Summer 2021 Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[duncandisorderly]

It's like your having a conversation with someone else or have missed about 2 pages out prior to this. My original comments were aimed at someone who said we did not require additions as the squad was capable of finishing 12th. Something I disagree with and judging by your last comments it would seem you do too.
Can you go away now please?

That's not what I said though.

[duncandisorderly]

Have you been asleep for the last 12 months?

Come on KRBFC, you claim to want proper football debate and then post **** like this.

I have been asleep every day at least once for the last 12 months, yes.

When we played with
Pope
Lowton Mee Tarkowski Taylor
JBG Cork Westwood McNeil
Vydra Wood

we did well. Look it up. We suffered due to a poor squad, I've not once tried to claim otherwise, but our 1st XI is, by and large, a very capable top division team.

edit - erroneous copy/paste balls up.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Come on KRBFC, you claim to want proper football debate and then post **** like this.

I have been asleep every day at least once for the last 12 months, yes.

When we played with
Pope
RB Mee Tarkowski Taylor
RW Cork Westwood McNeil
CF Wood

we did well. Look it up. We suffered due to a poor squad, I've not once tried to claim otherwise, but our 1st XI is, by and large, a very capable top division team.

To be fair I think that exact line up lost 7 of the last 9 games. It’s an ageing eleven that is slowly deteriorating

[claretonthecoast1882]

Luckily most people judge a season over 38 games not 9

[Vegas Claret]

we've all talked about needing pace and we've all talked (especially Dyche) about needing to keep the ball better. In reality at this stage of their careers are Westy, Cork etc going to improve in that area ? I'm doubtful and for me that is a massive problem for us

[milkcrate_mosh]

pope didn't play in 5 of those losses to be fair.

[duncandisorderly]

To be fair I think that exact line up lost 7 of the last 9 games. It’s an ageing eleven that is slowly deteriorating

Well, Pope missed 5 of those 9 and Charlie Taylor missed a couple too and JBG was only bit part.

I'm not arguing the point that the squad needs strengthening, we certainly need a good and fit right winger and back up keeper, I'm just exasperatingly trying to say that the core players of our main starting XI are proper premier league players that have more than earned the right to play in this division and that it's not the massive overhaul that some think is needed.

[warksclaret]

If we play 442 , as I am certain we will, and play two wide men-presumably McNeil and hopefully a new RW, then by playing Cork and Westwood we will be over run in at least 80% of our PL games

[kentonclaret]

The point is that it is an ageing squad of players and not recruiting in this window is simply kicking the can further down the road.

[KRBFC]

Come on KRBFC, you claim to want proper football debate and then post **** like this.

I have been asleep every day at least once for the last 12 months, yes.

When we played with
Pope
Lowton Mee Tarkowski Taylor
JBG Cork Westwood McNeil
Vydra Wood

we did well. Look it up. We suffered due to a poor squad, I've not once tried to claim otherwise, but our 1st XI is, by and large, a very capable top division team.

edit - erroneous copy/paste balls up.

But how many times did that 11 start together last season? We have alot of players who are the same people but they aren't the same players and they're only going to get worse with age.

Cork isn't the same player he was 2-3 years ago when he got his England call up.
Taylor I'm a huge fan of but I thought he had a poor season.
Barnes an effective weapon 2 years ago, capable of a scoring run, doesn't look the same player at all.
Gudmundsson 1 assist in 2 season.
Vydra I like him but is he really good enough? I'm not convinced tbh

over a 38 game season, I don't see this side capable of finishing 10th as good as Dyche is. Every passing year the ability in the team declines (without additions), while we may have alot of the European qualifier lot at the club, they aren't the same level individually.

[Taffy on the wing]

YAWN!..........it's the hope that kills you.

[Conroysleftfoot]

People writing off newly promoted sides? I'm genuinely not sure what to expect with the 3. I do think last season was the weakest PL in a long time at the bottom, the 3 who went down did with a whimper which is very unusual, normally 2 put up some kind of a fight.

I don't know why we're discussing this on a thread about transfers though...

Probably because things are a bit light on the transfer front to be able to discuss.

[KRBFC]

we've all talked about needing pace and we've all talked (especially Dyche) about needing to keep the ball better. In reality at this stage of their careers are Westy, Cork etc going to improve in that area ? I'm doubtful and for me that is a massive problem for us

I agree with this, I'd like to see us adopt a 343/352/3412 at the moment we are just limited in different areas to adopt it.

Pope
Collins Tark Mee
???? ????? ?????? Taylor
Mcneil
Wood ?????

