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Re: Pickford

Post by joey13 » Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:20 pm

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Thankyou.
I have never at any time said that I "hate" England. As you are stalking me why don't you go back through all my posts and find evidence to back up your comment.
As for the game I thought I'd give it a go.
If you followed the match thread you would see that I posted that I do find watching England uncomfortable.
I don't enjoy the games particularly, and I don't much care for our style of play, though i have to say that the 2nd half last night was a vast improvement.
Apologies if you think I was stalking

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Re: Pickford

Post by KRBFC » Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:22 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:58 pm
He certainly made a regulation tip over the bar look far more spectacular than it needed to be.
He barely saw it and it was coming fast, very good save.
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Re: Pickford

Post by aggi » Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:36 pm

claretandy wrote:
Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:10 am
Must admit that Pickfords distribution has been excellent, he hasn't had much to do though.
And that's why Pickford is the better keeper for England.

He might not be as good at taking crosses or shot stopping but that might only be an issue every five or ten games. On the other hand he needs to distribute the ball well multiple times every match. He's the keeper who suits the style of play.

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Re: Pickford

Post by AlargeClaret » Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:11 pm

He’s had very little to do tbh , though he’s been sharp and good distribution as he always does . As for him being “ incredible /immense / superb “ are these the same posters who to a man appear to give him terrible stick almost on a weekly basis ? You know the same “keeper coaches”who thought Hart was finished at 28 and Pope “ way better than Pickford “?? ( though Pope’s a cracker )

I’ve always been impressed with since watching this almost insanely fast and agile 13/14 yr old training at Carlisle ( with some Sunderland academy lads ) who would spray it about very long with his sidewinder kick . For me he’s a tad headstrong but in the words of a certain. Manuel Neur “ I can only say positive things about Pickford “

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Re: Pickford

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:42 pm

joey13 wrote:
Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:20 pm
Apologies if you think I was stalking
Think nothing of it, Joey, I was only having a bit of a laugh
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Re: Pickford

Post by joey13 » Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:16 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:42 pm
Think nothing of it, Joey, I was only having a bit of a laugh
Ok no worries, have a good one Bill
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Re: Pickford

Post by RVclaret » Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:39 pm

Been excellent so far probably England’s player of the tournament.

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Re: Pickford

Post by claretandy » Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:15 pm

aggi wrote:
Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:36 pm
And that's why Pickford is the better keeper for England.

He might not be as good at taking crosses or shot stopping but that might only be an issue every five or ten games. On the other hand he needs to distribute the ball well multiple times every match. He's the keeper who suits the style of play.
Lets hope we don't come under the cosh then.

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Re: Pickford

Post by tiger76 » Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:31 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:39 pm
Been excellent so far probably England’s player of the tournament.
He's been good I'll grant you that, but England's player of the tournament has to be Sterling surely, he's been the one who's provided a constant attacking threat, and without his goals, running in behind, and his willingness to take on defenders we'd have been an even more impotent attacking force then we already are, fortunately our rock solid defence has ensured we haven't needed to be breath-taking in the forward areas, and in that JP has certainly played his part.

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Re: Pickford

Post by Millertime v1.7 » Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:44 pm

Good keeper but a really annoying chavvy stereotype. He'd be on a council estate acting the big man if he didn't have good reflexes

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Re: Pickford

Post by Papabendi » Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:58 pm

Millertime v1.7 wrote:
Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:44 pm
Good keeper but a really annoying chavvy stereotype. He'd be on a council estate acting the big man if he didn't have good reflexes
well he does have good reflexes, so it is irrelevant. Just like I'd be in a wheelchair if I didnt have two legs.

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Re: Pickford

Post by warksclaret » Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:14 pm

If he played for us, he would be adored. He has been exceptional for England in just about every game he has played. Nick getting injured was a blessing for Southgate, not that he doubted Pickford. All Nick can do is get back to fitness, get back his his old form, and he will be back in the England squad

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Re: Pickford

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:19 pm

Pickford seems to have toned up his body and worked hard at the psychological side of the game.
That has to be applauded because it shows he’s reacted well to advice and I think it deserves reward.
He has all England fans on board at the moment and I hope it stays that way.

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Re: Pickford

Post by IanMcL » Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:05 pm

He played well the other night.

Let's hope he doesn't get over confident and start flapping for the impossible crosses.

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Re: Pickford

Post by Targetman » Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:32 pm

aggi wrote:
Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:36 pm
And that's why Pickford is the better keeper for England.

He might not be as good at taking crosses or shot stopping but that might only be an issue every five or ten games. On the other hand he needs to distribute the ball well multiple times every match. He's the keeper who suits the style of play.
If I'm honest I've never rated Pickford as one of the better England goalkeepers, mainly because he does make mistakes, though admittedly more for Everton than for England.

