Summer 2021 Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[NewClaret]

How much do you think we have he got in the bank?

Well we had £80m this time last year. Anyone’s guess now, I’d say. Probably half as much but still plenty enough to buy without having to sell.

[taio]

Well we had £80m this time last year. Anyone’s guess now, I’d say. Probably half as much but still plenty enough to buy without having to sell.

We don’t have anything like that in the bank because of how the takeover was structured

[NewClaret]

Worrall again? Dyche really lacks an imagination when it comes to transfers.

I find it hard to believe if Worrall was our main target we’d have failed to sign him last summer or January.

I think it might be Nixon that lacks imagination when linking us to players, but we’ll see.

[NewClaret]

We don’t have anything like that in the bank because of how the takeover was structured

How do you know that?

[MACCA]

Are you forgetting about the money in the bank?

That life long Burnley fan with only the clubs best interests at heart made sure that all went.

Dont tell me you didnt see the bank building for the last couple of years?

The plan was so obvious to most people with half an idea about hiw to go about selling a business for its maximum, whilst pocketing huge sums in the process.

Duck Chive played a blinder, lots got sucked in and believed every word that came from his mouth, whilst he was laughing at them.
He boarded the gravy train as it pulled into the station for a refuel and got off with a very full belly, or pockets in this case

Absolute Charlatan

[leightonjameslegend]

Twitter now:
Leicester back in for Tarks, cash plus Hamza Choudhury

[taio]

How do you know that?

I thought it was well known that what we had in the bank before the takeover bears no resemblance to the current cash position. Why on earth would the new owners borrow heavily paying interest alone of circa £7m per year if there was such substantial sums of cash available?

[Newcastleclaret93]

That life long Burnley fan with only the clubs best interests at heart made sure that all went.

Dont tell me you didnt see the bank building for the last couple of years?

The plan was so obvious to most people with half an idea about hiw to go about selling a business for its maximum, whilst pocketing huge sums in the process.

Duck Chive played a blinder, lots got sucked in and believed every word that came from his mouth, whilst he was laughing at them.
He boarded the gravy train as it pulled into the station for a refuel and got off with a very full belly, or pockets in this case

Absolute Charlatan

Not got anything to say about the new owners? They are the ones that gave Garlick the clubs money. He didn’t take it out.

The new owners don’t have a pot a to **** in, the only way they could purchase a football club was by such a leveraged deal.

Only thing you could say is why did Garlick sell the club to this new lot. Can’t really blame him though after the abuse he got.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Tarky to Leicester - full steam ahead?!

[NewClaret]

Not got anything to say about the new owners? They are the ones that gave Garlick the clubs money. He didn’t take it out.

Not the right thread for this discussion, but absolutely disagree on this statement. There is only one person in the world that could sanction the transaction structure & that was Garlick. He may have had it proposed to him, for sure, but he had to agree to it.

[taio]

Not the right thread for this discussion, but absolutely disagree on this statement. There is only one person in the world that could sanction the transaction structure & that was Garlick. He may have had it proposed to him, for sure, but he had to agree to it.

You think we still have tens of millions in the bank. I hope you’re right.

[NewClaret]

I thought it was well known that what we had in the bank before the takeover bears no resemblance to the current cash position. Why on earth would the new owners borrow heavily paying interest alone of circa £7m per year if there was such substantial sums of cash available?

Nobody knows. It’s all speculation. All we know is we had £80m pre-takeover. I agreed it is likely a lot less now, but ALK’s specific statement on the matter was: “ Burnley Football Club's cash reserves remain in a healthy position following the takeover and compare favourably to other Premier League clubs.”

[claretgoss]

Nat Phillips apparently being considered too. Was thinking recently he'd suit us well

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ssion=true

[taio]

Nobody knows. It’s all speculation. All we know is we had £80m pre-takeover. I agreed it is likely a lot less now, but ALK’s specific statement on the matter was: “ Burnley Football Club's cash reserves remain in a healthy position following the takeover and compare favourably to other Premier League clubs.”

