Summer 2021 Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[Vegas Claret]

They’ve spent £100m this window now. Hoping they now need to recover some of that outlay and praying we’ll be the ones that do.

129 million, biggest spenders so far

[NewClaret]

Maitland Niles would be my number 1 target, would genuinely be excellent for us. Loan or not I dont care

Agree. Not a fan of loans generally, but since we are where we are, I’d snap your hand off either way.

Makes far more sense to me than adding a third left footed winger.

Hoping he is what Dyche was referring to when discussing chess pieces, but sadly fear it’s more likely that he’s one of the ones that has got away from us!

[KRBFC]

129 million, biggest spenders so far

and they're still shite

[NewClaret]

129 million, biggest spenders so far

I had £50m for White, £30m each for Ramsdale/Odegaard… who’s the other player?

[KRBFC]

I had £50m for White, £30m each for Ramsdale/Odegaard… who’s the other player?

Lokonga £16m

[Hedontplayforyou]

KR ,I agree that the squad needs freshening up, I think the new owners know this, the manager knows this and so do 99% of the fans. Executing it in one window won’t happen but we need first team ready additions in the next couple of weeks or we are for sure going to struggle this season. The consistency of our starting 11 is what’s got us to where we are under Dyche however we always added and groomed the newbies into the side . This has been neglected for to long and I hope that Alan and the gang remedy this and the good times can continue there in ! UTC

[KRBFC]

KR ,I agree that the squad needs freshening up, I think the new owners know this, the manager knows this and so do 99% of the fans. Executing it in one window won’t happen but we need first team ready additions in the next couple of weeks or we are for sure going to struggle this season. The consistency of our starting 11 is what’s got us to where we are under Dyche however we always added and groomed the newbies into the side . This has been neglected for to long and I hope that Alan and the gang remedy this and the good times can continue there in ! UTC

We could do with a young Charlie Taylor at right back and with the way Taylor's been playing, potentially even a left back. I'm a Taylor fan but he's had a rotten 6 months or so

[gandhisflipflop]

Lokonga £16m

Lokonga is class but Arsenal have too many of these types.

[boatshed bill]

We could do with a young Charlie Taylor at right back and with the way Taylor's been playing, potentially even a left back. I'm a Taylor fan but he's had a rotten 6 months or so

I wouldn't blame Taylor, or any of the squad TBH, it's the system that's failing at present.

[NewClaret]

Would you rather watch us in a lower division? I wouldn’t , but that’s what would happen if this boring group of players opened up to play “attractive” football, we have played tk our strengths for a number of years now and have punched way above our weight, hopefully now we add some quality and can give our superb manager more strings to his bow and we can continue to compete amongst the big boys.

Couldn’t agree more.

I’m going to Liverpool tomorrow to watch us play against Liverpool. The 6 times European champions. In the league. How many fans across the country would like to say the same?

Our style is a consequence of the quality of opposition. As Dyche said yesterday, he’s never lost sight of what’s important - the first team winning games. If we dropped a league we’d be able to play more expensively, but I’d much rather we stayed in the Prem and played a more functional style.

Having said that, I noticed that we began playing better football towards the end of last season, but often came away with no points.

[Vegas Claret]

I had £50m for White, £30m each for Ramsdale/Odegaard… who’s the other player?

Nuno Tavares - Benfica, undisclosed (believed to be around the 15 mark)
Albert Sambi Lokonga - Anderlecht, £15m.

[Hedontplayforyou]

I think Taylor has suffered a tad from McNeil roaming a bit more from his position. We became a little less “rigid” towards the end of the season which so a wonderful display against Wolves but also us shipping more goals in other games.

I still think McNeil will go more central if we get other options in to play wide (Cornet, Maitland-Niles, etc)

[NewClaret]

Nuno Tavares - Benfica, undisclosed (believed to be around the 15 mark)
Albert Sambi Lokonga - Anderlecht, £15m.

Wow

[Vegas Claret]

Wow

Arteta will still blame the length of grass, or wind direction, or temperature of the bottled water

[NewClaret]

Arteta will still blame the length of grass, or wind direction, or temperature of the bottled water

Very good chance they could spend that kind of money and be without a point after 3 games.

At least we’ll be pointless without spending the money

[BurnleyPaul]

They’ve spent £100m this window now. Hoping they now need to recover some of that outlay and praying we’ll be the ones that do.

Well they’ve no European football to bring in extra income this season and 25% of their annual income comes from match days (tickets, food/drink, merchandise, stadium tours etc) and that has been non-existent for the last 18 months. They’ve also got to deal with the tv refunds, the fine to UEFA for their involvement in the proposed Super League and God only knows what else.

On the plus side they’ve got rid of some very high earners (e.g. Ozil) this summer which will help them out a little and they’ve brought in some money from the sale of Willock.

