Brady injured

[dibraidio]

Qatar? Did Ireland really need to play a friendly against Qatar at this particular time?

Qatar don't need to qualify for the world cup so they need to play friendlies. I still think playing the world cup there is an aberration but that's another story.

[Erasmus]

I noticed that there were two Gudmunssons playing for Iceland in the 0-2 loss to Armenia on Sunday, so one of them must have been ours. One was subbed on 77 minutes but I don't think it was an injury, so hopefully Johan will be back fully fit and with a couple matches under his belt.

[northeastclaret]

Unfortunately Iceland and England Under 21’s play again tonight so worryingly still time for our return to form to be shattered.

[Jakubclaret]

Generally speaking no successful business anywhere can afford to pay people for doing next to nothing, the same applies generally everywhere, might be odd exceptions such as the fat cats sat in boardrooms & multi millionaire business tycoons.

[gtclaret]

So I presume you'd refuse sick pay if you were off work sick?

Congratulations, you've just surpassed the previous silliest comment. Players are on fixed term contracts, which when they expire can either move on or be released. When Brady was given the extension to his contract, he already had a history of continuous injuries. I don't blame Brady for taking it, I don't blame Brady for being injured. The facts are, that we are paying a wage to someone who cannot justify earning it,and it was preventable. I said even Brady himself would agree with that

[Rileybobs]

Congratulations, you've just surpassed the previous silliest comment. Players are on fixed term contracts, which when they expire can either move on or be released. When Brady was given the extension to his contract, he already had a history of continuous injuries. I don't blame Brady for taking it, I don't blame Brady for being injured. The facts are, that we are paying a wage to someone who cannot justify earning it,and it was preventable. I said even Brady himself would agree with that

He can justify earning it because his injury is a result of an occupational hazard. Whether or not anyone decides to give him a new contract is another matter. But currently he certainly can justify earning his wage.

[Jakubclaret]

Congratulations, you've just surpassed the previous silliest comment. Players are on fixed term contracts, which when they expire can either move on or be released. When Brady was given the extension to his contract, he already had a history of continuous injuries. I don't blame Brady for taking it, I don't blame Brady for being injured. The facts are, that we are paying a wage to someone who cannot justify earning it,and it was preventable. I said even Brady himself would agree with that

Never discount that effort being trumped by another poster

[Elizabeth]

Whatever people think of Brady, Dyche is his support system and fits him into his programme . He must have the good habits and technique he looks for in players.
I hope it is something the fitness room know about and can get him back on the field again before the end of the season for his now cameo role.

[Leisure]

No idea! The thread is discussing RB & nobody else.

Then why say? - There’s been injured & been injured, the situation we have with some is they are never nothing else. Some people are institutionally injured habitually it doesn’t matter who’s fault it is, get shut no good to man nor beast.

'Some' indicates more than one, so why single out Brady?

[Leisure]

Congratulations, you've just surpassed the previous silliest comment. Players are on fixed term contracts, which when they expire can either move on or be released. When Brady was given the extension to his contract, he already had a history of continuous injuries. I don't blame Brady for taking it, I don't blame Brady for being injured. The facts are, that we are paying a wage to someone who cannot justify earning it,and it was preventable. I said even Brady himself would agree with that

The manager obviously doesn't agree with you and it's his opinion which counts! What has a fixed term contract got to do with it? Whilst he is on contract he is entitled to be paid, injury free or not.

PS - What was the previous silliest comment? Was it one of yours?

[Leisure]

I presume you’d offer Brady another contract

I'm not in a position to offer anyone a contract but if the manager does so, then fine. But whilst he's one of our players he should be supported and not have childish comments leveled at him eg he's stealing a wage etc

[joey13]

I'm not in a position to offer anyone a contract but if the manager does so, then fine. But whilst he's one of our players he should be supported and not have childish comments leveled at him eg he's stealing a wage etc

So starting off with “I’m not in a position to offer anyone a contract “ isn’t childish, aye ok then

[jojomk1]

Considering the actual game time and, therefore, contribution to the cause that Brady has been able to give over the last 18 months or so, I would not have expected a new contract to be on offer.
But clearly Dyche wants him to stay and it's just that Brady is waiting until the end of the season to see what other options come around.
He is a mate of Hendrick and will see the financial gain Jeff has made by moving to Newcastle (yes, money does matter to these guys)
Brady's case is slightly different because his injury history may well put other clubs off considering making him an offer
Would the club then still attempt to keep him on if RB decides no other offers are going to come around so he might as well stay
Maybe Dyche wants him to stay because he sees little chance of suitable funds being made available in the summer for a replacement (wages for any new player may well be around the same level but you have to factor in a transfer fee)

[CrosspoolClarets]

Brady has played over 1,000 minutes in the PL this season, so whilst not ideal he has still contributed. His goal and assist were both important (Everton and Sheff Utd). Having squad players who can produce a few vital contributions can be the key to staying up. I’d rather Dyche had Brady than someone fully fit but less talented who struggles to make an impression at this level. Even players like McNeil struggle at times, lesser players disappear in matches without trace. Brady isn’t one of those.

[Jakubclaret]

I'm not in a position to offer anyone a contract but if the manager does so, then fine. But whilst he's one of our players he should be supported and not have childish comments leveled at him eg he's stealing a wage etc

& by that same token I’m also not in a position to start discussing other sick notes, because I mentioned “some” wasn’t necessarily the starting point for discussing other sick notes, I didn’t wish to detract from the RB thread & still don’t, I’m happy discussing RB contributions but to be fair the conversation would be extremely minimal.

