We now know that shirt pulling in the box is allowed

CaptJohn · Post by **CaptJohn** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:21 pm

I'm not sure when the rule change was made but pulling the shirt of a forward when he is about to score is now allowed to prevent him from scoring. WTF is VAR for if not for blatant fouls like that. It was either a penalty or a red card for the defender for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. OK I think we got what we deserved from the match (Sweet FA) but that was a clear penalty.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:22 pm

Definite pen

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:24 pm

We aren't allowed 2 penalties in the same game....that's another Premier League rule.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:34 pm

Someone on the ratings thread said it was "a slight pull" of the shirt

I was actually surprised the shirt remained on Wood's back tbh

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:35 pm

Sean Dyche should announce that shirt pulling will be part of the training sessions at levels at Burnley Football Club

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:45 pm

Easiest of decisions. Clear pen and a red card.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:49 pm

It’s crazy that incidents like that are totally ignore by VAR. Whether it prevented Wood from scoring or not it was a no-brainer of a penalty.

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:51 pm

Ref didn't see it, Neither linesmen didn't see it, VAR didn't see it. Perhaps it didn't happen and we are all seeing things !

Goodclaret · Post by **Goodclaret** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:02 pm

Again, can you imagine the uproar if that had cost a "big team" a point? It's just such a blatant error it's embarrassing for the ref's/VAR once again but "because it's only Burnley" it will be barely mentioned.

Woonderbah · Post by **Woonderbah** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:09 pm

I think if Wood misses the ball then VAR would have to give a penalty.
I was dumbfounded it wasn't given by the officials in the first place.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:14 pm

Super Jonny on the var had nipped off to the loo and missed it

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:19 pm

If Souness said it was a clear penalty who am I to disagree.

Woonderbah · Post by **Woonderbah** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:28 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:19 pm
If Souness said it was a clear penalty who am I to disagree.

Anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul and a card.
The only decision the referee had to make in this case was what colour card.
It was a penalty.

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:31 pm

It's a close call..

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Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:33 pm

So just why was it not reviewed???

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:37 pm

Vintage Claret wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:31 pm
It's a close call..
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Wow

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:55 pm

Ridiculous not to give that

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:01 pm

SD has got to get his team to get in the refs face more when these things happen. Wood should have been chasing the ref and bellowing to him about it. Its cost us a point.Other teams are efficient at it

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:05 pm

Disgraceful bordering on corrupt, were the idiots reviewing the game watching a bluey ?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:22 pm

Aclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:51 pm
Ref didn't see it, Neither linesmen didn't see it, VAR didn't see it. Perhaps it didn't happen and we are all seeing things !

Normality resumed then!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:25 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:01 pm
SD has got to get his team to get in the refs face more when these things happen. Wood should have been chasing the ref and bellowing to him about it. Its cost us a point.Other teams are efficient at it

We are very poor at getting these decisions. Pieters did the right thing in the first half, whether he was hurt or not, by staying on the ground knowing that if the incident is reviewed it will be given. Wood could have forced the referee to communicate with the VAR and they would have had no option but to award the penalty.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:26 pm

Clearest pen of the day. I was surprised that the Ben Mee handball in first half didn’t get more attention. I thought it was arm to ball rather than other way round.

addisclaret · Post by **addisclaret** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:28 pm

Vintage Claret wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:31 pm
It's a close call..
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I feel bad now for shouting at Wood for missing that. No doubt would have buried it if he hadn't had to stop to put his shirt back on.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:29 pm

“VAR is used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity.”

Taken directly from the Premier League website. What the hell is happening if this wasn’t reviewed!?

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:27 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:26 pm
Clearest pen of the day. I was surprised that the Ben Mee handball in first half didn’t get more attention. I thought it was arm to ball rather than other way round.

Totally agree. Nailed on penalty for us and probably like you I was amazed when no more was made of the shot that Ben Mee blocked early in the game.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:28 pm

DCWat wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:29 pm
“VAR is used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity.”

Taken directly from the Premier League website. What the hell is happening if this wasn’t reviewed!?

Prevented a goal, penalty and red card incident. So only 3 out of 4!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:30 pm

Surprisingly not mentioned by Dyche after the game

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:44 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:30 pm
Surprisingly not mentioned by Dyche after the game

I suspect he didn’t see it, real time.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:01 pm

Aclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:24 pm
We aren't allowed 2 penalties in the same game....that's another Premier League rule.

In the same game? Surely, you mean in the same SEASON, and we've breached that rule already!

Jon Moss on VAR. What do you expect?

