England vs Poland

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:26 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:23 pm
Anyone that says Pope didn’t do something wrong there is simply just biased.

Pope did a misplaced pass that made stones run about 15 yards backwards towards his own goal.

Unfortunately this will most likely be his last appearance for England. He has looked like a fish out of water.

Or alternatively, he played the ball to where the space was, affording Stones the time to control the ball, assess his options and play the right pass.

Unfortunately, Stones played himself into trouble.

Jimmymaccer · Post by **Jimmymaccer** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:27 pm

Well bugger me........slabhead bags one............

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:27 pm

Good finish by Maguire

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:27 pm

Did that corner go out of play ?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:27 pm

Great Finish ......

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:27 pm

Stones & Maguire.......what a partnership!!

gsyclaret · Post by **gsyclaret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:28 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:25 pm
That is arguably one of the top 5 back fours in the Euros this summer each costing over £50m. Not sure what you are going on about

what difference does the price make, if you are crap you are crap

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:29 pm

Stones and Maguire were magnificent and for the goal. Qatar here we come.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:29 pm

DCWat wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:26 pm
Or alternatively, he played the ball to where the space was, affording Stones the time to control the ball, assess his options and play the right pass.

Unfortunately, Stones played himself into trouble.

Potentially, I just think if he passes it to stones feet instead of making him run back towards goal then that goal just wouldn’t have happened.

All ifs and buts, just my opinion that he had a direct hand in that goal.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:30 pm

I hope Pickford has a really poor run for Everton until the end of the season, however I'm sure some on here want him to play well for his club side.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:30 pm

I wonder if there's some Juventus weirdos watching this and blaming Szczesny for that goal

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:31 pm

Mount has looked good.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:31 pm

Oooops !

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:31 pm

Good finish by Maguire, but a set-piece was the only way England were going to net 2nd half, still I suppose the result is the main thing, but this 2nd half showing in particular should be a huge wake up call ahead of the Euro's.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:31 pm

gsyclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:28 pm
what difference does the price make, if you are crap you are crap

So you are suggesting that the CB’s that start for the top 2 teams in England, Rb that starts for the top team, LB that starts for the 4th top team are all crap?

They are all top top players, are you suggesting that any of the Burnley back four are better than them?

WazzaClaret · Post by **WazzaClaret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:32 pm

Damo wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:30 pm
I wonder if there's some Juventus weirdos watching this and blaming Szczesny for that goal

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:32 pm

Anybody else think the corner swung out of play ?

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:32 pm

Damo wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:30 pm
I wonder if there's some Juventus weirdos watching this and blaming Szczesny for that goal

Logged back in to like that - Cheers damo

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:32 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:29 pm
Potentially, I just think if he passes it to stones feet instead of making him run back towards goal then that goal just wouldn’t have happened.

All ifs and buts, just my opinion that he had a direct hand in that goal.

It was the sort of pass he’d play week in week out to one of our full backs. Difference being, we’d have tonked it up field.

I must admit, I’m not sure without seeing it again, who was around Stones had the pass been played to feet.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:35 pm

Damo wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:30 pm
I wonder if there's some Juventus weirdos watching this and blaming Szczesny for that goal

I doubt it as they are probably to obsessed with what Fabianski is doing to even notice

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:35 pm

Diving going on all over the park for England.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:36 pm

Superb save from BPF in the last minute for Northern Ireland.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:36 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:30 pm
I hope Pickford has a really poor run for Everton until the end of the season, however I'm sure some on here want him to play well for his club side.

I don't care who plays in goal if England win the Euro's, but in all honestly it won't matter who's between the sticks because this English side isn't good enough to overcome the real top quality sides which they'll encounter this summer, but we shouldn't be surprised that's been the case for decades, so why should we expect anything different with the current crop.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:36 pm

Germany losing at home to North Macedonia!

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:37 pm

This play acting is embarrassing

They try and do it so convincingly but completely fail

They may as well go full European/South American and scream whilst doing 500 barrell rolls when "fouled".... At least it's more funny!

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:37 pm

England are a boring outfit to watch and follow. You would have to offer me a 5** hotel, free bar, hospitality tickets and a stretch limo on tap for me to go to any England game, other than Scotland at Hampden

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:38 pm

Maguire MOM for me. Massive goal from a massive performance. Credit also to Southgate who keeps doing the biz without needing to get out of 2nd gear.

gsyclaret · Post by **gsyclaret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:39 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:31 pm
So you are suggesting that the CB’s that start for the top 2 teams in England, Rb that starts for the top team, LB that starts for the 4th top team are all crap?

