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When names linked have included Keane and Lambert - Howe would be a significant upgrade based on recent managerial level and achievement
Think Palace see Lampard as Hodgson's successor so if Celtic are genuinely interested it would be too big an opportunity for Eddie to ignore
Good luck to him if he gets the job
Think Palace see Lampard as Hodgson's successor so if Celtic are genuinely interested it would be too big an opportunity for Eddie to ignore
Good luck to him if he gets the job
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He spent his way up with Maxim Denims money for which they even fell foul of the FFP.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:33 pmHe took Bournemouth from the bottom of the 4th tier to the Premier League within 10 years and even had time to clear out the mess Laws left at our club and sign a list of young players who would play a massive part in our future success.
With that in mind I reckon he fancies his chances of winning a two horse race and Im sure the Celtic fans will be thankful to get such a proven manager with the pull and finances of the SPL these days
He was awful with us we went from league favourites to bottom half makeweights in one season under Howe. Serious regression Laws was getting better results and we were playing better football under Laws aswell.
Little Eddie will fail at Celtic he’s too soft for the old Firm cauldron anyway.
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Further information relating to that - please see attached.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:25 pmRest assured his departure from Burnley had nothing to do with his wife
https://www.coachesvoice.com/eddie-howe ... urnemouth/
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I've seen a few Celtic fans question Howe's appointment.
He has to be better than Neil Lennon in anyone's eyes.
He has to be better than Neil Lennon in anyone's eyes.
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I know it came about because of his mum’s death. That left the family with a problem which I won’t comment on because it’s not right to, but he believed he needed to be back down there to deal with it.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:39 pmFurther information relating to that - please see attached.
https://www.coachesvoice.com/eddie-howe ... urnemouth/
I don’t know the situation now in terms of the family issue. I can only assume that a resolution of a kind has been found for him to consider moving to Celtic.
It’s no secret that I didn’t like him or his football but I said at the time and my view hasn’t changed that I fully respect him for choosing to return to Bournemouth because of the circumstances.
Why anyone ever thought it was to do with his wife I don’t know but when the reasons aren’t, and shouldn’t, be made public then people will speculate.
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Was it that bad he would have left, had the Bournemouth job not been available though?ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 5:03 pmI know it came about because of his mum’s death. That left the family with a problem which I won’t comment on because it’s not right to, but he believed he needed to be back down there to deal with it.
I don’t know the situation now in terms of the family issue. I can only assume that a resolution of a kind has been found for him to consider moving to Celtic.
It’s no secret that I didn’t like him or his football but I said at the time and my view hasn’t changed that I fully respect him for choosing to return to Bournemouth because of the circumstances.
Why anyone ever thought it was to do with his wife I don’t know but when the reasons aren’t, and shouldn’t, be made public then people will speculate.
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My thoughts exactly... No Bournemouth job... No move.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:17 pmI’d assume not but when it did then it fell in his favour given his circumstances
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You do realise the reason he wanted to leave Burnley and go back to Bournemouth was for family reasons and had it not been for those circumstances he wouldnt have left Burnley when he did
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I think he would still have left for Bournemouth, family problems or not, and he wouldn't have left Burnley had the Bournemouth job not be available, family problems or notDevils_Advocate wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:56 pmYou do realise the reason he wanted to leave Burnley and go back to Bournemouth was for family reasons and had it not been for those circumstances he wouldnt have left Burnley when he did
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Thats up to you and you are free to think that but thats not what anyone said or reported at the time or since so I'll stick to the facts that are known rather than making up my own assumptions.
Like most things nothing can be known for certain and you could be correct but to state people are gullible for choosing to believe the reasons given by both Howe and our directors at the time and since is a bit silly really
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Whatever.. ......Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:07 pmThats up to you and you are free to think that but thats not what anyone said or reported at the time or since so I'll stick to the facts that are known rather than making up my own assumptions.
Like most things nothing can be known for certain and you could be correct but to state people are gullible for choosing to believe the reasons given by both Howe and our directors at the time and since is a bit silly really
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I don’t think he’d have moved but for the family issues but we will never know. What would he have done had the Bournemouth job not come up? Again we don’t know but I think he would have been looking for a move closer to home.