It’s simply incorrect to suggest we have £40m cash in the bank and the new owners haven’t borrowed heavily against the club.

[NewClaret]

It’s simply incorrect to suggest we have £40m cash in the bank and the new owners haven’t borrowed heavily against the club.

Where did they said they hadn’t borrowed??

My exact comment was:
“Anyone’s guess now, I’d say. Probably half as much but still plenty enough to buy without having to sell.”

Clearly an opinion - could be more or less.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Not got anything to say about the new owners? They are the ones that gave Garlick the clubs money. He didn’t take it out.

The new owners don’t have a pot a to **** in, the only way they could purchase a football club was by such a leveraged deal.

Only thing you could say is why did Garlick sell the club to this new lot. Can’t really blame him though after the abuse he got.

Abuse? Stop making things up.

[NewClaret]

Nat Phillips apparently being considered too. Was thinking recently he'd suit us well

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ssion=true

Would be a great signing but I think he’s only one if Tarky goes. Can’t see him coming here to play second fiddle, or Liverpool wanting to sell actually. They’re notoriously good at selling and we’re notoriously tight

[taio]

Where did they said they hadn’t borrowed??

My exact comment was:
“Anyone’s guess now, I’d say. Probably half as much but still plenty enough to buy without having to sell.”

Clearly an opinion - could be more or less.

Fair point. But can you think of any logical explanation for borrowing tens of millions if there was still tens of millions in the bank?

[claretgoss]

Would be a great signing but I think he’s only one if Tarky goes. Can’t see him coming here to play second fiddle, or Liverpool wanting to sell actually. They’re notoriously good at selling and we’re notoriously tight

Yeah I don't imagine they'd let him go on the cheap, but with Van Dijk, Gomez, Konate and Matip most likely all ahead of him, and him being 24 now, I could see him moving on

[Newcastleclaret93]

Abuse? Stop making things up.

Garlicks family had to leave social media because of the abuse he was getting every game week.
Pretty well known across this fan base.

[s6t9a2f3f]

Would anyone take Andros Townsend ? 29 years old - think can play either wing - seems to put a shift in. Whilst palace are messing around installing a manager we could steal in as he's a free agent come Tuesday.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

We'd have to raise our upper wages, as he's already on £60k ish apparently, we'd need to know what he's agreed with Palace in the event a new manager wants him.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Garlicks family had to leave social media because of the abuse he was getting every game week.
Pretty well known across this fan base.

If you say so.

[Newcastleclaret93]

If you say so.

I am not saying it, they did when they deleted there accounts.

[jojomk1]

Duck Chive played a blinder, lots got sucked in and believed every word that came from his mouth, whilst he was laughing at them.
He boarded the gravy train as it pulled into the station for a refuel and got off with a very full belly, or pockets in this case

Absolute Charlatan

Last season's accounts, including some 3 months of Covid restrictions, showed us breaking even

This season's accounts will likely be a lot worse

Maybe that was one of the reasons money was being held back ?

[jojomk1]

I find it hard to believe if Worrall was our main target we’d have failed to sign him last summer or January.

I think it might be Nixon that lacks imagination when linking us to players, but we’ll see.

Joe Worrall - the new Henri Lansbury

More likely to sign Andrew Driver

[Vegas Claret]

Would anyone take Andros Townsend ? 29 years old - think can play either wing - seems to put a shift in. Whilst palace are messing around installing a manager we could steal in as he's a free agent come Tuesday.

he's already had an offer from a Champions League club in Europe apparently

[kentonclaret]

More likely to sign Worrall Thompson

[kentonclaret]

Garlicks family had to leave social media because of the abuse he was getting every game week.
Pretty well known across this fan base.

No doubt the abuse got stronger every passing transfer window with no money being spent?

[superdimitri]

That’s either other clubs significantly undervaluing our players or Stoke significantly overvaluing theirs!