Their transfer activity is being bankrolled directly by the Kroenke family this summer but I still think that there’s going to need to be some more money going back into the coffers….if only to pay off Arteta and his coaching team when they inevitably get sacked at some point this season.

I think that they’ll be willing to sell anything that’s not nailed down too firmly but not look so blatantly obvious about it that they encourage people to make lowball bids in the belief that they’re desperate.

Fingers crossed we can take advantage of this before the transfer deadline….

[ClaretEngineer]

…but but but this group of players once finished 7th in league.

Not sure why folk are pinning hopes on the loan market. We never use it effectively and in the end it’s just throwing money away - that we claim we haven’t got.

It will be an underwhelming yet unsurprising window.

It will be another struggle this season.

[Rileybobs]

The problem with loan signings is that there aren’t many players available to loan from the Premier League who would improve us. We’re at a level where better sides would prefer to sell their surplus players, players available on loan are more often young and unproven.

[boatshed bill]

We could do with a decent loan...

perhaps then we could buy a decent player

[NewClaret]

The problem with loan signings is that there aren’t many players available to loan from the Premier League who would improve us. We’re at a level where better sides would prefer to sell their surplus players, players available on loan are more often young and unproven.

Agree.

Plus, I think people sometimes assume they’re free. You pay a fee, then their wages, so you’re effectively just using what are scarce resources investing in someone else’s player.

Has the Lingard loan really helped WHU now that he’s back at Man U? All it’s really done is raise his value to a level they probably can’t afford. For us, it’d just be kicking the can further down the road and developing another teams player, unless there was a buy option.

[NewClaret]

Well they’ve no European football to bring in extra income this season and 25% of their annual income comes from match days (tickets, food/drink, merchandise, stadium tours etc) and that has been non-existent for the last 18 months. They’ve also got to deal with the tv refunds, the fine to UEFA for their involvement in the proposed Super League and God only knows what else.

On the plus side they’ve got rid of some very high earners (e.g. Ozil) this summer which will help them out a little and they’ve brought in some money from the sale of Willock.

Their transfer activity is being bankrolled directly by the Kroenke family this summer but I still think that there’s going to need to be some more money going back into the coffers….if only to pay off Arteta and his coaching team when they inevitably get sacked at some point this season.

I think that they’ll be willing to sell anything that’s not nailed down too firmly but not look so blatantly obvious about it that they encourage people to make lowball bids in the belief that they’re desperate.

Fingers crossed we can take advantage of this before the transfer deadline….

Thanks BurnleyPaul. Lots of points I didn’t know or hadn’t considered in that post.

I can imagine AMN being the player Dyche was referring to when he said “sooner or later you have to pay the money or you don’t get the player”. I can’t see Arsenal dropping much below what they sold Willock for, because they won’t be desperate as you say.

[joey13]

No it wasn't. KRBFC is referring to the beginning of the 2004/05 season when Cotterill inherited 8 first team players from Stan. We actually did very well that season as Cotterill made some very astute signings and loan arrangements.

The 19 game winless run was in the winter of the 2006/07 season. That really was dire. I always thought that the more resources Cotterill was given, the worse we became in terms of performances and results.

For me though, Cotterill's biggest strength was his ability to deal in the transfer market. His players largely took us up 2 years later.

The worst football I have ever seen from a Burnley team in that run , including the 6-0 defeat by Hereford in the 4th

[Fez]

Genuine question, have we ever loaned a player with an option OR obligation to buy?

[PremierLeagueClass]

Oh the great old super fan here, you sound like an idiot.

I attended every single home game under Cotterill, so I dunno what you mean by thick/thin.

The fact you think that says it all unfortunately.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Didn’t see it posted, Otasowie strong (but young) US CM gone from Wolves to Brugge for £3m. Played against us thought he had a great game if I remember right. Either way that’s not a lot!

[boatshed bill]

Genuine question, have we ever loaned a player with an option OR obligation to buy?

Michael Keane?

[Iloveyoubrady]

Thanks BurnleyPaul. Lots of points I didn’t know or hadn’t considered in that post.

I can imagine AMN being the player Dyche was referring to when he said “sooner or later you have to pay the money or you don’t get the player”. I can’t see Arsenal dropping much below what they sold Willock for, because they won’t be desperate as you say.

I can only imagine that is cornet after the reports we have heard but you might be right.

[Fez]

Michael Keane?

Could well be and a very good signing as well.

[gawthorpe_view]

Genuine question, have we ever loaned a player with an option OR obligation to buy?

Mee and Trippier?

[Long Time Lurker]

Double signing of Cornet and Nottm Forest's Joe Lolley for hundreds and thousands of pounds to be announced in the coming few days!

Sorry guys that's the best I could come up with.

I can't see that one happening.

