I really hope you didn’t read that back before pressing the submit button.

[bfcjg]

I really hope you didn’t read that back before pressing the submit button.

Nah, I waited for you to do it for me.

[Dyched]

When we were expecting our first child,some of my friends would joke and say things like poor little sod if it looks like you, family would say will it be blond or dark haired, your eyes or hers, a little short arse like you etc, I never took offence, maybe it was a simple who will it look like statement that has been totally misconstrued and perhaps deliberately twisted to stir. I watched the interview and the number of Diana mentions were excessive, also a number of contradictions she stated she was told she had to do as she was told, no life of her own from now on, but when he joined in he stated that he was told she would have to keep acting or do other things to earn cash to pay for her security.
Won't comment on her mental health claims but hubby was patron of a number of charities so perhaps he should have spotted the signs.
I just think it was a tacky moan in by two spoilt brats who didn't get what they wanted.
On the subject of the race issue Harry said we offered to move to a commonwealth country Australia, Canada or New Zealand and carry out some duties from there. Lovely countries to live in with a predominantly white population and liberal cultures, he never mentioned any of these - Antigua and BarbudaAustraliaBangladeshBarbadosBelizeBotswanaBruneiCameroonCanadaDominicaFijiThe GambiaGhanaGrenadaGuyanaIndiaJamaicaKenyaKiribatiLesothoMalawiMalaysiaMalta*MauritiusMozambiqueNamibiaNauruNew ZealandNigeriaPakistanPapua New GuineaRepublic of Cyprus*RwandaSamoaSeychellesSierra LeoneSingaporeSolomon IslandsSouth AfricaSri LankaSt Christopher and NevisSt LuciaSt Vincent and the GrenadinesSwazilandThe BahamasTongaTrinidad and TobagoTuvaluUgandaUnited Kingdom*United Republic of TanzaniaVanuatuZambiaZimbabwe.
I'd have massive respect for them if they said we want to move to Bangladesh or Pakistan and work amongst the poor and destitute. Not many parties there though.
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This is a fantastic post that should be printed and handed out in schools to warn of the dangers of an uneducated human.

[bfcjg]

This is a fantastic post that should be printed and handed out in schools to warn of the dangers of an uneducated human.

Totally agree anybody who wears a swastika then means about racism is a classic example of an uneducated person.

[Lowbankclaret]

Now many commonwealth countries have come out and saying the monarchy does not support the commonwealth countries as Harry has said they monarchy is racist.
This was a shocking statement and the after effects could bring down the monarchy, oh yes and his own pay cheque.

[houseboy]

houseboy your laughter seems to be quickly turning into tears.

chin up you big girl.

Hi there again bud. So now you think I’m crying? I must admit you are great fun, especially the other night sweet boy. You weren’t complaining then where you??

By the way something you said baffled me...what does ‘garer ton enorme penis dans mes fesses er me faire hurler comme un cochon’ actually mean? You didn’t say.

[Peter Loo]

I find Morgan to be an obnoxious mouth piece personality and do hope he comes to a sticky end soon.

[evensteadiereddie]

The racist comment is in doubt to start with, your starting point commences with that possible flawed assumption!
[/quote

Yes, "possible" flawed assumption but, on the other hand, "possible not" flawed assumption !!!

Eeeee, nowt gets past you, does it Jakub...

[Wellsy1882]

Get piers back

[RingoMcCartney]

Strange isn't it..? The Queen who has reigned for 70 years, maintained cordial and friendly relations with 13 Prime Ministers, numerous world leaders and heads of state, other royal families and dignitaries, leaders and heads of faiths, academics and diplomats, representatives of every culture background and members of every group of society, suddenly has a problem with a minor TV personality who is on her second marriage, doesn't speak with her father and siblings, has had numerous fall outs with friends and peers, and shows multiple traits of being a sociopath.

Tough call to decide who the problem is...!

[Wile E Coyote]

it aint a burnley football post, where are the mods ?

[dermotdermot]

Shush!

[superdimitri]

These changes mean there must be no threads that could be considered political, religious, race related or COVID. Any such threads started will be removed and the poster potentially losing the right to post.

I guess they don't consider it to be political. Doesn't have anything to do with it being a football topic or not. Other topics are allowed, not only football.

[Damo]

Well this is a bit awkward
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jan ... rry-racism
Anyway, as you were

[bfcjg]

Well this is a bit awkward
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jan ... rry-racism
Anyway, as you were

That in my opinion is not only a racist slur but bullying as well. Be interesting to see what some posters on here who have bought every word uttered by MM and Harry think .

[Zlatan]

Well this is a bit awkward
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jan ... rry-racism
Anyway, as you were

That in my opinion is not only a racist slur but bullying as well. Be interesting to see what some posters on here who have bought every word uttered by MM and Harry think .

I'm not attempting to defend them per se, however I will point out that people can learn and develop over time and also people make mistakes from time to time.

To bring football into the discussion (God forbid!) and hypothesise for a moment.

