Capacity V Brighton

[TheFamilyCat]

Generalising and attacking 'young people' only.

I'm not attacking anyone (I see you've backed away from your claim i was "blaming" somebody now).

I responded to a post about young people. And there was no attack, just an observation.

If you want me to apply my observation more generally; it's interesting that anyone who abuses their body with drink, drugs, terrible diet or anything else should be worried about the long term health risk of a vaccine.

[martin_p]

BINGO! There we have it, let’s blame young people who have had their lives taken away from them for the past 18 months to protect those around them for now doing what the Government has now said they can do! Hilarious!

Let’s get this straight, we’ve all had our lives taken away from us in the last 18 months and the reason we’re starting to get it back is that 87% of the adult population have been vaccinated.

[Bosscat]

Don't you just love this board... turning a thread about football into yet another argumentfest about covid and vaccination etc .... ah well que sera sera

[martin_p]

Don't you just love this board... turning a thread about football into yet another argumentfest about covid and vaccination etc .... ah well que sera sera

This thread is about the capacity v Brighton. How is that not about COVID?

Besides, it’s been a reasonably polite discussion so far.

[gandhisflipflop]

Around 60% less likely to spread it around, if double vaccinated, but yes, you can still spread it
but a lot less likely to.
Anyhow It wasn't a point, I was asking you a question.
In fact, I asked you several questions. None of which you have answered.

Pray tell, do you know what these complications are that 2 people at work have? - I know of one who has blood clots.

Are P.H.E. aware of this? - I am unsure.

Do you know which variant you had? - No, the PCR tests don't tell you these things.

Does that mean you won't catch a different variant? - Possibly, but the likelihood of it being less severe is greater than the likelihood of me dying from it so i am willing to take that chance.

Are you bothered if you have covid, but feel perfectly fine and
so don't mind spreading it around? - As explained, you spread it whether vaccinated or not, and if you are vaccinated what is the problem?

[RVclaret]

I'm not attacking anyone (I see you've backed away from your claim i was "blaming" somebody now).

I responded to a post about young people. And there was no attack, just an observation.

If you want me to apply my observation more generally; it's interesting that anyone who abuses their body with drink, drugs, terrible diet or anything else should be worried about the long term health risk of a vaccine.

Agree with that!

[cricketfieldclarets]

Again (and I’ll keep banging on about this until people get it) being vaccinated isn’t just about personal risk, it’s about everyone’s risk. If you aren’t vaccinated you’re more likely to get it and more likely to pass it on. Me being vaccinated mitigates the risk of me getting it and and passing it on to a good extent but that risk would be reduced even more (for everyone) if all those I came into contact with were also vaccinated.

I know. But I am saying why I wouldnt have it if i didnt have kids. Because I personally wouldnt have been comfortable with my personal risk of taking the vaccine vs contracting the virus.

Selfish perhaps, I know. But honest.

As it happens I have had one and soon to have second. So it doesnt really matter. But explaining why I can understand why people wouldnt take it. As its not as black and white as people at both extremes of pro vax and anti vax seem to think. As with anything.

[Spijed]

Breaking news via BBC:

Sporting crowds of 20k+ expected to require Covid passports from September.

[2 Bee Holed]

Pray tell, do you know what these complications are that 2 people at work have? - I know of one who has blood clots.
- As explained, you spread it whether vaccinated or not, and if you are vaccinated what is the problem?

I don't know how old you are... But I believe all under 40s are getting the Pfizer jab.
But even with astra zenca the chances of a blood clot were 0.00087%. the chances of 2 people in the same work place.....well I wish I'd put £1 on it.

There isn't a problem. You are just far less likely to spread it. I just think we all have a duty to do what we can to reduce the spread of this desease.
Thanks for answering my questions.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Breaking news via BBC:

Sporting crowds of 20k+ expected to require Covid passports from September.

We will be reyt some weeks and others not then

[Spijed]

The good thing is that if you don't want to use or don't have a mobile phone then it's very easy to get a paper copy of a covid certificate/passport

[mealdeal]

Breaking news via BBC:

Sporting crowds of 20k+ expected to require Covid passports from September.

And so the drip drip drip starts. How long until you need to permanently carry 'your papers' in case a copper needs to inspect them to ensure you are in an allowable location. Be careful what you wish for because its a slippery slippery slope. And don't anyone try and say it won't come to that, because 2 years ago, who would have thought it would come to this.

[RVclaret]

It makes no sense. If by the time September comes around, you’d expect the 86% of adults vaccinated number to be higher, say 90% to be super conservative. What is the issue with the other 10% having to provide either 1. Proof they’ve had COVID therefore have antibodies 2. Negative test 24 hours prior?

[Lancasterclaret]

The good thing is that if you don't want to use or don't have a mobile phone then it's very easy to get a paper copy of a covid certificate/passport

There is nothing good about this at all mate

[TheFamilyCat]

And so the drip drip drip starts. How long until you need to permanently carry 'your papers' in case a copper needs to inspect them to ensure you are in an allowable location. Be careful what you wish for because its a slippery slippery slope. And don't anyone try and say it won't come to that, because 2 years ago, who would have thought it would come to this.

