Buendia

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:32 pm

Signs for Villa. £30m reported, probably puts Grealish on a few lists.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:40 pm

Looks like Grealish is staying. They will be some team next season. Top 6 isn’t out of there reach

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:41 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:40 pm
Looks like Grealish is staying. They will be some team next season. Top 6 isn’t out of there reach

Depends. When Grealish got injured this season the rest of the team looked very poor at times.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:43 pm

That will also mean Norwich are in the market... not the best news for us. We would be struggling to compete with their buying power before this, with £30m extra in their back sack, they can see us off easily.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:48 pm

bobinho wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:43 pm
That will also mean Norwich are in the market... not the best news for us. We would be struggling to compete with their buying power before this, with £30m extra in their back sack, they can see us off easily.

According to the reports this week they have no buying power

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:49 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:40 pm
Looks like Grealish is staying. They will be some team next season. Top 6 isn’t out of there reach

They were supposed to be “some team” this season and finished 11th. For context, that’s a place lower than we managed last season at a fraction of the cost.

Basket case of a club. It nearly caught up with them two years ago. It’ll catch up with them before long.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:50 pm

Well they do now CT.

Fair bit of business that tho... £1m outlay and £30m in a couple of seasons later. Prices of players have gone ballistic...

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:52 pm

agreenwood wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:49 pm
They were supposed to be “some team” this season and finished 11th. For context, that’s a place lower than we managed last season at a fraction of the cost.

Basket case of a club. It nearly caught up with them two years ago. It’ll catch up with them before long.

Not far short of £250m spent in two summer windows. Almost down the first year and ultimately underachieved in the second year.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:52 pm
Not far short of £250m spent in two summer windows. Almost down the first year and ultimately underachieved in the second year.

Yep. They’ve turned average into a far more expensive business than it should be.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:53 pm

You'd think Norwich would be far better off keeping players like Buendia and Aarons. There's no chance they can adequately replace players like that with the sort of money they spend. Going to be another tough season for them.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:03 pm

Gutted because I dislike Villa and Buendia’s one of my favourite players. Class act.

Hoping they sell Grealish now because the thought of both of them in the same side is quite frightening!

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:06 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:48 pm
According to the reports this week they have no buying power

Which ones are those Tony?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:19 pm

Is this confirmed or newspaper reports? I don't see any Villa statement

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:25 pm

bobinho wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:43 pm
That will also mean Norwich are in the market... not the best news for us. We would be struggling to compete with their buying power before this, with £30m extra in their back sack, they can see us off easily.

Well £7/8m of that £30m is earmarked for Ben Gibson, so it doesn't leave a lot once you take wages etc into account for any newbies Norwich might like to snap up, and losing Buendia is a major blow for them as he was one of the few that looked the part in their last PL campaign.

Hopefully these types of transfers will show Burnley fans that should we wish to cash in on say Dwight then we can demand top banana from any interested parties, after all if EB is worth £30m Dwight must be worth at least that figure if not more, as he's performed in the PL for nigh on 3 years solid now, whereas Buendia has only had a season at this level to showcase his talents.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:34 pm

Buendia is a terrific player but that’s another huge chunk of money tabled by Villa.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:40 pm

And these types of transfers also show Burnley fans what established players cost...

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:42 pm

bobinho wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:40 pm
And these types of transfers also show Burnley fans what established players cost...

Agreed. No way we can compete with transfers like this.

ClaretLoup · Post by **ClaretLoup** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:49 pm

Just to add some perspective Bob, he has played one season in the Premier League for a team that fell 15 points short and was dumb enough to get himself sent off vs Burnley.

So he is not even “established” unlike say Jeff Hendrick.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:07 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:42 pm
Agreed. No way we can compete with transfers like this.

If only our new board had invested into the club instead of putting us into debt

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:11 pm

Fair point Loup... If that is what £30m gets you, what are we likely to be getting? We have to rely on our recruitment team and scouts to be on their A game, because we will again be buying potential.

Local cricketer · Post by **Local cricketer** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:50 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:40 pm
Looks like Grealish is staying. They will be some team next season. Top 6 isn’t out of there reach

Every club in the league is capable of top 6 according to you apart from Burnley. Give the negativity a rest and you’ll enjoy life so much more

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:54 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:52 pm
Not far short of £250m spent in two summer windows. Almost down the first year and ultimately underachieved in the second year.

Pundits rarely mention the huge amount they have spent-they have a huge squad of high value purchases. For what they have spent they should have gained a top 6th or 7th place. They have realised that talent is plentiful in the Championship. I think he will replace Barkely who was was featuring less and less towards the season end. Think he will go back to Chelsea

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:56 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:42 pm
Agreed. No way we can compete with transfers like this.

we can compete with transfers like this but we choose not to, slightly modified your post as applicable.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:13 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:06 pm
Which ones are those Tony?

BBC when they claimed they were going down the Burnley route.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:25 pm

£33m rising to £38m according to BBC

Good business by Norwich - set a price and stuck to it

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:26 pm

If Grealish stays SD might like to bid for his fashion advisor Jock Wan. That’s McGinn for those who haven’t heard the story.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:30 pm

Also a sell on clause included.

Norwich have done well here.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:31 pm

Good deal all round.

Norwich get a great fee.

