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Re: Today's Games

Post by KRBFC » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:00 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:45 pm
That miss from Muller was very reminiscent of Jordan Rhodes' at Ewood. As was the feeling that we, Burnley and England, were going to go on and win.

Anybody heard from the Jocks - the real ones or the plastic ones - who post on here ?
Funny you say that it was the first thing that popped into my head, it was just meant to be our day
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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:01 pm

Yep let put it into perspective along with France '82, Holland '96, Germany '01 and Argentina '02 this is probably one of the top 5 England performances of the last half a century

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Re: Today's Games

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:01 pm

Ukraine or Sweden ? who do we fancy next ?

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:02 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:58 pm
Ironic that many critics of Our (Burnley) style under SD are full of praise for Gareth Southgates tactics.

Can't have it both ways.
You seem to want it both ways. Praise Burnley and do nothing but criticise England

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by Spijed » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:03 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:02 pm
You seem to want it both ways. Praise Burnley and do nothing but criticise England
But Burnley don't have the same quality available. We do brilliantly when you see what we are up against

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:06 pm

Been a big critic of Southgate but he seems to have got Pickford to grow up. Very professional performance all round, it was close as expected and swung on a couple of chances. So credit to Southgate, but bigger challenges ahead, they were not a German team that will live in the memory.

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:08 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:03 pm
But Burnley don't have the same quality available. We do brilliantly when you see what we are up against
I know we do brilliantly but Southgates results since becoming England the manager have been great too. Also the way he handles himself and the team spirit and professionalism he has created is everything we rightly praise Dyche for but again you and others pick holes in it with Southgate.

You raise a great point about people wanting it both ways but the truth is it is you and all the other Southgate haters who are the perpetrators of this behaviour
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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by bf2k » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:10 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:50 pm
Semi finals of the World Cup
Finals of the nations league
Flawless qualifying campaign
Quarter finals of the euros

Just 1 game………
Yes just one game.

The majority of the games he’s been in charge of have been so underwhelming. This is the best group of players I’ve seen in an England squad he should be reaching semi-finals and beating a very poor German side.

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Re: Today's Games

Post by Dressinggown » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:12 pm

We, as with most of our World population, have had to take huge steps to avoid the widespread CORONA for months on end.

Today was the antidote.

Absolute mayhem on the outside picnic tables at Lowerhouse Cricket Club when the second went in.

Tears of Joy was an understatement.
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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by dandeclaret » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:12 pm

Every squad is the best squad, Cole terry lampard Ferdinand Gerrard, best squad ever…… and every game is against inferior opposition. Bizarre lack of realism.

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:14 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:08 pm
I know we do brilliantly but Southgates results since becoming England the manager have been great too. Also the way he handles himself and the team spirit and professionalism he has created is everything we rightly praise Dyche for but again you and others pick holes in it with Southgate.

You raise a great point about people wanting it both ways but the truth is it is you and all the other Southgate haters who are the perpetrators of this behaviour
I think people pick holes because Southgate can be overly and unnecessarily negative in games that don't require it. Today was understandable, against Scotland it wasn't. I've never heard anyone criticize the way Southgate handles himself ever, he comes across as a thoroughly decent bloke.

We all want England to do well but as footy fans we debate the rights and wrongs of tactics, what is a real shame is people don't understand the difference between an argument and a debate and then start pathetic threads like this

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Re: Today's Games

Post by BenWickes » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:15 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:01 pm
Ukraine or Sweden ? who do we fancy next ?
Defensively Ukraine are weaker but are probably more of a threat than Sweden. The Swedes are always solid. I'd plump for Ukraine and get it out wide early. The Dutch made hay using the flanks against Ukraine. We should be way too strong for either though.

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Re: Today's Games

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:18 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:45 pm
That miss from Muller was very reminiscent of Jordan Rhodes' at Ewood. As was the feeling that we, Burnley and England, were going to go on and win.