Something like that with mcneil in a central floating role.

[warksclaret]

But how many times did that 11 start together last season? We have alot of players who are the same people but they aren't the same players and they're only going to get worse with age.

Cork isn't the same player he was 2-3 years ago when he got his England call up.
Taylor I'm a huge fan of but I thought he had a poor season.
Barnes an effective weapon 2 years ago, capable of a scoring run, doesn't look the same player at all.
Gudmundsson 1 assist in 2 season.
Vydra I like him but is he really good enough? I'm not convinced tbh

over a 38 game season, I don't see this side capable of finishing 10th as good as Dyche is. Every passing year the ability in the team declines (without additions), while we may have alot of the European qualifier lot at the club, they aren't the same level individually.

Have to agree with above-its a bit like saying that Henderson should be starting in midfield for England. Phillips, Rice and Mount are much better, fitter , better technically and more able of fulfilling that role.

[Guller Bull]

Has Brownhill moved on or are we just writing him off?

[Socrates]

Fail to see how Brentford can be written off. Very progressive club, with good owners and manager, and brilliant at unearthing good talent. I think they will have a very good season

Based on what?

They have almost no Premier League experience in their squad.

They can be as progressive as they want ….. but there is a massive, massive difference between being a play-off team in the Championship and surviving in the Premier League.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Has Brownhill moved on or are we just writing him off?

He was written off by many on here ages ago, something about him being barely championship standard etc etc.

[Newcastleclaret93]

He was written off by many on here ages ago, something about him being barely championship standard etc etc.

Come on DJ I think you would struggle to find anyone that said he is not championship standard.

I think people are within there rights to say he is not premier league standard. He’s played for 18 months and has barely had one noticeable performance.

However, I would be interested to see what he is like in a midfield three.

[Iloveyoubrady]

Has Brownhill moved on or are we just writing him off?

He’s a perfectly good player for us. Nobody is writing him off. He’s probably not in our best 11, but will always play a lot of games...

[warksclaret]

Based on what?

They have almost no Premier League experience in their squad.

They can be as progressive as they want ….. but there is a massive, massive difference between being a play-off team in the Championship and surviving in the Premier League.

Jesus are we not allowed an opinion. Its based on having similarities in the way they are run and managed to Wolves and Leeds and being SMART. On your basis the 3 promoted clubs should all go down in their first year. Do you have any knowledge of how much forward planning they do on new players, then if someone offers ridiculous money they sell them and re-invest. Benrahma and Watkins are good examples, and were sold for a total of £70m.They bought Ivan Toney for £5m from Peterborough and I think that in a short period they could today get 6 times that in the transfer market today. Oh and by the way when we were stalling at paying Oldham £1m for Tarkowski they snatched him and now have a 27% sell on clause. I also rate their manager as a shrewd manager who can hold his own in the PL.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Come on DJ I think you would struggle to find anyone that said he is not championship standard.

I think people are within there rights to say he is not premier league standard. He’s played for 18 months and has barely had one noticeable performance.

However, I would be interested to see what he is like in a midfield three.

Ha, barely one noticeable performance just highlights how low your opinion of him is.

Plenty have said he's utter gash, when the reality is he isn't, just some of you aren't interested in letting him bed in, we've had disjointed seasons and Covid kicking around etc.
It's much easier to write a lad off instantly and make rubbish claims that he's barely had one noticeable performance.

[Spijed]

I agree with this, I'd like to see us adopt a 343/352/3412 at the moment we are just limited in different areas to adopt it.

Pope
Collins Tark Mee
???? ????? ?????? Taylor
Mcneil
Wood ?????

Something like that with mcneil in a central floating role.

Isn't Lowton integral to us getting crosses into the box?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Ha, barely one noticeable performance just highlights how low your opinion of him is.

Plenty have said he's utter gash, when the reality is he isn't, just some of you aren't interested in letting him bed in, we've had disjointed seasons and Covid kicking around etc.
It's much easier to write a lad off instantly and make rubbish claims that he's barely had one noticeable performance.

Fair enough it’s just my opinion. I haven’t seen anything from him to suggest he can ever make the step up and be our main CM.

I think he’s had long enough to bed in, he’s had 18 months and for me is yet to show any kind of real ability.

Don’t mind him being in the squad to fill in every now and then.

He is definitely good enough for the championship though.

[kentonclaret]

He’s a perfectly good player for us. Nobody is writing him off. He’s probably not in our best 11, but will always play a lot of games...