They are all top top players, are you suggesting that any of the Burnley back four are better than them?

I personally do not think that stones is better than mee or maguire is better than tarky, you might think they are top top players but I don't,each to thier own pal.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:41 pm

gsyclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:39 pm
I personally do not think that stones is better than mee or maguire is better than tarky, you might think they are top top players but I don't,each to thier own pal.

Fair enough, for me neither Mee or Tarks are in the top 7-8 English CBS.

However It would be interesting to see the capability of Tarks and Mee in an attacking team. It’s difficult to judge there true level with our tactics.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:42 pm

gsyclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:39 pm
I personally do not think that stones is better than mee or maguire is better than tarky, you might think they are top top players but I don't,each to thier own pal.

Mee and Tarks have no chance of getting picked not even as 2nd choice centre backs

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:43 pm

claretburns wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:36 pm
Superb save from BPF in the last minute for Northern Ireland.

Saved his side a point there, but yet another disappointing result for NI. Clean sheet for BPF though, so he can be satisfied with his night's work.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:43 pm

Germany have lost at home to...erm...North part of Somewhere.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:44 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:36 pm
Germany losing at home to North Macedonia!

Lost!!

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:45 pm

I honestly couldn't take any positives from that performance it was really poor

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:47 pm

Wright saying Pope should have booted it down field instead of passing to Stones.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:47 pm

Poor performance.

Normal for a Southgate team.

Punished for over playing at the back, struggled to create any chances from open play.

Every Southgate team ever.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:47 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:36 pm
Germany losing at home to North Macedonia!

Finished 2-1 a bit of a coupon buster that one, but I'd still be wary of writing off the Germans in the Euro's, they often come alive in tournaments.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:48 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:38 pm
Maguire MOM for me. Massive goal from a massive performance. Credit also to Southgate who keeps doing the biz without needing to get out of 2nd gear.

Pushing it a bit there, DA

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:48 pm

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:47 pm
Wright saying Pope should have booted it down field instead of passing to Stones.

When Southgate has clearly instructed him to play out from back

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:48 pm

DCWat wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:32 pm
It was the sort of pass he’d play week in week out to one of our full backs. Difference being, we’d have tonked it up field.

I must admit, I’m not sure without seeing it again, who was around Stones had the pass been played to feet.

Edit - the pass should have been to Stones rather than behind!!

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:49 pm

It's not so much about Pope/Pickford or Tarky/Maguire.

It's about the poor tactical set up. The lack of movement off the ball. The lack of chances created from open play. The insistence on a suicidally static pass pass pass approach. The lack of apparent strategy or gameplan.

Southgate isn't good enough.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:50 pm

If Nick was allowed to play his normal game he’d have belted it upfield - this is a Southgate error

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:51 pm

if Pope is allowed to play the game that has made him the best English goalkeeper instead of being a Southgate jerk off then we don't concede that goal. Southgate is a clown that has never done anything to justify him having the job #southgateout

Also, Wright can **** off

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:51 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:48 pm
Pushing it a bit there, DA

Well ive had such good fun tonight watching England and discussing the match on he ive maybe let the excitement go to my head

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:51 pm

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:47 pm
Wright saying Pope should have booted it down field instead of passing to Stones.

the damage w

Yes interesting comment that from Wrighty, and possibly he should just have put his foot through it, but then if he's being instructed to play out from the back you can see why he feels pressured to do just that, arguably it wasn't the best pass in the world, but Stones should still have dealt with it better, and once he turned inside, and then had the heavy touch, the damage was done unfortunately.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:51 pm

I thought Foden looked a bit weak at times, especially as the game went on. I would have hooked him a lot earlier.

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:52 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:38 pm
Maguire MOM for me. Massive goal from a massive performance. Credit also to Southgate who keeps doing the biz without needing to get out of 2nd gear.

Yes absolutely, Southgate great manager.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:53 pm

claretburns wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:36 pm
Superb save from BPF in the last minute for Northern Ireland.

but is he any good with his feet?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:54 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:51 pm
I thought Foden looked a bit weak at times, especially as the game went on. I would have hooked him a lot earlier.

I can't see what he offers TBH.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:54 pm

Not sure how anyone can blame Southgate for popes poor distribution.

Do you think Liverpool, city etc... would change tactics if they signed Pope.
No they would expect the player to adapt.

It’s just an unfortunate event, Pope will either be given a second chance or Southgate will look for players that suit his tactics.