Don't worry, there'll never be enough coppers to be doing that.

[dsr]

I'm inclined to stay non-league next season. £65 season ticket for Colne, and away games so much nearer to home. No masks, no restrictions on time of arrival, and less chance of catching anything.

[Inchy]

I'm inclined to stay non-league next season. £65 season ticket for Colne, and away games so much nearer to home. No masks, no restrictions on time of arrival, and less chance of catching anything.

But on the negative side its pub football

[Lancasterclaret]

Don't worry, there'll never be enough coppers to be doing that.

Not under this lot, but another lot?

This sounds like a Priti Patel wet dream

[mealdeal]

Don't worry, there'll never be enough coppers to be doing that.

There won't need to be, they will have the voluntary Inoffizielle Mitarbeiter, reporting back illegal movements.

Being able to attend football isn't a price worth paying - this unwelcome government control over peoples lives needs the biggest reaction we've ever seen, but too many people don't see the path we are heading down. They've already proven that people will just blithely fall into line when the government needs to act to 'keep you safe', this is the beginning of the end.

[Lancasterclaret]

Got to admit, (and I apologise for being a bit political)but this when added to the current bill on restrictions for protest looks really bad

[TheFamilyCat]

I'm inclined to stay non-league next season. £65 season ticket for Colne, and away games so much nearer to home. No masks, no restrictions on time of arrival, and less chance of catching anything.

There's always a chance of catching something in Colne.

[mealdeal]

Anyone who thinks this kind of thing will just be for night clubs or mass indoor gatherings, isn't paying attention. It'll be pubs, shopping centres, school plays and it won't stop until every fragment of your life is tracked and controlled, from finance to movement. Step out of line and your 'passport' will be removed, rendering you unable to function properly in society. It needs stopping now at the outset, not worked around or adhered to.

[Inchy]

Anyone who thinks this kind of thing will just be for night clubs or mass indoor gatherings, isn't paying attention. It'll be pubs, shopping centres, school plays and it won't stop until every fragment of your life is tracked and controlled, from finance to movement. Step out of line and your 'passport' will be removed, rendering you unable to function properly in society. It needs stopping now at the outset, not worked around or adhered to.

I think you have been watching too much black mirror

[jrgbfc]

But on the negative side its pub football

But on the plus side you can stand on a terrace and have a pint, and see a competitive game of football every week with no play acting or VAR.

[Spijed]

More on the story:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/57905459

[Grumps]

Anyone who thinks this kind of thing will just be for night clubs or mass indoor gatherings, isn't paying attention. It'll be pubs, shopping centres, school plays and it won't stop until every fragment of your life is tracked and controlled, from finance to movement. Step out of line and your 'passport' will be removed, rendering you unable to function properly in society. It needs stopping now at the outset, not worked around or adhered to.

I'd stay off Facebook if I was you

[ksrclaret]

Got to admit, (and I apologise for being a bit political)but this when added to the current bill on restrictions for protest looks really bad

Add in the article I've just read concerning journalists facing prison sentences for "embarrassing the government".

It's going to be a long and unpleasant road.

[quoonbeatz]

There's some strong tin foil hat stuff on this thread.

You should absolutely have to provide either proof of vaccination or a negative test result to get into crowded event for the foreseeable future. Obviously medical exemptions should apply.

Vaccine passports without the option of a negative test absolutely should not happen and I expect will be opposed by everyone.

It's about public health, protecting each other, reducing the risk of vaccine-evading variants and getting us back to some semblance of normal as soon as possible. At the moment, there's a lot of people wazzing on about freedom who are the ones doing the most to keep restrictions on freedom a necessity.

[fatboy47]

I think you have been watching too much black mirror

Go take a look at government strategy statements over the last 18 months Inchy.

Lots of stuff happening now that we were assured wouldn't be on the agenda. Everyone with a brain accepts that Johnson is a mendacious privileged clown with absolutely no moral compass..but you know what? Nobody cares anymore... He's got people so petrified of these scary variants that they'd stay at home 24/7 wearing dalek outfits if JVT advised it.
I live on a remote rugged coast here, and every day now I see some poor old dears strolling the wild cliffs with nobody in sight for miles, masked up like something out of a Star Trek episode. It's pitiful.

[ksrclaret]

Go take a look at government strategy statements over the last 18 months Inchy.

Lots of stuff happening now that we were assured wouldn't be on the agenda. Everyone with a brain accepts that Johnson is a mendacious privileged clown with absolutely no moral compass..but you know what? Nobody cares anymore... He's got people so petrified of these scary variants that they'd stay at home 24/7 wearing dalek outfits if JVT advised it.
I live on a remote rugged coast here, and every day now I see some poor old dears strolling the wild cliffs with nobody in sight for miles, masked up like something out of a Star Trek episode. It's pitiful.

For a nation so concerned about mental health for the last decade (rightly), nobody seems in the slightest bit arsed that the government have openly admitted to using tactics that have increased our fear and anxiety to ensure maximum compliance. It's a small price to pay to keep us safe, they say, it was only done for our own good. Hmmm, what can go wrong?