His distribution of the ball is his main attribute. Having said that, I was at England's first group game against Croatia where some of his kicking was very poor. Quite a number of fans around where we were sitting were talking about this more and more as the game went on.

I have watched closely his distribution since then and despite what some people are saying on here it hasn't always been the best. On the whole it has been good but there have been moments in a few of the games where he could have put us in trouble.

He has made some excellent saves in 2 or 3 of the games where he has just had a split second to react and has certainly risen to the occasion. He does sometimes kick the ball much too hard and it either ends up with the opposition keeper or out for a throw in.

I just find it a little ironic that when Nick Pope played those 3 games for England before getting injured the tv commentators always seemed to be highlighting his distribution even when he was doing ok with it.

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Re: Pickford

Post by Targetman » Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:22 pm

Got away with another sliced clearance against Ukraine.
In that sort of position he just needs to put his foot through the ball and not try to do anything clever.

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Re: Pickford

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:25 pm

Desperate

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Re: Pickford

Post by Zlatan » Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:29 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:25 pm
Desperate
In what way? If it was Pope that did that you along with all the media would be crucifying him for weeks going on about his weakness using his feet

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Re: Pickford

Post by Terrier » Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:29 pm

Anyone can make a mistake, the worry for me was how he reacted after the mistake, he seemed to have a wobble for quite
A while.
Good that he sets his standards high but as the co- commentator
Said he needs to get on with the game!

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Re: Pickford

Post by taio » Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:36 pm

Pickford has been very good this tournament and has fully justified his starting place. He’s made some good saves, is excellent with his feet and has the confidence of the defenders in front of him. Credit to both Pickford and Southgate.

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Re: Pickford

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:37 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:29 pm
In what way? If it was Pope that did that you along with all the media would be crucifying him for weeks going on about his weakness using his feet
Give it a rest

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Re: Pickford

Post by Chobulous » Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:39 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:29 pm
In what way? If it was Pope that did that you along with all the media would be crucifying him for weeks going on about his weakness using his feet
Don’t feed the troll
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Re: Pickford

Post by Zlatan » Sun Jul 04, 2021 2:11 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:37 pm
Give it a rest
Answer why it is desperate, you can’t can you as it doesn’t fit your agenda

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Re: Pickford

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Jul 04, 2021 2:23 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Jul 04, 2021 2:11 pm
Answer why it is desperate, you can’t can you as it doesn’t fit your agenda
People on here have been obsessed with Pickford for a couple of years because he is in competition with our own player. It is not me who has an agenda but people like you who are so clouded in your view that you dont judge what they do equally.

Pickford hasn't conceded a goal, made some great saves and has been excellent with his feet which has been a big part of the way we play. I therefore think for someone (who admittedly doesn't rate Pickford) to watch last nights match, and cling on to one bad clearance to have a go at him is desperate.
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Re: Pickford

Post by Zero » Sun Jul 04, 2021 4:26 pm

There were three or four poor clearances by Pickford last night. Not just the one. It happens every game.

To be fair he has had little to do so far, but he is an excellent sweeper.

There does seem to be an over reaction by the media with Pope's distribution (granted it is sometimes wayward), but little or no reaction when a Pickford clearance bypasses any England shirt.

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Re: Pickford

Post by Garnerssoap » Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:37 am

He always looks like a man on the verge of a nervous breakdown to me.
Although popey looked a bag of nerves in that friendly
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Re: Pickford

Post by Milltown1882 » Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:29 am

Would Burnley fans be this anti-Pickford if Pope was West Ham’s keeper?

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Re: Pickford

Post by SouthLondonexile » Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:47 am

He has exceeded all expectations, or maybe it’s because something is not right at Everton.
I would have played Pope from the start had he been fit.
Pickford has been immense but then so has the England team.

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Re: Pickford

Post by superdimitri » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:18 am

He's stepped up when needed but I wouldn't say he's kept us in games quite the same way as Pope or Heaton have done for us before but he hasn't needed too.

What I like about him is his passion and aggression. Really gives the defence a kick in the butt if we're on the back foot. His distribution apart from the last game has been top notch.

His confidence will be high and that's only going to help him more. He could go down as one of the greatest if England win.

But yet he hasn't had a whole lot to do.

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Re: Pickford

Post by Targetman » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:54 am

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:29 am
Would Burnley fans be this anti-Pickford if Pope was West Ham’s keeper?

Pickford makes mistakes, thats why Everton were alternating goalkeepers at one stage of last season.

Some Burnley fans have been pointing this out, just like they point out on here that Nick Pope sometimes struggles with his kicking.

It's not just Burnley fans who have been mentioning Pickford's occasional mistakes, several TV pundits have been saying over the past 12 months that perhaps Pope should be given the chance to be England's regular no.1.