Anybody heard from the Jocks - the real ones or the plastic ones - who post on here ?
Sometimes it takes something like that. I’m convinced we’d have lost that day at Ewood had we gone 2-0 down. Who knows what would have happened had the Germans equalised so quickly today.
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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:18 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:14 pm
I think people pick holes because Southgate can be overly and unnecessarily negative in games that don't require it. Today was understandable, against Scotland it wasn't. I've never heard anyone criticize the way Southgate handles himself ever, he comes across as a thoroughly decent bloke.

We all want England to do well but as footy fans we debate the rights and wrongs of tactics, what is a real shame is people don't understand the difference between an argument and a debate and then start pathetic threads like this
There's people who have made their mind up and will take a different position on a similar situation based on who it is. I love intelligent debate and discussion but if you look back at the threads about England and Southgate its just filled with absolute biased nonsense with not an ounce of intelligence.

Not everyone of course but enough to highlight their ridiculousness when it is shown to be

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by KRBFC » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:21 pm

bf2k wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:10 pm
Yes just one game.

The majority of the games he’s been in charge of have been so underwhelming. This is the best group of players I’ve seen in an England squad he should be reaching semi-finals and beating a very poor German side.
The best group of England players you have ever seen? Are you 5 years old? better group than the Gerrard Scholes Carrick Lampard Cole J Cole Rooney Beckham Rio Terry lot? not a chance. It's a better group because of the group Southgate has created, sadly people wont want to admit that. We have Leeds United and West Ham in a midfield 2 :lol:
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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by BurnleyFC » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:23 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:12 pm
Every squad is the best squad, Cole terry lampard Ferdinand Gerrard, best squad ever…… and every game is against inferior opposition. Bizarre lack of realism.
On paper, that England squad was probably our best ever. If football was like Top Trumps, we would’ve won something during that period.

Unfortunately, the opposition at the time proved themselves to be better.

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Re: Today's Games

Post by karatekid » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:23 pm

You should never pick players based on what team they play for. Current form is key.

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:24 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:18 pm
There's people who have made their mind up and will take a different position on a similar situation based on who it is. I love intelligent debate and discussion but if you look back at the threads about England and Southgate its just filled with absolute biased nonsense with not an ounce of intelligence.

Not everyone of course but enough to highlight their ridiculousness when it is shown to be
just as ridiculous as CC starting a thread about it to try and incorrectly point prove - let's have it right, so far we've won nothing under Southgate, so for me the positives and negatives pretty much cancel themselves out. I really don't enjoy his negativity in a lot of games and have been reasonably vocal about it, but I've added that I'd love him to prove me completely wrong, win the Euro's and then the World Cup etc etc

I'm always up for a debate, petty point scoring is abject pissery and just reflects badly imho

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by BenWickes » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:28 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:21 pm
The best group of England players you have ever seen? Are you 5 years old? better group than the Gerrard Scholes Carrick Lampard Cole J Cole Rooney Beckham Rio Terry lot? not a chance. It's a better group because of the group Southgate has created, sadly people wont want to admit that. We have Leeds United and West Ham in a midfield 2 :lol:
Southgate isn't shy on making difficult decisions. I'll give him that. As he said tonight. You sometimes play the team you're against. He's not afraid to make unusual/unpopular decisions like leaving out Grealish.
We had a plethora of talent back then but the question was always asked. Who do you play? Southgate was quite happy dropping all three of our most creative talents because it fit the team we were against.
I tell you what. I can't wait for that handbrake being taken off and unleashing our talent!
Southgate has got it bob on for me so far.
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Re: Today's Games

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:29 pm

1-0 Ukraine

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Re: Today's Games

Post by tiger76 » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:30 pm

1-0 Ukraine, well worked goal, and a good finish, but the keeper could possibly have done better.

However Ukraine have never kept a clean sheet at the Euro's so don't write Sweden off just yet.

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Re: Today's Games

Post by evensteadiereddie » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:30 pm

Hell of a strike. Too much for the keeper.

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:31 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:21 pm
The best group of England players you have ever seen? Are you 5 years old? better group than the Gerrard Scholes Carrick Lampard Cole J Cole Rooney Beckham Rio Terry lot? not a chance. It's a better group because of the group Southgate has created, sadly people wont want to admit that. We have Leeds United and West Ham in a midfield 2 :lol:
It's debatable, I'd argue that both Foden and Grealish can carry a ball forward far better than any of those you listed.