The other thing is that his position was very much under review at Burnley.
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That is honestly my memory of it. When news broke that he was leaving I wasn’t surprised... I was only surprised it was his decision. As I’ve said many times fans forget how utterly out of our depth we looked on the field. I think it was an out worked out between all parties, a face saving out and a new start, as I did at the time.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:24 pmI don’t think he’d have moved but for the family issues but we will never know. What would he have done had the Bournemouth job not come up? Again we don’t know but I think he would have been looking for a move closer to home.
The other thing is that his position was very much under review at Burnley.
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Very much under review. I had a conversation with two, then directors of the club shortly after he left. Their opinion is that he would have moved to Bournemouth no matter what, and certainly his tenure at Burnley was under threat at that time.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:24 pmI don’t think he’d have moved but for the family issues but we will never know. What would he have done had the Bournemouth job not come up? Again we don’t know but I think he would have been looking for a move closer to home.
The other thing is that his position was very much under review at Burnley.
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His position was under threat and Garlick once told me that Howe never wanted to be at Burnley. He wasn't the most honest of people to be fair but he didn't tell me about the family situation. I honestly don't know what he would have done had he not got a move back to the south.
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His position was under threat and Garlick once told me that Howe never wanted to be at Burnley. He wasn't the most honest of people to be fair but he didn't tell me about the family situation. I honestly don't know what he would have done had he not got a move back to the south.
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" Howe never wanted to be at Burnley " ?ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:36 pmHis position was under threat and Garlick once told me that Howe never wanted to be at Burnley. He wasn't the most honest of people to be fair but he didn't tell me about the family situation. I honestly don't know what he would have done had he not got a move back to the south.
So why was he here ?
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Well "never" is obviously rubbish or he would never have applied for or accepted the job.
How about he got here and then realised he was the wrong man for the job?
How about he got here and then realised he was the wrong man for the job?
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I got the impression that he suffered from being a "soft southerner" and never really settled.
Having said that he did a decent enough job whilst with us; brought in some fine players.
Certainly left us in a better place than when he arrived.
Having said that he did a decent enough job whilst with us; brought in some fine players.
Certainly left us in a better place than when he arrived.
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If you remember at the time he got a lot of criticism for getting rid of the older players and bringing in youth with people saying he was too weak a character to manage the older pro's as he was so young and soft.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 10:49 pmI got the impression that he suffered from being a "soft southerner" and never really settled.
Having said that he did a decent enough job whilst with us; brought in some fine players.
Certainly left us in a better place than when he arrived.
In retrospect it is viewed that we had a lot of older players on big contracts we couldnt afford and quite a bad dressing room in terms of disruptive players.
Howe's job was to clear it all out and try to rebuild and whilst on the pitch it just wasnt clicking (and didnt look like it ever would) his rebuilding job was superb.
Maybe the the missing part in getting it right on the pitch was linked to his personal problems and with that in mind the opportunity to go back to Bournemouth and its timing really did suit all parties and us, Bournemouth, Dyche and Howe have all benefitted massively
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That all looks plausible to me.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 10:57 pmIf you remember at the time he got a lot of criticism for getting rid of the older players and bringing in youth with people saying he was too weak a character to manage the older pro's as he was so young and soft.
In retrospect it is viewed that we had a lot of older players on big contracts we couldnt afford and quite a bad dressing room in terms of disruptive players.
Howe's job was to clear it all out and try to rebuild and whilst on the pitch it just wasnt clicking (and didnt look like it ever would) his rebuilding job was superb.
Maybe the the missing part in getting it right on the pitch was linked to his personal problems and with that in mind the opportunity to go back to Bournemouth and its timing really did suit all parties and us, Bournemouth, Dyche and Howe have all benefitted massively
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I remember being in the hospitality lounge at Bournemouth
watching Burnley draw with them in a Championship game.
It was an exciting game with AFC hoofing ball after ball at Ben Mee, believing him to be our weak link.
