Injured player rolling back into play

[Woodleyclaret]

There has been a couple of players injured as the went out of play lying off the pitch then rolling back on to get treated
Surely this should carry a booking as if they are really hurt they should stay off the pitch to get treated

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Didn't Luke Shaw do this the other night?

As they're re-entering the without the refs permission, if assume they're breaking some sort of football law...

[Rileybobs]

Didn't Luke Shaw do this the other night?

As they're re-entering the without the refs permission, if assume they're breaking some sort of football law...

Not if they haven’t officially left the field otherwise every time a player took a corner or a throw in they’d be committing an offence.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Not if they haven’t officially left the field otherwise every time a player took a corner or a throw in they’d be committing an offence.

Throw ins etc are different to leaving the pitch injured to then crawl back on so they can sit there and halt play, intentionally which is what Shaw did by all accounts.

[Claret]

I’ve always said that the punishment for feigning injury should be that opposing players have 60 seconds to actually give the cheating whinger the injury he’s feigning

[Darthlaw]

I remember David Silva did it against us for Citeh at the Emptihad, when we played them a few years ago.

[Claret]

The rules are clear. If you are Injured you leave the pitch to get treated, not come onto it for goodness sake! Refs need to get to grips with this.

[Quickenthetempo]

It's about time physio's were allowed straight on the pitch to treat players while the game carrys on.

A booking shall be issued for any player hitting the injured player or physio with the ball.

[Devils_Advocate]

Bloody hell, it probably only happens a couple of times a season and wastes a couple of minutes each time. They'd be more chance of reducing timewasting in the Premier League if refs "get to grips" with Nick Pope's antics ahead of this nonsense

[Leisure]

Bloody hell, it probably only happens a couple of times a season and wastes a couple of minutes each time. They'd be more chance of reducing timewasting in the Premier League if refs "get to grips" with Nick Pope's antics ahead of this nonsense

Put that rod away!

[Bosscat]

Bloody hell, it probably only happens a couple of times a season and wastes a couple of minutes each time. They'd be more chance of reducing timewasting in the Premier League if refs "get to grips" with Nick Pope's antics ahead of this nonsense

I think you're gonna need a bigger boat Quint

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[Devils_Advocate]

Not fishing, just highlighting how ludicrous it is getting concerned about something that has pretty much a zero impact in the grand scheme of things

What will it be next, a player deliberately not tying his laces quick enough!!

[wilks_bfc]

I’ve always said that the punishment for feigning injury should be that opposing players have 60 seconds to actually give the cheating whinger the injury he’s feigning

I’ve always found it odd that when a player has to go off for treatment following a foul, the opposition is “rewarded” by having the man advantage

[Bosscat]

Not fishing, just highlighting how ludicrous it is getting concerned about something that has pretty much a zero impact in the grand scheme of things

What will it be next, a player deliberately not tying his laces quick enough!!

Why the Pope reference if it wasn't aimed at the usual DA wind up then

[Devils_Advocate]

Why the Pope reference if it wasn't aimed at the usual DA wind up then

This is a good example to show how people dont get me when they say I am trolling or fishing.

Using Pope forces people to consider it in a different context and from a perspective where our club or players are the focus.

My point is that if you are going to have a go at other teams players deliberately wasting time then for your view to be valid and consistent you need to be prepared to have a go at our own players for deliberately wasting time i.e. Nick Pope

If you're happy to criticise Pope for timewasting and moan that the refs need to "get to grips" with it then fair enough but if you're gonna get upset about someone criticising Pope for the same thing you are criticising someone else then in my opinion your views are just rooted in bias and not worth taking seriously

So whether people agree with me or not or whether they like or dont like my style of posting as usual there is a genuine point I am making (albeit subtle) and not fishing or trolling. If people are sensitive enough to get upset by my original post then thats their problem as there was nothing personal or offensive in that post whatsoever

[jrgbfc]

Pope has turned time wasting into an art form.