Based on the fact that he signed in February 2020 and has made over 40 appearances our best 11 isn't available very often

[DCWat]

Ha, barely one noticeable performance just highlights how low your opinion of him is.

Plenty have said he's utter gash, when the reality is he isn't, just some of you aren't interested in letting him bed in, we've had disjointed seasons and Covid kicking around etc.
It's much easier to write a lad off instantly and make rubbish claims that he's barely had one noticeable performance.

I’m firmly in the yet to be convinced camp, when it comes to Brownhill. He’s a long way to go to be fit to lace the boots of the much derided Cork.

This is a make or break season for him, for me. You’re right that he’s had an unusual start - probably thrown in far quicker than was expected and this followed by a limited break ahead of what was a very bizarre season all round.

No excuses this time though - if he’s not claimed a regular starting place in the first XI - he’s hit the limits he’ll achieve at this level.

This may well bite me on the arse down the line, but that’s how I see it right now. Time will tell.

[kentonclaret]

I’m firmly in the yet to be convinced camp, when it comes to Brownhill. He’s a long way to go to be fit to lace the boots of the much derided Cork.

This is a make or break season for him, for me. You’re right that he’s had an unusual start - probably thrown in far quicker than was expected and this followed by a limited break ahead of what was a very bizarre season all round.

No excuses this time though - if he’s not claimed a regular starting place in the first XI - he’s hit the limits he’ll achieve at this level.

This may well bite me on the arse down the line, but that’s how I see it right now. Time will tell.

More then 40 League appearances since signing in February 2020 isn't a regular?

How many appearances should he have made?

[DCWat]

He would have had nowhere near that number had it not been for injuries in central midfield or on the right. How many of those appearances are from the bench.

If you think he’s done enough to warrant starting games, that’s fine, I’m not of the same view.

[willsclarets]

I think Brownhill is a bit underrated off the ball, and is improving on it. He makes a lot of interceptions, recoveries etc if you look at the stats. I certainly agree we need some investment in central midfield, but Brownhill I think does and will cut the mustard in future seasons.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I’m firmly in the yet to be convinced camp, when it comes to Brownhill. He’s a long way to go to be fit to lace the boots of the much derided Cork.

This is a make or break season for him, for me. You’re right that he’s had an unusual start - probably thrown in far quicker than was expected and this followed by a limited break ahead of what was a very bizarre season all round.

No excuses this time though - if he’s not claimed a regular starting place in the first XI - he’s hit the limits he’ll achieve at this level.

This may well bite me on the arse down the line, but that’s how I see it right now. Time will tell.

This is the better season to judge him on

[minnieclaret]

Deep into last season Brownhill was top for interceptions in the PL. He missed some games and was overtaken but clearly a very good squad player.

[Guller Bull]

Brownhill is already a top player for us and I feel fairly sure that he will cement his place as the linchpin in our midfield.

[DCWat]

This is the better season to judge him on

Yes, I think that’s probably fair.

He does have some impressive stats, I just don’t see much productivity with the ball, on the back of those stats.

I’ll happily eat my words if he proves me wrong.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Yes, I think that’s probably fair.

He does have some impressive stats, I just don’t see much productivity with the ball, on the back of those stats.

I’ll happily eat my words if he proves me wrong.

Defensively he's very good, which has helped a lot, but his stats show a lack of forward play, but we don't know if that's him or the system he's fitting into.

[Iloveyoubrady]

Based on the fact that he signed in February 2020 and has made over 40 appearances our best 11 isn't available very often

Yes our best 11 is very rarely available as your always likely to have 1 or 2 injuries.

[Dark Cloud]

Can we bust the myth that we got away with it - We didn't.

36 points is all you will EVER require to stop up these days and we got more than that. Even if the bottom three had been better we would have survived anyway as they would only have matched what relegated clubs had achieved in previous seasons.

Spijed, you often write plenty of sense (imo), but come on, we DID get away with it. For every good performance there were three poor ones and that won't cut it next season.

[KRBFC]

Isn't Lowton integral to us getting crosses into the box?

His delivery isn't good enough to be in a 352 and he can't travel with the ball well enough imo.

[Spijed]

Spijed, you often write plenty of sense (imo), but come on, we DID get away with it. For every good performance there were three poor ones and that won't cut it next season.

The reason I think we were comfortable is that in any normal season the relegated teams, for the last few seasons at least, have been getting 34/35 points. So even if Fulham had got a few more points it's unlikely they would have got more than Bournemouth (when they went down), for example.

I think we would have got away with it had we only got 31/32 points, not the 39 we eventually ended up with.