Mee played well. It made me consider Howes legacy of a set of really good players : Austin , Mee, Tripps, Shacks, even Stanislas and the marvellous Ings oh and Vokes as well. Yes there were less able players, but you know some really good players came to BFC during his stewardship.
watching Burnley draw with them in a Championship game.
It was an exciting game with AFC hoofing ball after ball at Ben Mee, believing him to be our weak link.
Mee played well. It made me consider Howes legacy of a set of really good players : Austin , Mee, Tripps, Shacks, even Stanislas and the marvellous Ings oh and Vokes as well. Yes there were less able players, but you know some really good players came to BFC during his stewardship.
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He must have done at some point to move in the first place, but most people realise & understand why he had to leave when he did, at the end of day family comes first & ultimately it did in this case, had everything been ok on the domestic front no other reasons at that particular time would have existed unlike some other managers who have engineered departures & left animosity.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:36 pmHis position was under threat and Garlick once told me that Howe never wanted to be at Burnley. He wasn't the most honest of people to be fair but he didn't tell me about the family situation. I honestly don't know what he would have done had he not got a move back to the south.
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There were two reasons he left.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:39 amHe must have done at some point to move in the first place, but most people realise & understand why he had to leave when he did, at the end of day family comes first & ultimately it did in this case, had everything been ok on the domestic front no other reasons at that particular time would have existed unlike some other managers who have engineered departures & left animosity.
1. Family.
2. To take the Bournemouth job.
As CT says, we don't know how much weight was placed on each reason, or whether if only one of the reasons had existed it would have been enough to make him leave. But if everything had been OK domestically, the Bournemouth job would still have been a reason why he might have left.
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Yes that’s true I’m not disputing why he left, the only thing I did question is the assertion that he never wanted to be at Burnley, something enticed him up the M65 however brief the BFC managerial vacancy appealed to him until events turned a different way, he didn’t initially accept the job with a premonition that he was leaving circumstances forced the way of thinking leading to the departure decision.dsr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:01 amThere were two reasons he left.
1. Family.
2. To take the Bournemouth job.
As CT says, we don't know how much weight was placed on each reason, or whether if only one of the reasons had existed it would have been enough to make him leave. But if everything had been OK domestically, the Bournemouth job would still have been a reason why he might have left.
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Except we were in a worse place than when he arrived. He was pretty hopeless for us and one of his mates pretty much destroyed our youth set up.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 10:49 pmI got the impression that he suffered from being a "soft southerner" and never really settled.
Having said that he did a decent enough job whilst with us; brought in some fine players.
Certainly left us in a better place than when he arrived.
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I don't understand the weird hate of Howe on here,
He got rid of the deadwood and put parts in place to form a successful team down the line, he signed club legends for us, Mee Trippier Ings Austin Shackell Vokes.
The football/results wasn't great, he was missing a few pieces that Dyche figured out. he left for home because his mother died, the deal worked out to suit both parties in the end.
He got rid of the deadwood and put parts in place to form a successful team down the line, he signed club legends for us, Mee Trippier Ings Austin Shackell Vokes.
The football/results wasn't great, he was missing a few pieces that Dyche figured out. he left for home because his mother died, the deal worked out to suit both parties in the end.
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There’s no hate but disagreement with his so called achievements with us and how vastly overrated he is.
Some people seem to have a fascination that Howe done a good job for us.. he didn’t. He lost as many games as he won and took us from a promotion challenging side to bottom half makeweights with no direction.
Put it this way I was delighted when he left the club.
Some people seem to have a fascination that Howe done a good job for us.. he didn’t. He lost as many games as he won and took us from a promotion challenging side to bottom half makeweights with no direction.
Put it this way I was delighted when he left the club.
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Promotion challengers? One of the leagues favorites? I don't think so.
I think Howe did a good job on reflection, he put in place the foundations for Dyche to take on. I think Dyche with hindsight was fortunate he took over after Howe and not before because we had some incredible players because of Howe for Dyche to utilize. Things take time, results clearly weren't the be all under Howe, it was a rebuild job.
I think Howe did a good job on reflection, he put in place the foundations for Dyche to take on. I think Dyche with hindsight was fortunate he took over after Howe and not before because we had some incredible players because of Howe for Dyche to utilize. Things take time, results clearly weren't the be all under Howe, it was a rebuild job.
