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Fans back before the season's end

Post by tiger76 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:54 pm

Strong hints from Richard Masters that fans will be admitted in the final weeks of the season, and to ensure fairness some fixtures will be moved.

Not sure what to make of this TBH, it's encouraging that fans will be allowed to attend, but whether it's a benefit for BFC I don't know.

If attendance is permitted by the time of our final home game it'll coincide with the visit of Liverpool, which isn't really ideal from our POV.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56381482

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Post by fidelcastro » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:57 pm

It'll play havoc with next seasons' season ticket cost!

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:42 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:54 pm
Strong hints from Richard Masters that fans will be admitted in the final weeks of the season, and to ensure fairness some fixtures will be moved.

Not sure what to make of this TBH, it's encouraging that fans will be allowed to attend, but whether it's a benefit for BFC I don't know.

If attendance is permitted by the time of our final home game it'll coincide with the visit of Liverpool, which isn't really ideal from our POV.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56381482
The Liverpool game could be a relegation 6-pointer.
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:43 pm

Let’s hope so. And ahead of the euros too. Could (Could) be some summer.

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:21 am

A populist silly idea.Lets start in August with all fans attending
10,000 fans is half our capacity and using any formula you like I feel us long distance travelling fans wont get a look in. Would the Scoucers have 1,000 away tickets or none?
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Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:30 am

I’d be all for it, happy to miss out though on a ticket, really not bothered about going on until we can all go on. I’ll watch it in the pub

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Post by leelad » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:58 am

Agree with Burnley1989. Encouraging news, but I'd rather go on when we can all go on. Hopefully when it's a full house.

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Post by Boss Hogg » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:02 am

I’d rather go on when more people have been vaccinated and cases along with the infection rate are lower. Best when everyone can go on who wants to so probably start of next season.
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Post by Awayfromburnley » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:15 am

Population placating nonsense.

It shouldn't, and I am still confident it, won't happen. Let summer take its course, review and hopefully start afresh with fans in summer.

What is the rush when we have come this far?

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:26 am

I wonder if the timing of this is so the impact can be seen and used to decide how to start the following season.

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Post by Leisure » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:45 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:26 am
I wonder if the timing of this is so the impact can be seen and used to decide how to start the following season.
Could be but to a certain extent though they've already had a 'dry run' with the clubs which were allowed 2000 fans a few months back.

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Post by Zlatan » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:51 am

This is clearly planned to be an experiment to find out if there are any “spikes” in the stats to see if we can safely host the Euro Championships

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:03 am

Let’s lock away until it’s gone away.... we might be waiting a while mind.

I’ve rigidly stuck to the rules as closely as possible. And been as disciplined as possible throughout.

But come may the overwhelmingly majority of the adult population will have been offered a vaccine and I’m sure almost all over fifty will have been offered two.

Ultimately that’s the most at risk group.

At that point transmission isn’t anywhere near as much of an issue once it doesn’t translate into serious illness and worse.

Summer. Outdoors. Limited capacity. Vaccinated fans. Some measures in place.

Don’t see the issue at all.

Whether it’s 2,000 or 20,000 it needs to start somewhere.

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Post by Winstonswhite » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:08 am

I was well for getting back ASAP but now I just think it’s absolutely pointless. More sh!t than it’s worth. I can’t see the clubs being for it either.

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Post by Claretforever » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:10 am

As much as I’ve had enough of the lockdowns now after a year of them, for the sake of one match I think I’d rather wait until July/August and have everyone back.

People will feel more comfortable when 20-30m have had their two doses, and probably 40 million+ have had at least one. Plus like last summer, the numbers dropped off a cliff. I want “normal” not people having to sit 4 seats away etc.

I’m not sure the demand will be as high as some people think for the one round of games?
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:12 am

Everyone wants normal. But normal doesn’t just happen overnight. It will be a gradual process. That’s everything. From return to work to visiting the doctors to going on the match.

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Post by CaptJohn » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:17 am

I certainly won't be back this season. I've got my 2nd covid jab scheduled for May but I'll wait until next season before deciding if I want to go back to football matches in person. Once they open the door slightly all sorts of issues will occur and I'll let others be the guinea pigs to see if it's safe. Not selfish but common sense IMHO.

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:18 am

Well if they let the fans back in this season I definitely wont be going on

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Post by alwaysaclaret » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:49 am

Claretforever wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:10 am
As much as I’ve had enough of the lockdowns now after a year of them, for the sake of one match I think I’d rather wait until July/August and have everyone back.

People will feel more comfortable when 20-30m have had their two doses, and probably 40 million+ have had at least one. Plus like last summer, the numbers dropped off a cliff. I want “normal” not people having to sit 4 seats away etc.