[Leisure]

& by that same token I’m also not in a position to start discussing other sick notes, because I mentioned “some” wasn’t necessarily the starting point for discussing other sick notes, I didn’t wish to detract from the RB thread & still don’t, I’m happy discussing RB contributions but to be fair the conversation would be extremely minimal.

Fair enough, I was just interested to know who else you may want to get rid of because they get injured.

'I’m happy discussing RB contributions but to be fair the conversation would be extremely minimal - see CrosspoolClarets post.

[Iloveyoubrady]

Whilst he was absolutely disastrous vs Fulham, he isn’t that bad. He can’t keep fit though so if we have the money we could replace him easily.

[Leisure]

So starting off with “I’m not in a position to offer anyone a contract “ isn’t childish, aye ok then

Factual answer to a question I was asked.

[tiger76]

Brady has played over 1,000 minutes in the PL this season, so whilst not ideal he has still contributed. His goal and assist were both important (Everton and Sheff Utd). Having squad players who can produce a few vital contributions can be the key to staying up. I’d rather Dyche had Brady than someone fully fit but less talented who struggles to make an impression at this level. Even players like McNeil struggle at times, lesser players disappear in matches without trace. Brady isn’t one of those.

The difference comparing Brady and JBG is we forked out £13m for the former and less than £2m for the latter, now that's not Robbie Brady's fault, but inevitably his big transfer fee for a modest return is bound to be highlighted, ditto Gibson at £15m, if Robbie has played around a 1,000 minutes in the PL, then he's averaging 1 game in 3, and well he's made some useful contributions now and again, he hasn't had a sustained run of form or fitness for over 3 years now, and given we have such a shallow squad can we really afford to continue gambling on his fitness given his track record of injuries, and I'm not privy to our salary scale, but I'd wager that RB is amongst our top earners, and even taking into account any potential transfer outlay on a new signing, I still think the time has come to let Robbie go I'm afraid, I'd love him to get back to full fitness, but in reality it's not going to happen is it.

[Boss Hogg]

Nobody in their right mind wants to see players injured. The frustration is at another inept transfer window by the club. We needed another winger before this.

[Taffy on the wing]

Lookman needs to be a top priority we missed out not signing him from Charlton when he was cheap

No chance!..........Destined for a top six team.IMO.

[Jacko]

Lookman is not, presently, anywhere near top six quality. He looks one of Fulham's best players but even there he flatters to deceive and he is, very likely, about to be relegated. Ability-wise he's our level, or certainly should be.

On Brady, I've never been wholly convinced by the argument that we 'can't afford' to carry the wages of an injured player. It's not as simple as swap one injured player for one who isn't. There's the transfer fee involved in bringing in someone new versus taking a considered risk on retaining the services of someone. Plus on this occasion, assume there'll be insurance payable form ROI if it's long term - most international teams these days pay club compensation (it's also possible that Burnley insure against injuries but I don't know whether they do or not). My main issue with Brady is whether he's good enough when fit, which I think is a different question entirely.

[jojomk1]

On form over the last two seasons Brady does not start if JBG and McNeill are fit
On top of that he is a higher wage earner - we are not getting our money's worth
If funds are available to replace him and Lennon he must go

[Jakubclaret]

Fair enough, I was just interested to know who else you may want to get rid of because they get injured.

'I’m happy discussing RB contributions but to be fair the conversation would be extremely minimal - see CrosspoolClarets post.

In fairness I’m not disputing any of this, are we settling for less & getting our bellies tickled in the process tolerating this? We know he’s on a fair old wedge, I struggle to comprehend how it’s not possible to get some sort of reliable replacement in who could make the same/similar impact on a consistent basis for somewhere in the same region wage wise, we are taking it hard with no Vaseline on show for quite awhile now.

[Leisure]

In fairness I’m not disputing any of this, are we settling for less & getting our bellies tickled in the process tolerating this? We know he’s on a fair old wedge, I struggle to comprehend how it’s not possible to get some sort of reliable replacement in who could make the same/similar impact on a consistent basis for somewhere in the same region wage wise, we are taking it hard with no Vaseline on show for quite awhile now.

Possibly but how much is that going to cost fee wise? Also, can you let me know how much Brady is on, just so I know what a 'fair wedge' is?

[Jakubclaret]

Possibly but how much is that going to cost fee wise? Also, can you let me know how much Brady is on, just so I know what a 'fair wedge' is?

35k reportedly, if you break it down to fitness appearances minutes & the figure, he won’t be far off the top earners at Liverpool & city based on the contributions over the time.

[Leisure]

35k reportedly, if you break it down to fitness appearances minutes & the figure, he won’t be far off the top earners at Liverpool & city based on the contributions over the time.

Where has the 35k figure come from?

[joey13]

Factual answer to a question I was asked.

[Jakubclaret]

Where has the 35k figure come from?

About 5/6 different websites banding that figure or thereabouts, I can post them if you disbelieve me or alternatively Google - Robbie Brady’s wages, it’s not difficult.

[Leisure]

About 5/6 different websites banding that figure or thereabouts, I can post them if you disbelieve me or alternatively Google - Robbie Brady’s wages, it’s not difficult.

Thanks. It's not that I disbelieve you but I'm amazed that this sort of information is available in the public domain. Unless it's a best guess!

[Jakubclaret]

Thanks. It's not that I disbelieve you but I'm amazed that this sort of information is available in the public domain. Unless it's a best guess!

Every single player pretty much so’s wage is in the public domain, but I do agree we can’t be sure, it’s only rough estimates won’t factor in certain bonuses whether achieved or not achieved, it’s a flat whole figure. No way of knowing unless you ask the player themselves.