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Re: Today's Games

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:32 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:30 pm
Hell of a strike. Too much for the keeper.
I’m not sure the keeper could have done much about it

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:40 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:21 pm
The best group of England players you have ever seen? Are you 5 years old? better group than the Gerrard Scholes Carrick Lampard Cole J Cole Rooney Beckham Rio Terry lot? not a chance. It's a better group because of the group Southgate has created, sadly people wont want to admit that. We have Leeds United and West Ham in a midfield 2 :lol:
We should have done better with this group, Ericson?
We also should have done better in the Gascoigne/Linneker era, Hodgson?

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Re: Today's Games

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:44 pm

1-1

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Re: Today's Games

Post by tiger76 » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:47 pm

Good game this, 1-1 at the break, and it's hard to pick a winner. From England's POV ET wouldn't do us any harm would it.

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Re: Today's Games

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:48 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:47 pm
Good game this, 1-1 at the break, and it's hard to pick a winner. From England's POV ET wouldn't do us any harm would it.
Been an enjoyable 45 mins

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Re: Today's Games

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:48 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:47 pm
Good game this, 1-1 at the break, and it's hard to pick a winner. From England's POV ET wouldn't do us any harm would it.
and a couple of yellow and red cards !

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by KRBFC » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:52 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:31 pm
It's debatable, I'd argue that both Foden and Grealish can carry a ball forward far better than any of those you listed.
but Foden carrying the ball forward doesn't make Lampard and Gerrard worse than Rice and Phillips individually. He said squad

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Re: Today's Games

Post by tiger76 » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:52 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:48 pm
and a couple of yellow and red cards !
TBH if England play anything like we can we should be able to beat either of these, but I'm taking nowt for granted given how unpredictable this last few days have been, and whoever we face we'll need to be on our mettle to progress as both have shown quality at various points of this comp.

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Re: Today's Games

Post by BenWickes » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:53 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:47 pm
Good game this, 1-1 at the break, and it's hard to pick a winner. From England's POV ET wouldn't do us any harm would it.
Not overly worried who we face tbh. Strange things happening in this tournament though. I've already predicted a Sweden win in this one with the wife though. Ahhh it's nice to have a footy mad partner finally.

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by KRBFC » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:55 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:28 pm
Southgate isn't shy on making difficult decisions. I'll give him that. As he said tonight. You sometimes play the team you're against. He's not afraid to make unusual/unpopular decisions like leaving out Grealish.
We had a plethora of talent back then but the question was always asked. Who do you play? Southgate was quite happy dropping all three of our most creative talents because it fit the team we were against.
I tell you what. I can't wait for that handbrake being taken off and unleashing our talent!
Southgate has got it bob on for me so far.
That's the thing I like about this England group and Southgate, it's refreshing to see him pick a TEAM and not shoe horning players in based on individual ability like all previous managers, Gerrard and Lampard didn't fit together, Southgate wouldn't have picked them together. I don't know why people are screaming for individuals to start based on their name and how they perform at club level.

Do those people whining and criticising not remember Scholes at left midfield? and constant failure with Lampard and Gerrard? they are whining for something that has proven doesn't work.

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by KRBFC » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:57 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:24 pm
just as ridiculous as CC starting a thread about it to try and incorrectly point prove - let's have it right, so far we've won nothing under Southgate, so for me the positives and negatives pretty much cancel themselves out. I really don't enjoy his negativity in a lot of games and have been reasonably vocal about it, but I've added that I'd love him to prove me completely wrong, win the Euro's and then the World Cup etc etc

I'm always up for a debate, petty point scoring is abject pissery and just reflects badly imho
Win the Euros and then the World Cup? No wonder you hate Southgate and you're disappointed, that's incredibly high unrealistic expectation.

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by BenWickes » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:02 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:55 pm
That's the thing I like about this England group and Southgate, it's refreshing to see him pick a TEAM and not shoe horning players in based on individual ability like all previous managers, Gerrard and Lampard didn't fit together, Southgate wouldn't have picked them together. I don't know why people are screaming for individuals to start based on their name and how they perform at club level.