Lolley is a good player and he strikes me as being a better fit for us than Wilson. He has done really well since he moved to Forest, becoming a firm fan favourite, and playing in front of Cash seemed to bring out the best in him.

When he had to play on the left wing he didn't look that shabby either.

Selling Matty Cash has given Forest some financial freedom, on top of them having a very rich owner. When we supposedly expressed an interest in signing Worrall they put a price tag of 12m on him and they stuck firmly to it.

Joe Lolley signed up to a new four and half year contract with them in February of last year and he is one of their primary creators. They don't really have another dedicated player for the right wing slot, apart from the untested Mighten, although they have a few players who can fill in ( their forwards and Freeman ).

Now, towards the end of last season Lolley suffered badly from shin splits and every team has had a very short respite between last season and this season. If we look at the playing stats of Lolley since the start of this season his performances are down and he is spending less time on the pitch before being substituted. He got 59 minutes in their first game, 36 in their second, 14 in their third and he wasn't in their squad for the last game. That strikes me as unusual, when we consider that they lost all three of those games and he is one of their most important players. You would think having him on the pitch for the whole game would be imperative.

https://www.nottinghamforest.news/2019/ ... am-forest/

https://forest.vitalfootball.co.uk/repo ... ssociated/

I think those shin splits are still troubling him, which wouldn't be surprising, because he hasn't really had a full rest period. Severe shin splits can take a number of inactive months to heal.

So, Lolley is an important player for Forest, he is a fan favourite, they have no suitable replacement player in their squad, they aren't desperate for money and he might be injured.

I could be wrong about his possible price, his availability and injury, but I would hope we have a few other options to work with in case I'm right.

If it did happen he would probably cost us a lot of lolly - sorry the best ice pop puns were taken.

And more recently - March 21st 2021, Joe Lolley hobbles off with

https://www.nottinghamforest.news/2021/ ... oe-lolley/

https://onefootball.com/en/news/notting ... e-32625397

His recent hamstring injury and resulting surgery could have happened to anyone, but the early end to his season could have simply masked the ongoing shin problem that might have flared up again if he had kept playing.

In respect to the three games played by Forest this season, he managed to notch up 90 minutes in their Coventry match, was substituted at the 68 minute mark against Bournemouth and he missed their last game because of an unspecified illness.

On the replacement front, Forest have Mighten, they recently brought in Zinckernagel on loan and they could probably push Brennan Johnson out onto the wing if they get desperate. So they have a few more options than last season.

However, if the rumour mill is correct then Brentford have had a couple of bids rejected for Brenna Johnson in this window, with Forest supposedly valuing him at £10m. I genuinely can't get my head around such an excessive valuation for him, but I wouldn't be surprised to see us express a passing interest in him at a much lower valuation.

Since the arrival of Lee Jones as our full time European Scout, we do seem to be looking at far more Welsh players. In fact quite a few of our recent backroom additions have notable links with Welsh football and Wrexham in particular. If we add that to our heavy ex Middlesbrough contingent then it might go some way towards explaining a number of our recent transfer targets.

Picking up the dropped Lolley, ( even though the suggestion was probably only made to serve up a frozen dessert pun ) I still think his ongoing injury history would be too much of a gamble for us, given the price we might be expected to pay to sign him and the length of contract he might want.

No likely, no Lolley ( or no licky no lolly if we want to keep the puns going ).

Sadly, it looks like we might have placed all of our eggs into a cornet shaped basket. A worrying prospect when it is not unknown for clubs and players to keep interested parties on the hook simply to stimulate media coverage that might cause other clubs to enter the fray and create a bidding war ( leading to a higher sale price for the selling club or a better contract for the player ).

Looking at the way we " negotiated " for Collins ( with no other parties interested, unless people really believe clubs like Man Utd were at the table ) our strategy seems to be - throw more money at the situation until everyone involved says yes. For a club that doesn't appear to have much money that strikes me as a worrying development if is in any way true.

When the price for something goes beyond a given point most negotiators move on to a different target ( having multiple targets all lined up ), like Leeds apparently did with Cornet. Plugging away at the same deal, while the clock ticks down towards a fixed deadline, can be very risky.

While the interest that we are supposedly showing in Cornet could lead to a signing, at the moment it is looking like a repeat of the Baptiste Santamaria chase we took part in last Summer.

A good player at the top end of our budget, encouraging noises sustaining our continued interest, and then the player signs for the German club that the rumour mill initially linked him with. Interestingly enough Satamaria moved again a couple of days ago.

[NewClaret]

Didn’t see it posted, Otasowie strong (but young) US CM gone from Wolves to Brugge for £3m. Played against us thought he had a great game if I remember right. Either way that’s not a lot!

They are definitely out there.