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Yea we were one of the favourites for automatic promotion. Laws got the sack because we fell out the play off places and the supporters were grumbling. Howe came in and made us worse, we finished lower than when he came in for that season and bottom half the season after. Facts you cannot dispute. He failed with us and we were ridiculously soft. So no he didn’t do a good job and is overhyped.KRBFC wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:42 amPromotion challengers? One of the leagues favorites? I don't think so.
I think Howe did a good job on reflection, he put in place the foundations for Dyche to take on. I think Dyche with hindsight was fortunate he took over after Howe and not before because we had some incredible players because of Howe for Dyche to utilize. Things take time, results clearly weren't the be all under Howe, it was a rebuild job.
It will be hilarious watching the car crash unfold at Celtic anyway. Their fans are brutal. First defeat and the knives will be out.
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We were one of the favorites for automatic promotion when Howe came in? we were what? 9th in the league? we were never getting promoted that season with Iwelumo upfront.Right_winger wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:09 amYea we were one of the favourites for automatic promotion. Laws got the sack because we fell out the play off places and the supporters were grumbling. Howe came in and made us worse, we finished lower than when he came in for that season and bottom half the season after. Facts you cannot dispute. He failed with us and we were ridiculously soft. So no he didn’t do a good job and is overhyped.
It will be hilarious watching the car crash unfold at Celtic anyway. Their fans are brutal. First defeat and the knives will be out.
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Perfect summary tbh.KRBFC wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:17 amI don't understand the weird hate of Howe on here,
He got rid of the deadwood and put parts in place to form a successful team down the line, he signed club legends for us, Mee Trippier Ings Austin Shackell Vokes.
The football/results wasn't great, he was missing a few pieces that Dyche figured out. he left for home because his mother died, the deal worked out to suit both parties in the end.
Some people just can't let it go with Howe.
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We would have got shot. We were going backwards and he really didn't get the culture.
Glasgow culture will frighten him to death!
Glasgow culture will frighten him to death!
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This exactly. I hope he does try the same tactics as he did with us and clears out everyone to surround himself with yes men, because it will Cripple Celtic.
The hoops fans won’t tolerate anything other than winning. Howe won’t have the luxury of time, he has to win something the first season and be in with a shout for the title or he’s getting hounded out. He’s way too soft for the Glasgow bear pit.
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What makes you think he's soft?Right_winger wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:32 pmThis exactly. I hope he does try the same tactics as he did with us an. He’s way too soft for the Glasgow bear pit.
Is it because he comes from Bournemouth?
Do you have anything to substantiate your assertion?
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Quite a lot really.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:37 pmWhat makes you think he's soft?
Is it because he comes from Bournemouth?
Do you have anything to substantiate your assertion?
The way he carries himself and spoke. He was meek and softly
Spoken never assertive.
The fact he cleared out big characters, the fact that he surrounded himself with yes men.
He was looking for a way out and in sad circumstances he got one.
The way the team played in the pitch was a portrayal of the manager, soft tippy rally nothingness.
Howe was one of our worst managers in the past 20 odd years especially with the resources at his disposal.
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Completely ignoring the fact that a russian billionaire took over Bournemouth and gave Eddie a treasure chest of money for transfer that was poorly spent by him with the likes of £19 million on Solanke, £25 million on Lerna, £13 million on Stacey and £15 million on Jordan Ibe.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:33 pmHe took Bournemouth from the bottom of the 4th tier to the Premier League within 10 years and even had time to clear out the mess Laws left at our club and sign a list of young players who would play a massive part in our future success.
With that in mind I reckon he fancies his chances of winning a two horse race and Im sure the Celtic fans will be thankful to get such a proven manager with the pull and finances of the SPL these days
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Would that be the big characters that had a massive tantrum and downed tools when Coyle left?Right_winger wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:19 pmQuite a lot really.
The way he carries himself and spoke. He was meek and softly
Spoken never assertive.
The fact he cleared out big characters, the fact that he surrounded himself with yes men.
He was looking for a way out and in sad circumstances he got one.