I’m not sure the demand will be as high as some people think for the one round of games?
Exactly the sort of strategy the government need to have about the whole thing, we simply need to eradicate this damn thing not have a new normal, we should all be striving for the old normal, and while there's untold damage to the economy and everyone's mental health, that damage is already done, the economy will recover eventually, people will have mental health relating to this pandemic for the rest of their lives, but to open up too soon just to lock back down again serves no purpose, this will simply do even further and deeper damage, too soon right now to even start to open up imo. It's definitely August for me,and a full house.

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Post by evensteadiereddie » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:50 am

I'll be going on, given the chance. I can't see the risk as being any greater than going to my local busy Coop, which I do most days. I'll have been vacced twice by then so, yup, if it happens, more than confident to go.

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Post by Leisure » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:32 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:21 am
A populist silly idea.Lets start in August with all fans attending
10,000 fans is half our capacity and using any formula you like I feel us long distance travelling fans wont get a look in. Would the Scoucers have 1,000 away tickets or none?
I may have missed it but I don't recall seeing anything mentioned about away fans being considered as part of the proposal. I would imagine that the home clubs/Police will have enough on their plate with home fans, without having to deal with away fans. Plus with some of the matches being very important top/bottom of the league games, they won't want to have to deal with away fans possibly traveling without tickets.
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Post by Grumps » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:44 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:32 pm
I may have missed it but I don't recall seeing anything mentioned about away fans being considered as part of the proposal. I would imagine that the home clubs/Police will have enough on their plate with home fans, without having to deal with away fans. Plus with some of the matches being very important top/bottom of the league games, they won't want to have to deal with away fans possibly traveling without tickets.
I would agree with you 100%
When it was first mooted about fans returning, supporters groups were pushing for away fans... CT was very vocal in his support for away fans to be allowed. Hopefully they don't push for it this time

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:47 pm

If anyone has some Scouse mates who wanna come over I believe Macca can sort out a few spare tickets. Just tell them to only wear a half and half scarf and keep their tracky top zipped up
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Re: Fans back before the season's end

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:53 pm

Why rush things and go back into another lockdown? I think we should be sensible and wait for the 2024/25 season and have a full house rocking the Turf.
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Post by aclaretinstevenage » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:14 pm

Awayfromburnley wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:15 am
Population placating nonsense.

It shouldn't, and I am still confident it, won't happen. Let summer take its course, review and hopefully start afresh with fans in summer.

What is the rush when we have come this far?
Exactly this!

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Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:20 pm

Let's get everyone vaccinated and see where we are.
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Post by BigRedrose » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:35 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:53 pm
Why rush things and go back into another lockdown? I think we should be sensible and wait for the 2024/25 season
Is this a joke? You want to delay fans returning until Aug 2024? Who/what is going to keep clubs afloat for another 3 and a half seasons? Totally bonkers suggestion.

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Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:50 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:03 am
But come may the overwhelmingly majority of the adult population will have been offered a vaccine and I’m sure almost all over fifty will have been offered two.
As of yesterday; here's some up-to-date info based on vaccination rates.

11 April - All Priority Groups received a 1st dose
7 August - All Adults received a 1st dose

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Post by Colburn_Claret » Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:00 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:54 pm
Strong hints from Richard Masters that fans will be admitted in the final weeks of the season, and to ensure fairness some fixtures will be moved.

Not sure what to make of this TBH, it's encouraging that fans will be allowed to attend, but whether it's a benefit for BFC I don't know.

If attendance is permitted by the time of our final home game it'll coincide with the visit of Liverpool, which isn't really ideal from our POV.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56381482
I've no idea what will happen, but I would expect baby steps approach.
In order to minimise any surge in cases I would expect that away fans will be banned for at least this season. I know that some Burnley fans could be travelling from the same town as the banned fans, but it's a lot easier to police and control.
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Post by jrgbfc » Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:45 pm

No chance of away fans. I'd like to think that by August though we'll be back to full grounds, including away supporters.

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Post by conyoviejo » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:19 pm

BigRedrose wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:35 pm
Is this a joke? You want to delay fans returning until Aug 2024? Who/what is going to keep clubs afloat for another 3 and a half seasons? Totally bonkers suggestion.
Well,if it isn't a joke Rilyeybobs has lost it. :lol:

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:27 pm

The focus for getting people back into grounds like with the vaccine should be on the most vulnerable and most at risk. That means the lower leagues should take priority and the Premier League should be at the back of the queue.

Due to all the TV money and how rich the clubs owners are the paying fan is not really needed in the Premier League and so getting them back into grounds is little more than a selfish vanity project

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Post by ksrclaret » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:35 pm

Excellent news. Sign me up. About time.

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Post by taio » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:41 pm

I'll be going on at the first opportunity. The immense vaccination effort should mean that's sooner rather than later along with other aspects of restoring society.
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:54 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:50 pm
As of yesterday; here's some up-to-date info based on vaccination rates.

11 April - All Priority Groups received a 1st dose
7 August - All Adults received a 1st dose
All over forty’s from Easter.

Easter is three weeks off.