Buendia - £1.5m, Matheus Pereira bought for £7.5m. Both sold for multiples of their value a few seasons later.

I think our issue at the moment is we need first team-ready signings after a couple of years under investment. IF we get them this year, I expect future windows will see much easier recruitment at much lower prices.

[Fez]

Mee and Trippier?

2 more great signings, howe signed them, dyche made them to be fair.

Maybe the option to but and/or obligation is something we need to look at more

[Steddyman]

Wouldn't it be exciting if this thread actually contained any transfer news. Can you imagine?

[Fez]

Wouldn't it be exciting if this thread actually contained any transfer news. Can you imagine?

Discussion. No rumours to be discussed unfortunately

[Quickenthetempo]

Has anyone seen much of Diallo at Man U? Available to loan and Sheffield United interested.
Right winger and cost 37m so must have something about him?

[KRBFC]

The fact you think that says it all unfortunately.

Then I don't understand your point, I wasn't born in time for Orient unfortunately. 21 years a fan doesn't make me a new PL cling on fan though.... especially when I'm born in Burnley.

[boatshed bill]

Wouldn't it be exciting if this thread actually contained any transfer news. Can you imagine?

You are expecting a bit much there.

[CnBtruntru]

Wouldn't it be exciting if this thread actually contained any transfer news. Can you imagine?

Nowt like a bit o'sarcasm, when all everyone is discussing is transfers

[Colburn_Claret]

I think Taylor has suffered a tad from McNeil roaming a bit more from his position. We became a little less “rigid” towards the end of the season which so a wonderful display against Wolves but also us shipping more goals in other games.

I still think McNeil will go more central if we get other options in to play wide (Cornet, Maitland-Niles, etc)

I think McNeil excels out wide, but he doesn't have the stamina to keep it up for 90 minutes. Taylor played excellent on Saturday but was left exposed as soon as Dwight tired.
Would a midfield role be easier or harder on the legs?

[boatshed bill]

I think McNeil excels out wide, but he doesn't have the stamina to keep it up for 90 minutes. Taylor played excellent on Saturday but was left exposed as soon as Dwight tired.
Would a midfield role be easier or harder on the legs?

McNeil had a very good first half, though it seems many thought JBG was the star turn.
I think our expectation of DM is ridiculous, it would be interesting to see heat maps of our midfield and forwards.

[summitclaret]

I think McNeil excels out wide, but he doesn't have the stamina to keep it up for 90 minutes. Taylor played excellent on Saturday but was left exposed as soon as Dwight tired.
Would a midfield role be easier or harder on the legs?

What would be worthwhile is to have subs that could make a half decent impact. We play 442 and only have 2 wingers atm. Its absolutely mad.

[KRBFC]

What would be worthwhile is to have subs that could make a half decent impact. We play 442 and only have 2 wingers atm. Its absolutely mad.

You're right, I'm convinced we don't lose that game if Cork and Barnes aren't at the club and have been replaced in the squad adequately, something that should've happened quite a while ago.

[Wokingclaret]

Colin has found a winger

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/foo ... h-21363284

[JonBerro]

Genuine question, have we ever loaned a player with an option OR obligation to buy?

Gomez Mancini

[Wokingclaret]

Also Warnock taking a punt on Toyosi Olusanya from Billericay Town

[boatshed bill]

Going back to the 'loan to buy' question, I guess it's much easier to get them if your club is not in the EPL.

[summitclaret]

You're right, I'm convinced we don't lose that game if Cork and Barnes aren't at the club and have been replaced in the squad adequately, something that should've happened quite a while ago.

Your missing the point, there are 2 vacant places in the squad and these are out wide. We went much of 20/21 with one fit winger and it was a minor miracle that we stayed up. We are just over a week from making the same error. Everyone knows what needed, but will we yet again take a ridiculous risk.

[Hedontplayforyou]

When I say I think McNeil may go central I mean in certain games we could go with a 3 with him being one of them, however this would all depend on us singing some wide players (2) . His delivery from the left is sublime , but he is doubled up on most games now as we have nobody else to create so we are seeing less of it.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

You're right, I'm convinced we don't lose that game if Cork and Barnes aren't at the club and have been replaced in the squad adequately, something that should've happened quite a while ago.

I question whether Dyche reads a match as well as most other managers. McNeill tiring, as you say Cork clearly tiring and Westwood as well which just made Bissouma look like he was getting stronger and faster and he pushed through us. He just never seems to react. At 1-0 you could have shored us up at LM with Pieters, and subbed JRod for Brownhill to go 451 or at least Brownhill for Cork.

[Burnleyareback2]

You're right, I'm convinced we don't lose that game if Cork and Barnes aren't at the club and have been replaced in the squad adequately, something that should've happened quite a while ago.

Absolute nonsense again. What does this even mean?

Please don’t answer and waste my time any further.