Do those people whining and criticising not remember Scholes at left midfield? and constant failure with Lampard and Gerrard? they are whining for something that has proven doesn't work.
Careful KRBFC. You're in danger of agreeing with me :D

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:17 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:57 pm
Win the Euros and then the World Cup? No wonder you hate Southgate and you're disappointed, that's incredibly high unrealistic expectation.
you accuse of others of being 5 years old and 10 minutes later say I hate Southgate, well done on being extraordinarily hypocritical

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by tiger76 » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:35 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:57 pm
Win the Euros and then the World Cup? No wonder you hate Southgate and you're disappointed, that's incredibly high unrealistic expectation.
The WC I agree with you on, especially given the next one is taking place in Qatar, however GS and England now have a golden opportunity to lift the Euro's, get through the quarter-final, which all things being equal we should, then we'll be in the last 4 and be playing at Wembley, so I honestly can't see a better chance to win a major trophy for England then this one.

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Re: Today's Games

Post by tiger76 » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:38 pm

Sweden enjoying the better of the 2nd half, and that Forsberg looks a player, get him signed Sean. :)

However ET looms large still 1-1 in the dying minutes.

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Re: Today's Games

Post by yTib » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:41 pm

the ref in this sweden v ukraine game is one of those divs who you just know has an agent.

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by yTib » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:42 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:55 pm


Do those people whining and criticising not remember Scholes at left midfield? and constant failure with Lampard and Gerrard? they are whining for something that has proven doesn't work.
whine is all you ever do.

why don't you calm down for a bit you hysterical brat.
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Re: Today's Games

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:42 pm

I suspect we might be going all the way to pens again

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Re: Today's Games

Post by Zom Zom » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:43 pm

As a club before country girl I don’t get over excited about England. That said, the scenes of celebrations immediately after the goals was a joy to see.

I’ve missed crowd interaction more than anything else in every game I’ve watched, and that sudden release of raw emotion, particularly after the Sterling goal was enough to re-ignite passion for our national team. Oddly, the delirium brought back memories of our 2-2 draw at Walsall in 91/92! ?. Lol :lol:

Superb. Roll on Saturday!
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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:48 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
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I couldn't believe the interviewer asking about that, what a prick he was.
Well handled by Southgate though.
The press are pricks.

But Southgate as ever answered it impeccably.
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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:48 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:35 pm
The WC I agree with you on, especially given the next one is taking place in Qatar, however GS and England now have a golden opportunity to lift the Euro's, get through the quarter-final, which all things being equal we should, then we'll be in the last 4 and be playing at Wembley, so I honestly can't see a better chance to win a major trophy for England then this one.
yeah but KRBFC seems to think that the current England team is all down to Southgate and that tactically he is masterful (time will tell) - so if he's that good we should surely be challenging to win the World Cup given the investment levels the FA have made over the last few decades ?!!!!!

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Re: Today's Games

Post by yTib » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:49 pm

extra time it is. i fancy someone to nick it as they both seem tired.

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Re: Today's Games

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:49 pm

Extra time is good for England here.
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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:49 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
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The press are pricks.

But Southgate as ever answered it impeccably.
absolute masterclass, I've never once had an issue with him as a bloke
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Re: Today's Games

Post by tiger76 » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:50 pm

ET ideal for England whatever happens now.

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:51 pm

bf2k wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:10 pm
Yes just one game.

The majority of the games he’s been in charge of have been so underwhelming. This is the best group of players I’ve seen in an England squad he should be reaching semi-finals and beating a very poor German side.
You honestly think this team are better individually than Lampard. Gerrard. Rooney. Owen. Scholes. Beckham. Terry. Cole. Ferdinand. Cole. Neville.Etc.

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Re: SOUTHGATE OUT!

Post by Stayingup » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:51 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:23 pm
On paper, that England squad was probably our best ever. If football was like Top Trumps, we would’ve won something during that period.

Unfortunately, the opposition at the time proved themselves to be better.
Better in fact much better than todays opposition.

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