Even without vaccine it is probably safe (but I acknowledge also not sensible yet) to do it now in all honesty.
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Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:08 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:54 pm
All over forty’s from Easter.

Easter is three weeks off.

Even without vaccine it is probably safe (but I acknowledge also not sensible yet) to do it now in all honesty.
Just in the interest of accuracy the "all over 40's by Easter" is a load of rubbish. The Telegraph ran it as the headline yet within the article itself it actually states this is not true

Its the problem we face with our news sources today as they are deliberately misleading and know a lot of people wont read passed the headline they want to hear

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Post by CaptainKirk » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:41 pm

BigRedrose wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:35 pm
Is this a joke? You want to delay fans returning until Aug 2024? Who/what is going to keep clubs afloat for another 3 and a half seasons? Totally bonkers suggestion.
Blimey Big R - you fell for that one.

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Post by bfcjg » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:59 pm

A vaccine passport should be compulsory to go to any mass attended sports event.
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:57 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:08 pm
Just in the interest of accuracy the "all over 40's by Easter" is a load of rubbish. The Telegraph ran it as the headline yet within the article itself it actually states this is not true

Its the problem we face with our news sources today as they are deliberately misleading and know a lot of people wont read passed the headline they want to hear
Perhaps. But the stats show that even that age group are extremely low risk anyway.

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:04 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:57 pm
Perhaps. But the stats show that even that age group are extremely low risk anyway.
Wasnt agreeing or disagreeing with your overall premise but the key is if youre gonna use evidence to support your viewpoint then make sure you understand what you are actually sharing

The article headline is a sham and if you can be that lazy about that then why should people trust the other things you share and say

Not a personal dig but an unreliable media that happily prints falsehoods and shares propaganda is a real danger to society and has already done a lot of damage in respect to how our country has handled the virus

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Post by BigRedrose » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:18 pm

CaptainKirk wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:41 pm
Blimey Big R - you fell for that one.
Sorry Captain, I'm still none the wiser! I might be getting a bit slower in my frail dotage but have I missed something?

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:27 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:04 pm
Wasnt agreeing or disagreeing with your overall premise but the key is if youre gonna use evidence to support your viewpoint then make sure you understand what you are actually sharing

The article headline is a sham and if you can be that lazy about that then why should people trust the other things you share and say

Not a personal dig but an unreliable media that happily prints falsehoods and shares propaganda is a real danger to society and has already done a lot of damage in respect to how our country has handled the virus
Again. Even if nobody under 50 has a vaccine the stats show that they’re very low risk anyway.

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Re: Fans back before the season's end

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:39 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:27 pm
Again. Even if nobody under 50 has a vaccine the stats show that they’re very low risk anyway.
OK, but there's other things to consider if we were to have a detailed discussion as your view is a little simplistic. As it is I dont think its needed and have no problem with your opinion

Again, its the fact you used a bullsh*t headline to support your point which was my issue. My aim was not just to correct you but that I dont think on a messageboard its good to share propaganda even if you dont mean to as others will take it as a fact at face value (which is the articles bad faith intention)

I also thought you might appreciate getting the heads up that you've been hoodwinked but if youre not bothered then fair enough

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Re: Fans back before the season's end

Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:05 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:57 pm
Perhaps. But the stats show that even that age gr
oup are extremely low risk anyway.
Those stats you linked to are for deaths, but it's not only about fatalities. Hundreds of thousands have been successfully treated in hospital. If we had let this thing rip, the NHS wouldn't have been able to cope and many more would have died and in all age groups too.

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Re: Fans back before the season's end

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:41 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:05 pm
Those stats you linked to are for deaths, but it's not only about fatalities. Hundreds of thousands have been successfully treated in hospital. If we had let this thing rip, the NHS wouldn't have been able to cope and many more would have died and in all age groups too.
Again. Like deaths. The vast majority of those Ill enough to end up in hospital are in the much older age bracket. Again. The overwhelming majority of which have been vaccinated.

I’m not advocating stopping vaccines now. Or stopping measures.

Just making the point that it’s another two months until the games in May.

Over 20m have been vaccinated.

In Burnley over 80% of 60+ year olds have been vaccinated.

We are nationally vaccinating 400k a day in some cases.

But let’s say that tails off. And it’s only half that. That’s still another 12 million people by May.

The numbers are going down. The deaths are going down. The jabs are going up.

Opening up to 20,000 in august having done no ‘trial runs’ in May would actually be more foolish and risky. Than not having some smaller scale test runs in May.

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Re: Fans back before the season's end

Post by tiger76 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:59 pm

To try and return this thread to the original topic.

The FA Cup final could see 20k in attendance as part of a series of test events this spring. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/56378289
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Re: Fans back before the season's end

Post by NewClaret » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:27 am

Personally think we should get everyone vaccinated and then all go back next season. Although I do appreciate we probably need to test the impact somehow first.

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