[KRBFC]

Bloody hell, it probably only happens a couple of times a season and wastes a couple of minutes each time. They'd be more chance of reducing timewasting in the Premier League if refs "get to grips" with Nick Pope's antics ahead of this nonsense

It's like people on here forget we once had a goalkeeper booked in the 1st half of a game for timewasting We're the best timewasters in the league tbh.

[Chester Perry]

It's like people on here forget we once had a goalkeeper booked in the 1st half of a game for timewasting We're the best timewasters in the league tbh.

a key facet of the Billy Mercer goalkeeping school under Sean Dyche - Heaton did it superbly well, though picked up a few bookings, you often see the Burnley patented collect the ball easily and collapse to the ground in apparent exhaustion/coma from keepers across the league now, it can take 20 + seconds to recover from that.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

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We aren't the worst for it in the PL.

Even City only have 60% of effective playing time.

[RMutt]

So that thing about Everton never being relegated is a bit rubbish really. They’ve only been there half the time.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

There was an idea floated a few years ago to reduce match halves to 30 mins but to stop the clock everytime the ball was out of play.

Very few games have more than 60mins worth of actual game time from what I've been reading.

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ti ... how-fix-it

[dpinsussex]

The rules are clear. If you are Injured you leave the pitch to get treated, not come onto it for goodness sake! Refs need to get to grips with this.

You are assuming the ref has actually seen the player roll off and then back on. All the time the game is going on and players are screaming for fouls, diving in the penalty area, having a dig at their oppo, etc etc

If a player is injured they should stay where they are and wait for ref to call trainer on.

You are correct that they shouldn't roll back on to the field though. However, there is no need to leave the FOP to be treated, just you must leave once you have been treated. (Except if treatment lasts less time than the cautioning procedure)

They do this in order to get the game stopped usually when the other team has the ball and breaking. Hence if it us seen usually ignored as it would be unfair to penalise the attacking team.

If you were badly injured needing treatment you wouldnt be able to move. Ie you are feigning the extent of your injury.

If their own team has the ball and playing on they clearly do not deem their mates injury to be serious enough to kick the ball out of play for treatment.

The only one who looks like a mug is the soft lad on the floor feigning injury.

Technically the referee can caution under unsporting behaviour. It would be this category more than say entering FOP without permission. A player could argue he ended up off the pitch following the tackle and tried to continue and couldn't. Just opens a whole can of worms when advising why you are cautioning.

[timshorts]

a key facet of the Billy Mercer goalkeeping school under Sean Dyche - Heaton did it superbly well, though picked up a few bookings, you often see the Burnley patented collect the ball easily and collapse to the ground in apparent exhaustion/coma from keepers across the league now, it can take 20 + seconds to recover from that.

I seem to recall that Colin boulton was a prime exponent of this tactic well before our pope.

[Dark Cloud]

Pope has turned time wasting into an art form.

I actually think that's a bit harsh on Pope as every single professional footy player and team now regard it as part and parcel of "game management" (a euphemistic phrase which I always think is code for the art of time wasting!) It's sad to say I guess, that like a lot of things in football, when it's your team and payers doing it you kind of smile and take with a pinch of salt, but when the opposition are doing it you suddenly demand action!! It's just like Barnes' cheap free kicks and if one of our players was injured on the touchline you'd want him to make sure he was on the field and hopefully get play stopped rather than us soldiering on a man down. When it's another team it's suddenly cheating!

[box_of_frogs]

The solution is simple. Play doesn’t stop for injuries just like in rugby. Carry on playing with the physio on the field. The cheats will soon stop.

[bf2k]

Not fishing, just highlighting how ludicrous it is getting concerned about something that has pretty much a zero impact in the grand scheme of things

What will it be next, a player deliberately not tying his laces quick enough!!

Go on. Share with the group the antics you are alluding to.

[dsr]

The solution is simple. Play doesn’t stop for injuries just like in rugby. Carry on playing with the physio on the field. The cheats will soon stop.

Common misconception. Play does stop for injuries, as soon as there is a realistic chance that the action may go near the injured player.

In football, the ball moves around the field far more unpredictably. There is nowhere on the field where it can be reliably assumed the ball won't go near.