Lets suppose that Barnes used to dive a lot to try and win penalties all the time, before Dyche advised him (and helped him learn) that is not the right thing to do - even though everyone else was doing it at the time (lets say 10 years ago).

Are you suggesting that its not right for Barnes to call out those who still dive because he used to do that 10 years ago; or is it right that he calls out players who dive now?

As the correct response is that he should be able to call out those who dive now because he has learnt about what is right and wrong, surely its OK for Harry to call out people if they do something that is wrong now even if he once did that wrong thing previously (you'll note the article was from 12 years ago).

[Swizzlestick]

Jakub, Damo AND Ringo?

Truly ambassador, you are really spoiling us.

[Burnley Ace]

Does the opportunity for reflection and growth apply to everyone? I’m sure that some people aren’t quite so forgiving about old Twitter comments or articles written by politicians or celebrities..

[Rileybobs]

Well this is a bit awkward
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jan ... rry-racism
Anyway, as you were

Does the very fact that Harry thought that these words were appropriate not go some way to underline his point?

And I don’t really understand how something he said 15 years ago has any bearing on something that happened a few years ago. Or are you inferring that because Harry once used racist remarks that he’s now not permitted to highlight issues of racism?

[Boss Hogg]

That in my opinion is not only a racist slur but bullying as well. Be interesting to see what some posters on here who have bought every word uttered by MM and Harry think .

Seems to be a lot of double standards by ‘celebs’ who court publicity. They love the media coverage when it’s favourable but are in outrage when it criticises them. Its just a PR stunt imo but may backfire and has opened a huge can of worms. Maybe they wanted the multi million pound payments from the Royals ( I’ve seen 5.6 million in the last full year quoted) and the celeb lifestyle but the Queen didn’t want to allow that. She’s bad news imo.

[bfcjg]

In such matters the truth is always blurred, my point is words can be manipulated . If Harry for example just went to a fancy dress with a swastika you'd say ok stupid idiotic but perhaps he might have thought it wasn't offensive possibly due to some of his forebears either being German or nazi sympathisers, but coupled up with the words uttered when he was an army officer would possibly indicate he is just plain stupid borderline racist which he obviously isn't as he married MM,( she would obviously have married him anyway if he was just a palace worker) no doubt his defence would have been it was just banter, a bit of team building, they call me hinger etc etc however someone may have innocently said will he look like you or Meghan and he has decided to use those words as a weapon to get his own back because the bank of granny and daddy and tax payer turned the tap off.

[Corky]

All I can say is thank god (not that I believe in one) that I am a republican.

[evensteadiereddie]

Jakub, Damo AND Ringo?

Truly ambassador, you are really spoiling us.

Quality.

[Hibsclaret]

Strange isn't it..? The Queen who has reigned for 70 years, maintained cordial and friendly relations with 13 Prime Ministers, numerous world leaders and heads of state, other royal families and dignitaries, leaders and heads of faiths, academics and diplomats, representatives of every culture background and members of every group of society, suddenly has a problem with a minor TV personality who is on her second marriage, doesn't speak with her father and siblings, has had numerous fall outs with friends and peers, and shows multiple traits of being a sociopath.

Tough call to decide who the problem is...!

Clever post, however, I would suggest there has been many issues over those 70 years, particularly family ones caused prominently by duty to the Crown above anything personal. Also, the Crown needs to always maintain the impression of cordiality and friendliness when the truth is at times far from that.

For example, you mention someone on their second marriage like it is something not normal but 3 of her 4 kids have been divorced. The institution does not allow the monarch to be divorced, I think, and whilst not suggesting they would have been if they could there are certainly many rumours of indiscretion within that marriage. As for not speaking to family, her son appears to not be speaking to her grandson at the minute. Don’t even get me started on some of the issues accelerating Diana’s personal problems and links between her son and Ghislaine Maxwell et all.

Like all these things there will be faults on both sides as others have said but there are certainly many people who have had issues with way royal protocols dictate how you can live once you are within the organisation.

[ClaretDiver]

Does the opportunity for reflection and growth apply to everyone? I’m sure that some people aren’t quite so forgiving about old Twitter comments or articles written by politicians or celebrities..

This is quite right, I read recently an article about a girl in America that lost her place at a top University due to a former classmate releasing a several year old twitter (or something like that) video clip where she makes, what some could construe as a racist comment...the fellow classmate released it years later to 'teach her a lesson'....that girls life was ruined by a petty action that was something that was said in a moment and dragged up years later when she probably had grown as a person and realised it was potentially wrong....

[arise_sir_charge]

I'm not attempting to defend them per se, however I will point out that people can learn and develop over time and also people make mistakes from time to time.

To bring football into the discussion (God forbid!) and hypothesise for a moment.

Lets suppose that Barnes used to dive a lot to try and win penalties all the time, before Dyche advised him (and helped him learn) that is not the right thing to do - even though everyone else was doing it at the time (lets say 10 years ago).

Are you suggesting that its not right for Barnes to call out those who still dive because he used to do that 10 years ago; or is it right that he calls out players who dive now?