I agree it’s a model we have used successfully in the past and will do moving forward. It’s high risk too though, since you are selling a proven player to buy unproven ones. Get it wrong and you’re down, when the vultures will circle for all your best players on the cheap.

My point is that, with our squad so depleted, this summer is not the one to start contemplating that approach. We need to build the squad back up to a point we are able to do that.

Another point is that Dwights value is unlikely to reduce at 21. If we put some other decent players around him this summer it might bring the best out of him & increase his value.

I agree about not being able to be a selling club yet. We're to low on numbers and need to do what we can to build some good squad depth again. It's frustrating because we've taken a backward step but it is what it is.
When we were discussing transfers a few pages back I argued that we probably don't have the money to bring in the quality we need in each position so we'll have to make a few uninspiring signings to bolster the team before we can even think about getting in some real quality. I hope I'm wrong and these leaks (if true) are at least a positive sign.

About the valuation of players. My point is to be a selling club and also make enough money to survive in the premier league we need to be selling players to teams that will pay top dollar, not teams like West Ham who tried to sign Tarkowski for 30m. We need to be selling him to a bigger club which means we also need to raise the profile of our own players by finishing higher.

It's catch 22 but I don't think you can really be a selling club if you're only selling players for small fees, just because that doesn't give you enough money anymore to successfully replace those players without taking too much of a step back.

I think we've done well keeping hold of players generally but we need to get a bit better at offloading them at the right time and getting them to sign multi year contracts before we sell. At least now there's a few more teams spending stupid money but we need those teams interested in our players.

[s6t9a2f3f]

Nat Phillips apparently being considered too. Was thinking recently he'd suit us well

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ssion=true

This has the Harry Wilson look all over it, surely we are not gullible to give this a realistic run over summer ??

[DCWat]

More likely to sign Worrall Thompson

Might improve the pies at least!!

[bobinho]

Walked away skint no doubt....

Anyway, back to topic, I have long since given up trying to second guess our “recruitment team”... (I’ve put it in inverted commas for a reason) I’d be very surprised if we spent £25m in the summer, very surprised indeed, and that INCLUDES taking any money from player sales into account.

[ClaretMov]

Nat Phillips apparently being considered too. Was thinking recently he'd suit us well

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ssion=true

Not a chance, he played 20 plus games last season so Liverpool will want 380 million and a 96% Sell on fee

[NewClaret]

Not a chance, he played 20 plus games last season so Liverpool will want 380 million and a 96% Sell on fee

Exactly. If they wanted £16m for Wilson Phillips will be £45m!!

[dermotdermot]

Double exactly. They took £20m off Bournemouth for Jordan Ibe and I don't think that he would even make our first eleven.

[NewClaret]

They took £20m off Bournemouth for Jordan Ibe

I’d forgotten about that.

[bodge]

£16m for Wilson Phillips - hold on !

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Double exactly. They took £20m off Bournemouth for Jordan Ibe and I don't think that he would even make our first eleven.

£16 million for Ibe and he ended up leaving Bournemouth for free and signing for Derby.

He's currently having some issues though so isn't able to contribute much

[KRBFC]

£16 million for Ibe and he ended up leaving Bournemouth for free and signing for Derby.

He's currently having some issues though so isn't able to contribute much

Mental health is real

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Mental health is real

Yes which is why I haven't said anything derogatory lately and stated he's having issues.
I read about him a little while ago.

[KRBFC]

Yes which is why I haven't said anything derogatory lately and stated he's having issues.
I read about him a little while ago.

Im glad we put a smile back on Aaron Lennon's face

[MACCA]

Not got anything to say about the new owners? They are the ones that gave Garlick the clubs money. He didn’t take it out.

The new owners don’t have a pot a to **** in, the only way they could purchase a football club was by such a leveraged deal.

Only thing you could say is why did Garlick sell the club to this new lot. Can’t really blame him though after the abuse he got.

I'll give them 18 months before I form an opinion.
I saw what the Charlatan was upto a few years back, voiced my opinions, they weren't pretty,got shot down, but I voiced it and just do happened called it right.
I knew what he was up too, MG knew what he was up too, SD knew what he was up too, sadly not everyone saw it.