[Devils_Advocate]

Go on. Share with the group the antics you are alluding to.

One has already been mentioned in the way he throws himself down to the ground on the ball and lies on it for as long as he thinks he can get away with to waste time. Then just several other things where he takes longer than he should in taking his goal kicks or releasing the ball when he has control of it.

We've seen Pope start doing stuff like this in the first half of games when we set our stall out for a draw. It doesn't bother me as its all part and parcel of the professional game but I also don't get worked up and moan when opposition keepers or players do the same thing (its called having an objective and consistent opinion).

If a couple of times a season an injured player rolls back on the pitch then so what, in the grand scheme of things its not really making a difference and no worse than Pope timewasting

[Rileybobs]

If you don’t think that Pope time wastes like the best of them then you’re blinkered. He was an early pioneer of the fake short goal kick routine.

[dsr]

The smart thing about the fake short goal kick routine is that usually the other side have done it not as a fake, where they line up for a short one, our forwards are too close, so they wave everyone away and take it long. And once they have done it, they can hardly complain when we do it - because the ref isn't obliged to read the mind of the goalkeeper to see whether it's fake or not.

As for time wasting, my option would be to change the law so that if a team is time wasting, the decision is revered. Too long taking a throw = throw in the other way. Too long taking a goal kick = corner to the other side. And so on. As soon as a team is not getting on with the game, even to the extent of kicking the ball away at your own free kick, the decision is reversed. That would cut it doen if the rule was applied. Never mind bookings for time wasting, because that's too much of a blunt instrument and few refs will send off a man for a second booking for time wasting anyway.

[box_of_frogs]

Common misconception. Play does stop for injuries, as soon as there is a realistic chance that the action may go near the injured player.

In football, the ball moves around the field far more unpredictably. There is nowhere on the field where it can be reliably assumed the ball won't go near.

The ball In either won’t hurt someone if it accidentally hits them. An 18 stone forward smashing into you in rugby will. Absolutely no reason why footballers couldn’t play on whilst someone is pretending they’re injured. Obviously in a David Boust (sp?) style incident, play would stop.

[dsr]

The ball In either won’t hurt someone if it accidentally hits them. An 18 stone forward smashing into you in rugby will. Absolutely no reason why footballers couldn’t play on whilst someone is pretending they’re injured. Obviously in a David Boust (sp?) style incident, play would stop.

I suppose I could have been more specific. In football, the players often follow the ball, and it isn't the danger of the ball hitting the player that is an issue, it's the danger of the players following the ball. Yes, I realise that footballers only weigh 14 or 15 stone which is less than a rugby player, but it would still hurt if one of them landed on a broken leg.

Obviously the injured player being treated on the field would encourage the non-injured pretenders to get up; they deserve a player or two landing on top of them anyway. But we still have to give some consideration to the relatively rare occasions when an "injured" player really is injured.

[bodge]

14 or 15 stone ?

Have you been watching Fatty Foulkes ?

[dsr]

14 or 15 stone ?

Have you been watching Fatty Foulkes ?

One search, Virgil van Dijk, 14 and a half stone (92kg). A fair sized footballer will weigh 14 or 15 stone.

[box_of_frogs]

One search, Virgil van Dijk, 14 and a half stone (92kg). A fair sized footballer will weigh 14 or 15 stone.

Aye, and most are probably in the 11-12 max category.

Simple fact, the authorities need to get a grip and stop this ********.

[bf2k]

One has already been mentioned in the way he throws himself down to the ground on the ball and lies on it for as long as he thinks he can get away with to waste time. Then just several other things where he takes longer than he should in taking his goal kicks or releasing the ball when he has control of it.

You mean like EVERY other goalkeeper in the world who is trying to manage the game for their team???

[Devils_Advocate]

You mean like EVERY other goalkeeper in the world who is trying to manage the game for their team???

Yes, you really haven't grasped the point I was making at all

[bf2k]

Yes, you really haven't grasped the point I was making at all

No. No I haven’t. Probably because you haven’t got one