As the correct response is that he should be able to call out those who dive now because he has learnt about what is right and wrong, surely its OK for Harry to call out people if they do something that is wrong now even if he once did that wrong thing previously (you'll note the article was from 12 years ago).

As with most things of this ilk it’s all about context, the remarks taken in isolation can be interpreted in any manner you want.

I’ve been in situations where it is the Asian that instigates the “Paki” thing and revels in it, I’ve been in plenty of others where it would be wholly inappropriate.

The one thing lacking in all that has been said is context and Oprah should have asked about it. In what context was the question asked? Was it a meeting to discuss formal business or was it a general family discussion around the dinner table or watching the TV about the excitement of a new baby and what the baby may be like, as every household has?

[Colburn_Claret]

Nobody knows the truth, or deceit, of what was said in the interview, I doubt we ever will, as the family will do nothing to extend this, and Harry must know that he has gone as far as he can.
Whatever the reality this interview was a massive mistake, a complete betrayal on Harry's part, and shows that neither would be good ambassadors for this country.

As an admitted royalist, I would also imagine that the reality of marrying into the Royal family, is a million miles away from the dream. It brings a responsibility, that ties you to a list of duties that will inevitably take over your life.
Members of the Royals don't clock on at 9 and clock off at 5. They are at the call 24 7, nor working that, but at the call. Foreign dignatories to be entertained. Ships to launch, factories, hospitals etc to open. Charities that call on their time for promoting, and meet and greet. Homework to be done on the people they have meetings with the next, so as to know who is who, and what the topic of the day is.The list can be overwhelming. Yes they get to meet famous people, stay in the best hotels, eat the finest of foods, but when your life is controlled by your responsibilities, and organised for you by a civil servant, the glamour would soon wear off. Even when you do get time off, you are followed everywhere by security and an entourage, finding time to actually live your own life will be rare. Put all this and cover it with a world press intent on finding anything, especially anything negative, to write about you, and you spend your whole life walking on eggshells in a goldfish bowl.

I wouldn't blame Meghan, or anyone else, that didn't want to do it. BUT you can't have your cake and eat it. If she wants to be a princess, that she has to accept that she had to act like one.
As for Archie, he falls under the same rules. Princess Anne never sought titles for Zara and Peter Phillips, because she wanted them to live a full and ordinary life. They are still the Queens grandchildren, and treated as such, but there is no slur because they weren't given titles.
Some people need to get over themselves, there can't be a pick and mix of royal duties, you are either in or out. I wouldn't blame anyone for wanting to be out, but you don't blame the household because you don't get your own way. They, I am sure, haven't been getting their own way either, for 80 years. That's why I have so much respect for what they do.

[superdimitri]

Nobody knows the truth, or deceit, of what was said in the interview, I doubt we ever will, as the family will do nothing to extend this, and Harry must know that he has gone as far as he can.
Whatever the reality this interview was a massive mistake, a complete betrayal on Harry's part, and shows that neither would be good ambassadors for this country.

As an admitted royalist, I would also imagine that the reality of marrying into the Royal family, is a million miles away from the dream. It brings a responsibility, that ties you to a list of duties that will inevitably take over your life.
Members of the Royals don't clock on at 9 and clock off at 5. They are at the call 24 7, nor working that, but at the call. Foreign dignatories to be entertained. Ships to launch, factories, hospitals etc to open. Charities that call on their time for promoting, and meet and greet. Homework to be done on the people they have meetings with the next, so as to know who is who, and what the topic of the day is.The list can be overwhelming. Yes they get to meet famous people, stay in the best hotels, eat the finest of foods, but when your life is controlled by your responsibilities, and organised for you by a civil servant, the glamour would soon wear off. Even when you do get time off, you are followed everywhere by security and an entourage, finding time to actually live your own life will be rare. Put all this and cover it with a world press intent on finding anything, especially anything negative, to write about you, and you spend your whole life walking on eggshells in a goldfish bowl.

I wouldn't blame Meghan, or anyone else, that didn't want to do it. BUT you can't have your cake and eat it. If she wants to be a princess, that she has to accept that she had to act like one.
As for Archie, he falls under the same rules. Princess Anne never sought titles for Zara and Peter Phillips, because she wanted them to live a full and ordinary life. They are still the Queens grandchildren, and treated as such, but there is no slur because they weren't given titles.
Some people need to get over themselves, there can't be a pick and mix of royal duties, you are either in or out. I wouldn't blame anyone for wanting to be out, but you don't blame the household because you don't get your own way. They, I am sure, haven't been getting their own way either, for 80 years. That's why I have so much respect for what they do.

Not to mention she could have pulled out at any moment. There's no way she didn't have any idea of what her life would be like beforehand. I'm no detective and the Mrs isn't either but you can tell so damn easily what's going on here. The lies are obvious and exuberant. When she's got what she wants out of him and is bored he'll be running back with his tail between his legs.

Someone said that it's terrible for Morgan to make these comments when she's openly talked about suffering mentally. But I personally feel she's doing worse and faking that she was suffering for the camera. She's playing every card she has because she knows nowadays you just can't oppose it.

She only wants publicity and to be famous. She's just one of those people.