Villa get a very good chance creating right winger and have plenty of money to throw at it.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:32 pm

ClaretLoup wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:49 pm
Just to add some perspective Bob, he has played one season in the Premier League for a team that fell 15 points short and was dumb enough to get himself sent off vs Burnley.

So he is not even “established” unlike say Jeff Hendrick.

Jeff Hendrick

good one

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:37 pm

Jeff is an established PL player though, 4yrs with us as first choice proves that.

Then he was signed by another PL club when his contract expired.

Bruce just doesn't know what to do with him to get the best out of him.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:06 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:37 pm
Jeff is an established PL player though, 4yrs with us as first choice proves that.

Then he was signed by another PL club when his contract expired.

Bruce just doesn't know what to do with him to get the best out of him.

He’s at best a filler at a lower premier club. He’s a useful squad addition but I don’t think many would see him as an established premier league player.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:11 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:37 pm
Jeff is an established PL player though, 4yrs with us as first choice proves that.

Then he was signed by another PL club when his contract expired.

Bruce just doesn't know what to do with him to get the best out of him.

Established low level PL player, sure. I laughed at the ''he's not even PL proven like Jeff Hendrick'' though, Buendia has more technical quality in his left big toe than Hendrick has in both feet. It's also a weird thing to say given last time Buendia was in the PL he was top quality statistically regardless of his teams league position. Plenty of relegated players have proven more than good enough, including some of our own previously. Also what does getting a red card have to do with being PL proven?

Messi got a red last season in a cup final, is he not proven?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:23 pm

I ain't got a clue what you're on about in regards to a red card.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:39 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:23 pm
I ain't got a clue what you're on about in regards to a red card.

''was dumb enough to get himself sent off vs Burnley.

So he is not even “established” unlike say Jeff Hendrick.''

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:42 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:39 pm
''was dumb enough to get himself sent off vs Burnley.

So he is not even “established” unlike say Jeff Hendrick.''

Ah, well the red card isn't really relevant to if a player is established or not.
5 straight seasons in the PL compared to one is the important part.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:14 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:42 pm
Ah, well the red card isn't really relevant to if a player is established or not.
5 straight seasons in the PL compared to one is the important part.

The most important part is he's worth more than Jeff Hendrick because he's a better player.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:18 am

CFS wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:14 am
The most important part is he's worth more than Jeff Hendrick because he's a better player.

Almost 5 years difference as well, 1 turns 25 shortly before the other turns 30.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:33 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:37 pm
Jeff is an established PL player though, 4yrs with us as first choice proves that.

Then he was signed by another PL club when his contract expired.

Bruce just doesn't know what to do with him to get the best out of him.

It's all about opinions, but if it's just about established, then Bruce must be far more established as a manager than Jeff is as a player?

So you can't use it to say one is good and the other doesn't know what he's doing.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:30 am

Local cricketer wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:50 pm
Every club in the league is capable of top 6 according to you apart from Burnley. Give the negativity a rest and you’ll enjoy life so much more

Not sure how my post could possibly be deemed as negative. Villa have got incredible first team now. Again more rubbish from you, I haven’t said any other teams could push top 6.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:31 am

For such a small thread within a short period of time must rank or be up there in contention with an historic all time high for consistent botty burping on this forum.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:04 am

£34M upfront, rising to £40M according to John Percy.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:34 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:30 am
Not sure how my post could possibly be deemed as negative. Villa have got incredible first team now. Again more rubbish from you, I haven’t said any other teams could push top 6.

Incredible?

HB Claret · Post by **HB Claret** » Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:37 am

I wonder if this means they have given up on buying Dwight now ?

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:07 am

Norwich have already lost the most important player they had last season. Oliver Skipp was absolute class for them.

ClaretLoup · Post by **ClaretLoup** » Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:10 am

Skipp & Buendia were two of six Norwich players in the PFA team of the year, the others were Aarons, Pukki, Krul, and Grant Hanley! There were three Brentford players and the two not to gain promotion were Armstrong and Michael Olise who is a 19 year old French midfield player at Reading. Allegedly Leeds and Villa are “linked” to the latter.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:13 am

We can’t buy the best players off fellow premier league strugglers or top championship teams so the likes Buendia and Pereira are not realistic targets but Nowrich bought Buendia for around 1.35 million and West Brom Pereira for 7.4 so we need to be finding players before they get to Premier league or top championship teams, and the fact that we are a Premier league team, may entice a good player even within our wage structure because he gets a place on the biggest stage and will play.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:39 am

Buendia was only on around £20k a week at Norwich.

With a proper scouting network we should be able to find players like him, if he was willing to join Norwich, he could've been willing to join us

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:16 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:39 am
Buendia was only on around £20k a week at Norwich.

With a proper scouting network we should be able to find players like him, if he was willing to join Norwich, he could've been willing to join us

Dyche isn't keen to sign foreign players with no premier league experience though.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:19 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:16 pm
Dyche isn't keen to sign foreign players with no premier league experience though.

I'm not sure that's true. I thought it was more a case of not historically having the scouting infrastructure to identify such players.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:26 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:19 pm
I'm not sure that's true. I thought it was more a case of not historically having the scouting infrastructure to identify such players.

It might be a bit of both but you can get stats on any player in the world. So the scouting is half done already.

We have only signed 3 players from abroad with no English experience. Defour, the German striker and the Belgian that lasted a month.