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:04 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:30 pm
Surprisingly not mentioned by Dyche after the game

“If that is in the middle of the pitch it is given.
Our record for penalties is the worst in the Premier League
They tried not to give us the first one and then we should have had another”

ClaretMat · Post by **ClaretMat** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:11 pm

Could have been given but I dont think it really impeded Wood. He got good contact on the ball and should still have scored despite Souhamptons fortune with the save from Forster.
If it was given they could have had no real complaints but maybe we have had a couple of handball shouts which could maybe have been given and would have been similarly soft.

RMutt · Post by **RMutt** » Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:39 pm

ClaretMat wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:11 pm
Could have been given but I dont think it really impeded Wood. He got good contact on the ball and should still have scored despite Souhamptons fortune with the save from Forster.
If it was given they could have had no real complaints but maybe we have had a couple of handball shouts which could maybe have been given and would have been similarly soft.

I’d say should, pulling a shirt is either an offence or it’s not. That split second could easily and probably did impact on Wood’s approach to the ball.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:55 pm

Dermot Gallagher just said it was a penalty on Sky.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:22 pm

Yet ANOTHER example of why I wrote the answers I did in the VAR survey.

To be fair, Dyche not going to town about it hasn’t helped, even if it had changed nothing. These blatant errors even from the match day officials are poor, but when someone is in a studio reviewing it, to get it so very wrong is an absolute disgrace.

I really would prefer to go back to having genuine mistakes every week from the ref and assistants. Getting it this wrong with the tech available is just corrupt.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:27 pm

bobinho wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:22 pm
Yet ANOTHER example of why I wrote the answers I did in the VAR survey.

To be fair, Dyche not going to town about it hasn’t helped, even if it had changed nothing. These blatant errors even from the match day officials are poor, but when someone is in a studio reviewing it, to get it so very wrong is an absolute disgrace.

I really would prefer to go back to having genuine mistakes every week from the ref and assistants. Getting it this wrong with the tech available is just corrupt.

You really do have to wonder how on earth that wasn’t picked up by VAR. Unbelievably last night on SSN they reported that Wood missed a good chance to get a point but fluffed it. They made no reference to the shirt pull.

MOTD however couldn’t believe it wasn’t given and neither could Gallagher.

It wasn’t anything but an easy decision for Moss.

BenWickes · Post by **BenWickes** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:51 pm

I'm all for swapping shirts but at least wait 'til the final whistle.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:58 pm

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:55 pm
Dermot Gallagher just said it was a penalty on Sky.

Bloody hell

That’s a first him going against the officials decision

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:03 pm

I was in Devon yesterday so I missed the game and the shenanigans on here but that incident stinks of ineptitude and/or corruption.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:21 pm

Robbery, blatant red card too.

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:41 pm

I think if Wood had done what undoubtedly somebody like Lacazette would do, i.e. Go down in a heap, then a penalty would have been given. Not that I would want Wood to do that but it does get results.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:20 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:27 pm
You really do have to wonder how on earth that wasn’t picked up by VAR. Unbelievably last night on SSN they reported that Wood missed a good chance to get a point but fluffed it. They made no reference to the shirt pull.

MOTD however couldn’t believe it wasn’t given and neither could Gallagher.

It wasn’t anything but an easy decision for Moss.

I haven't heard or read from anyone who didn't think that it was a stonewall penalty (and would have been a red card). To be fair to Wood, it probably happens most times when he's challanging for the ball in the penalty area and, therefore, he didn't give it a thought to appeal.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:40 pm

These are the occasions when you want a statement from VAR to explain to us what their process was

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:26 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:27 pm
You really do have to wonder how on earth that wasn’t picked up by VAR. Unbelievably last night on SSN they reported that Wood missed a good chance to get a point but fluffed it. They made no reference to the shirt pull.

MOTD however couldn’t believe it wasn’t given and neither could Gallagher.

It wasn’t anything but an easy decision for Moss.

Moss has done us before. Hes a very poor referee but VAR it really poor too at times. Like this incident. We don't get much from match officials not even justice.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:57 pm

Quiz time ....

Penalty or no penalty.....

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Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:07 pm

Im gonna go penalty for pic 1 and no penalty for pic 2. Also I hope you cleared starting a quiz with tiger76 as I dont want there to be no trouble

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:17 am

They expect a reaction and Wood didn't probably because he knew it was his own fault he fluffed it rather than the shirt pull. Either that or he needs to learn from Barnes a bit and make it known to ref.

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:04 am

Bednarek’s body shape is natural and he is looking the other way so it is clearly an accidental or unintentional shirt pull.....

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:20 am

Remember the good old days when refs were able to claim they missed things like these because they couldn’t see it.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:15 am

That bloke behind Wood has a massive head and tiny feet.

RMutt · Post by **RMutt** » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:36 am

duncandisorderly wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:15 am
That bloke behind Wood has a massive head and tiny feet.

Haha, I think he needs his telly looking at.