Let's not forget, our performances tail off dramatically under SD once we are safe, and I suspect we would have got something from the Sheff United game had we really needed to.

[boatshed bill]

If only pointing out the weaknesses in others could make us stronger

[NewClaret]

I think Brownhill is a bit underrated off the ball, and is improving on it. He makes a lot of interceptions, recoveries etc if you look at the stats. I certainly agree we need some investment in central midfield, but Brownhill I think does and will cut the mustard in future seasons.

Only had one full season in the Prem, hits some of the best stats off-the-ball stats for midfielders across the whole league and some write him off

I predict a big second season for him.

[Pearcey]

Looks like Hennessey in and BPF out then. I think Hennessey is solid back up so I’d be happy if we sign him on a free.

Cornet and Albrighton would be cracking signings if they come off. Hopefully things will start to move soon.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Looks like Hennessey in and BPF out then. I think Hennessey is solid back up so I’d be happy if we sign him on a free.

Cornet and Albrighton would be cracking signings if they come off. Hopefully things will start to move soon.

Looking like Albrighton is going to sign a new contract on 48k a week

[ClaretAL]

Thursday tomorrow, you never know

[boatshed bill]

Looks like Hennessey in and BPF out then. I think Hennessey is solid back up so I’d be happy if we sign him on a free.

Cornet and Albrighton would be cracking signings if they come off. Hopefully things will start to move soon.

i think BPF should get a season of football (Championship)
he's dug N'I. out with some fine performances so we shouldn't write him off.
Some players are OK at doing bugger-all for a season , some are not.

[Pearcey]

Looking like Albrighton is going to sign a new contract on 48k a week

Will he be first choice at Leicester? He would be at Burnley so that might sway him. Fingers crossed.

[DCWat]

Only had one full season in the Prem, hits some of the best stats off-the-ball stats for midfielders across the whole league and some write him off

I predict a big second season for him.

Not writing him off, merely saying that I’m yet to be convinced and that this is a big season for him.

You can take as much or as little as you like from stats, twisting them anyway you wish (positive or negative). Call me old fashioned, but stats are still the last thing I’d look at when forming an opinion of a player.

Unless you’re really into the data side, or working with sports performance data, I’d guess that the vast majority of fans form an opinion without numbers.

[bodge]

You make some fair points DC but a fair number of fans don't see the work off the ball that players put in.

As we know we don't often dominate possession, so it's a vital ingredient for one of our players, as alluded to above, Brownhill plays an integral part in getting the ball back for us by his interceptions and effectively shutting his opponent down.

That in my opinion makes him a vital part of Dyche's team whilst also recognising he needs to improve as a player with the ball.

[boatshed bill]

You make some fair points DC but a fair number of fans don't see the work off the ball that players put in.

As we know we don't often dominate possession, so it's a vital ingredient for one of our players, as alluded to above, Brownhill plays an integral part in getting the ball back for us by his interceptions and effectively shutting his opponent down.

That in my opinion makes him a vital part of Dyche's team whilst also recognising he needs to improve as a player with the ball.

Really good on interceptions (I'm not sure if this is a modern term for tackles won ), but suffers from our biggest midfield problem, ball retention

[DCWat]

You make some fair points DC but a fair number of fans don't see the work off the ball that players put in.

As we know we don't often dominate possession, so it's a vital ingredient for one of our players, as alluded to above, Brownhill plays an integral part in getting the ball back for us by his interceptions and effectively shutting his opponent down.

That in my opinion makes him a vital part of Dyche's team whilst also recognising he needs to improve as a player with the ball.

Interceptions are great, but as you say, what follows is important.

I’ve certainly seen glimpses from him, I just hope that he can now push on and really earn a starting place. As I said, I think this is something of a make or break season for him, at this level - he really should be earmarking a place ahead of Cork or Westwood.

[KRBFC]

Interceptions are great, but as you say, what follows is important.

I’ve certainly seen glimpses from him, I just hope that he can now push on and really earn a starting place. As I said, I think this is something of a make or break season for him, at this level - he really should be earmarking a place ahead of Cork or Westwood.

I don't know how he doesn't score any goals, certainly showed the ability with the goal at Millwall away. I think his goal record with Bristol was decent too

[DCWat]

I don't know how he doesn't score any goals, certainly showed the ability with the goal at Millwall away.

He definitely has the ability to. He scored a few for Bristol and I think at least a couple of really good strikes in and amongst.

If he could bring that back to his game, alongside some more intelligent use of the ball……… he’d be sold