[Dark Cloud]

So should I dust off me scarf and lucky pants ready for Brighton at home....or not??

[Murger]

I think you have been watching too much black mirror

If you think it's all a bit far fetched then you really haven't been paying attention.

[gandhisflipflop]

Got to admit, (and I apologise for being a bit political)but this when added to the current bill on restrictions for protest looks really bad

Not often I agree politically on what you say LC but I fully agree with this.

[Spijed]

So should I dust off me scarf and lucky pants ready for Brighton at home....or not??

"Fans attending sports venues with capacities of about 20,000 or more may be required to show proof of full vaccination from the end of September, under plans being considered by the government."

[Murger]

[*] hi

There's some strong tin foil hat stuff on this thread.

You should absolutely have to provide either proof of vaccination or a negative test result to get into crowded event for the foreseeable future. Obviously medical exemptions should apply.

Vaccine passports without the option of a negative test absolutely should not happen and I expect will be opposed by everyone.

It's about public health, protecting each other, reducing the risk of vaccine-evading variants and getting us back to some semblance of normal as soon as possible. At the moment, there's a lot of people wazzing on about freedom who are the ones doing the most to keep restrictions on freedom a necessity.

Wrong. If people still don't feel safe after being double jabbed, then they should stay at home. Why should people have their freedoms curtailed for a virus that has a 99% survival rate?
I read that it's the unvaccinated that are the selfish ones, but those happy to go along with whatever the government says are the real danger.

[claret2018]

About 21 thousand I reckon

[Murger]

"Fans attending sports venues with capacities of about 20,000 or more may be required to show proof of full vaccination from the end of September, under plans being considered by the government."

Like dsr, I'll just stick to watching Barlick Town next in the coming season.

[claret2018]

It looks like Premier League grounds will be free from anti-vax types then next season. Win-win!

[Inchy]

If you think it's all a bit far fetched then you really haven't been paying attention.

To be fair they got the pig f*cking one right

[Murger]

It looks like Premier League grounds will be free from anti-vax types then next season. Win-win!

I'm vaxxed and I won't be playing along.

[Inchy]

There is some real negativity on this thread about vaccine long term events.

I’ve watched enough Marvel films to know that the side effects could also be amazing

[Murger]

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If all these measures are about controlling a virus, then why are the commons exempt? Are they all immune?

[Targetman]

Like dsr, I'll just stick to watching Barlick Town next in the coming season.

Do you hide under the stairs when there is a thunderstorm?

[claret2018]

I'm vaxxed and I won't be playing along.

In all seriousness that’s your loss. I don’t trust this govt one bit, but can understand why they’re considering such measures, partly because of the mess we’re in which was down to them

[martin_p]

Go take a look at government strategy statements over the last 18 months Inchy.

Lots of stuff happening now that we were assured wouldn't be on the agenda. Everyone with a brain accepts that Johnson is a mendacious privileged clown with absolutely no moral compass..but you know what? Nobody cares anymore... He's got people so petrified of these scary variants that they'd stay at home 24/7 wearing dalek outfits if JVT advised it.
I live on a remote rugged coast here, and every day now I see some poor old dears strolling the wild cliffs with nobody in sight for miles, masked up like something out of a Star Trek episode. It's pitiful.

Much as I intensely dislike Johnson and his government the world is a very different place to that of 18 months ago.

[Murger]

Do you hide under the stairs when there is a thunderstorm?

Do you like being told you can only certain places if you produce XY or Z? If there's any bedwetters here, it ain't me.

[Inchy]

Do you like being told you can only certain places if you produce XY or Z? If there's any bedwetters here, it ain't me.

I’ve been double jabbed because I believe in it, and worked throughout this pandemic at the coal face.

If there are too many rules at the turf I won’t be going on. Not because I don’t believe the rules are needed, il take the advise given by the scientists (not the politicians), but even if the rules are reasonable if it takes the enjoyment away from going I won’t bother. I have other hobbies which will no doubt have less restrictions

[cricketfieldclarets]

And so the drip drip drip starts. How long until you need to permanently carry 'your papers' in case a copper needs to inspect them to ensure you are in an allowable location. Be careful what you wish for because its a slippery slippery slope. And don't anyone try and say it won't come to that, because 2 years ago, who would have thought it would come to this.

Spot on

[NottsClaret]

Not that it matters to me, I'm all double 5G'd up with my implants, but I wonder if we could just set the capacity at 19,999 and not bother with the hassle of vaccination passports?

How many times do we get more than that anyway, a couple of times a season?

[Murger]

I’ve been doubled jabbed because I believe in it, and worked throughout this pandemic at the coal face.

If there are too many rules at the turf I won’t be going on. Not because I don’t believe the rules are needed, il take the advise given by the scientists (not the politicians), but even if the rules are reasonable if it takes the enjoyment away from going I won’t bother. I have other hobbies which will no doubt have less restrictions

I get that. But I no longer believe this is about controlling the virus. I mean there's the screenshot I posted above and an article I've just read about them looking at jailing journalists if they embarrass the government. This has all gone very grim, very quickly.