If MG had been an Egyptian or some foreign owner he would have come under far more scrutiny, however he managed to hide behind the "I'm a Burnley fan" label and it gave him time/credibility by some before he fled.

[NewClaret]

Fair point. But can you think of any logical explanation for borrowing tens of millions if there was still tens of millions in the bank?

Hopefully because he himself realised that any business needs working capital, particularly during the uncertainty of covid and following a period of underinvestment. I’d also have hoped that Mike Garlick wouldn’t have been willing to take all the clubs cash reserves (albeit I’d have hoped he’d take none, actually).

I’d rather we have no debt but for a variety of reasons I think it’s significance is overstated.

In any event, and however they fund purchases this year, they will have to find a way to do it that doesn’t annoy Dyche or their business plan will be in tatters.

[DCWat]

I'll give them 18 months before I form an opinion.
I saw what the Charlatan was upto a few years back, voiced my opinions, they weren't pretty,got shot down, but I voiced it and just do happened called it right.
I knew what he was up too, MG knew what he was up too, SD knew what he was up too, sadly not everyone saw it.

If MG had been an Egyptian or some foreign owner he would have come under far more scrutiny, however he managed to hide behind the "I'm a Burnley fan" label and it gave him time/credibility by some before he fled.

To, to, to!

[WalkdenClaret]

Exclusive...

Following the recent pronouncements from the chairman, I am confident about these 3 major transactions:
1. Bovril AND Massey's Brewery to become first ever advertisers, citing the commercial opportunities of the big TV. Mr Bovril quoted as saying "I'm so excited about the big TV, Thanks to Mr Pace, it really needed an American marketing guru to reinvent pitchside advertising , only 140 years after it was first used."

2. Jobo2007 and Playyyerr55 have both been recruited from AiScout. Additionally, the chairman is looking closely at Nippywinger, who has proven herself to be prolific having made 5(FIVE) TikTok's, amassing 637 views in total.

3. Mbappe definitely signed.I can confirm that a firm offer has been submitted for Kylian Mbappe. A limited edition signed picture of Mbappe scoring a screamer has been secured following protracted negotiations involving Chairman Pace, Getty Images and YellowHeart, with a fee of the Burnley FC Women 2021-22 Squad Non-fungible Token, plus 3 ultra-rare NFT's of an actual discarded Twix wrapper from the Cricket Field Stand men's urinal that occurred only once ever during half time in the Cardiff match on 13th April 2019.

Seriously, I hope we can make a couple of signings, and begin to bring through more youth, as clearly Pace is becoming a marketing mouthpiece in the worrying absence of external finance.

[dibraidio]

Story today saying Liverpool want 10m for Nat Phillips. Given his performances this season in the Premier League surely he'd be a better option than some of the over priced championship defenders we've been linked with. The stumbling block might be his 65k wages and the fact that he wants to stay and fight for his place at Liverpool.

[Gordaleman]

Story today saying Liverpool want 10m for Nat Phillips. Given his performances this season in the Premier League surely he'd be a better option than some of the over priced championship defenders we've been linked with. The stumbling block might be his 65k wages and the fact that he wants to stay and fight for his place at Liverpool.

Surprised that they only want £10,000,000. He looks a class act to me.

[MACCA]

To, to, to!

To, to, to.

[FeedTheArf]

Story today saying Liverpool want 10m for Nat Phillips. Given his performances this season in the Premier League surely he'd be a better option than some of the over priced championship defenders we've been linked with. The stumbling block might be his 65k wages and the fact that he wants to stay and fight for his place at Liverpool.

His wage is obviously pure speculation, but if it’s anywhere close to 65k a week it just shows the issues we’re up against. £65k a week for effectively a reserve defender is crazy. Yes he’s had a good run in the team but prior to that he’s had little football for a player of 24.

He looks like he’s be a solid signing but you couldn’t be paying him more than Mee.