They haven't been saying that because he is Burnley's keeper, those same people would still be saying the same thing if he was West Ham's keeper.
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Re: Pickford

Post by NottsClaret » Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:01 am

Pickford's been really good, I'm surprised at how well he's done. But his slightly manic reaction to a bodged clearance in the last game was a bit worrying. Reminded me a bit of Joe Hart when he used to get too wound up before an England game.

He needs to chill out, he's doing well.

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Re: Pickford

Post by Steve1956 » Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:25 am

Garnerssoap wrote:
Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:37 am
He always looks like a man on the verge of a nervous breakdown to me.
Although popey looked a bag of nerves in that friendly
He's due dropping a bollock,watch this space.☺

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Re: Pickford

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:29 am

Targetman wrote:
Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:54 am
Pickford makes mistakes, thats why Everton were alternating goalkeepers at one stage of last season.

Some Burnley fans have been pointing this out, just like they point out on here that Nick Pope sometimes struggles with his kicking.

It's not just Burnley fans who have been mentioning Pickford's occasional mistakes, several TV pundits have been saying over the past 12 months that perhaps Pope should be given the chance to be England's regular no.1.

They haven't been saying that because he is Burnley's keeper, those same people would still be saying the same thing if he was West Ham's keeper.
It is interesting though given that Pope and Pickford have both made the same amount of mistakes that have lead to goals over the last 12 months. I think very few people would be calling for any keeper to replace pickford if he didn’t play for us.

Has never let England down

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Re: Pickford

Post by SalisburyClaret » Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:42 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:29 am
It is interesting though given that Pope and Pickford have both made the same amount of mistakes that have lead to goals over the last 12 months. I think very few people would be calling for any keeper to replace pickford if he didn’t play for us.

Has never let England down
Where did you find that stat? Pickford made more errors than Pope last season and tops the list of goalkeeping mistakes over the past 5 seasons

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Re: Pickford

Post by aggi » Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:18 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:42 am
Where did you find that stat? Pickford made more errors than Pope last season and tops the list of goalkeeping mistakes over the past 5 seasons
Pickford and Pope both on 2
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top ... ad_to_goal

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Re: Pickford

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Re: Pickford

Post by The Enclosure » Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:31 pm

Talking to a keen Everton fan yesterday who said Pickford is a different player for England to when he plays for Everton.

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Re: Pickford

Post by willsclarets » Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:31 pm

I'm not Pickford's biggest fan, but it's pretty obvious he's played magnificently so far. He had one moment of madness against Ukraine, and that's it. I always feel slightly uneasy about him in big moments, but credit where it's due he's made some really important saves. He just needs to maintain his cool, if he does we have the best man for the job between the sticks.

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Re: Pickford

Post by MACCA » Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:26 pm

The Enclosure wrote:
Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:31 pm
Talking to a keen Everton fan yesterday who said Pickford is a different player for England to when he plays for Everton.
Possibly the result of having the countries best 2 central defenders infront of him.

Everton were all at sea last season, defensively shakey, and like us and Fulham showed, they were extreamely poor at home, which isnt usually like them.

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Re: Pickford

Post by Zlatan » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:16 pm

May be great with his feet… but what the hell was that!

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Re: Pickford

Post by tarkys_ears » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:17 pm

Pickford gonna Pickford.

He's gonna cost us at some point
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Re: Pickford

Post by BurnleyFC » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:31 pm

Great free kick but it was nowhere near the top corner.

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Re: Pickford

Post by KRBFC » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:43 pm

Moved all over the place, with that weird knuckleball technique. Great strike, Pickford had a couple of nervy moments distribution wise however

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Re: Pickford

Post by joey13 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:47 pm

Had a nightmare so far

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Re: Pickford

Post by joey13 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:47 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:43 pm
Moved all over the place, with that weird knuckleball technique. Great strike, Pickford had a couple of nervy moments distribution wise however
He’s not tall enough

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Re: Pickford

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:48 pm

He’s been due a brain fart or two. Let’s hope he has now got it out of his system.

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Re: Pickford

Post by elwaclaret » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:48 pm

My first thought when that Denmark goal went in… Popey would’ve saved that.

Just a few signs that Pickford is losing his cool as the pressure builds. He’s done well but the cracks are appearing.

Did well to come back as we did.
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Re: Pickford

Post by Zlatan » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:48 pm

He looks on edge. Best thing Southgate can do is try to calm him a little… how though I don’t know. I know I’ve been a critic, but he’s been superb all this tournament and it would be a shame to be remembered for screw ups tonight

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Re: Pickford

Post by claretandy » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:49 pm

Pope saves it.

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Re: Pickford

Post by DCWat » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:50 pm

claretandy wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:49 pm
Pope saves it.
Definitely

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