The way the team played in the pitch was a portrayal of the manager, soft tippy rally nothingness.
Howe was one of our worst managers in the past 20 odd years especially with the resources at his disposal.
Yeah they needed to get fired out of the door, Laws wasn't strong enough, but Howe didn't muck about.
He also laid the foundations for where we are today, so your claim he's one of the worst etc is clearly something else that needs firing out of the door.
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Eddie made some cracking signings but would have not got us out of the championship in a month of Sundays.
He was clueless with the defence, we were scoring 3 and letting 4 in it was embarrassing. It was even more embarrassing when he left and Sean showed him how it should be done.
I honestly believe that if he had not have left he would have got the sack that same season, the football was awful and defensively we were woeful
He was clueless with the defence, we were scoring 3 and letting 4 in it was embarrassing. It was even more embarrassing when he left and Sean showed him how it should be done.
I honestly believe that if he had not have left he would have got the sack that same season, the football was awful and defensively we were woeful
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He played a big part in moving the club forward by creating a pretty good squad for his successor, which with the addition of Tom Heaton and David Jones got us up. I too really can’t understand the animosity towards him.
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Celtic's prospective new manager Eddie Howe is a "deep thinker" who believes "performance always outweighs the result", says former Bournemouth skipper Tommy Elphick. Well that will go down a treat in Glasgow when he tries playing Man City style possession football whilst getting humped 7-6 by Hamilton Academical, Ross County and St Johnstone.....
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Bizzare notion that bring softly spoken makes you soft.
Or, even, that being soft makes you a bad manager.
You need a balance. He looked smart and spoke well, not often a virtue in E Lancs.
Or, even, that being soft makes you a bad manager.
You need a balance. He looked smart and spoke well, not often a virtue in E Lancs.
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An excellent manager and Celtic will consider themselves very fortunate if they manage to appoint someone of his calibre.
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Not sure being softly spoken is a weakness, one of the greatest if not the greatest managers ever Bob Paisley once said.Right_winger wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:19 pmQuite a lot really.
The way he carries himself and spoke. He was meek and softly
Spoken never assertive.
The fact he cleared out big characters, the fact that he surrounded himself with yes men.
He was looking for a way out and in sad circumstances he got one.
The way the team played in the pitch was a portrayal of the manager, soft tippy rally nothingness.
Howe was one of our worst managers in the past 20 odd years especially with the resources at his disposal.
Getting your point across
“Ranting and raving gets you nowhere in football. If you want to be heard, speak quietly.”
Taken from this article and a very sarcastic but brilliant comment about Burnley as well.
https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-re ... his-birth/
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Have a look at how he spent the money to get them into the Premier League and I'll think you'll find he made some great signings and remember the Bournemouth wage bill to get them into the Premier League was very similar to the wage bill Dyche had to win us the Championship.Foshiznik wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:07 amCompletely ignoring the fact that a russian billionaire took over Bournemouth and gave Eddie a treasure chest of money for transfer that was poorly spent by him with the likes of £19 million on Solanke, £25 million on Lerna, £13 million on Stacey and £15 million on Jordan Ibe.
In his first few seasons in the Premier League they used to play regularly with 3 or 4 players signed in League 1 who Howe coached and brought through to the Premier League
I think it is you that is ignoring certain facts because it doesn't fit your own opinion of Eddie Howe
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Re: Eddie Howe
He had a reasonable amount to spend at Bournemouth but no more. On that he got two promotions and had five seasons in the Premier League. Plenty have had more and achieved less.
Re: Eddie Howe
Some fans seem to have a clouded memory of his time here. His position was under review and there was a lot of discontent from fans. The football was lousy and we had gone backwards. I found the football difficult to watch we were so disorganised at the back. He could definitely spot a player though. He’d be a great scout one day I’m sure.Right_winger wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:25 amThere’s no hate but disagreement with his so called achievements with us and how vastly overrated he is.
Some people seem to have a fascination that Howe done a good job for us.. he didn’t. He lost as many games as he won and took us from a promotion challenging side to bottom half makeweights with no direction.
Put it this way I was delighted when he left the club.