Barnes ahead of Vydra? Pace on counter attack? Down to Dyche today

It's our plan B.
Boot it into the goalkeepers hands.

claretcarrot93 wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:53 pm

Barnes ahead of Vydra? Pace on counter attack? Down to Dyche today

Same old

I just can’t comprehend Barnes over Vydra

Barnes no where near good enough for PL for 12 months plus, forget a winger we desperately need a striker

Barnes is finished at this level and has been for some time unfortunately

To give Vyds seven minutes was awful.

Rodriguez Barnes and Cork are all shite

Would it have made a real difference? We would have played the same way.

Bringing Brownhill on for McNeil spoke bigger volumes for me.

We need 5 more players in minimum. It's become predictable and stale

Vydra has obviously done something wrong again. Maybe having the nerve to be late back for pre-season has irked Dyche. Either way, the managers inability to change a game has cost us today.

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:56 pm

Barnes is finished at this level and has been for some time unfortunately

Along with Rodriguez for some time

We’re crying out for something in central midfield. That was an awful second half that Dyche didn’t react to (we’ve said that before).

If a winger is the sum of the rest of our recruitment, it’s going to be a bloody long season.

Whoosh.Bored of it now.Same awful tactics week after week,no improvement in 1st team year after year.But your not allowed to be critical on here or the Dortmund fan will ban you

Said it for years, got to be pro active not reactive.

Our sub made us weaker, theirs won them the game.
You didn't need to be a football coach to see exactly what was going to happen, we were lacking ideas and tiring.
Just like Newcastle they executed their plan to a tee, but for a sloppy early goal they gave away.

They were much the better side in probably all departments.
Setting up to nick a goal and win 1 nil can only get you so far in this league.

Did anyone seriously expect us to defend for 93 minutes?

The manager absolutely lost us that game. The Barnes sub in particular was absolutely criminal

I know Dyche is loyal but
Barnes … jayrod…. Cork….Lowton….are def 4 that need replacing.

Don't think our subs made us lose the game though. We lost because we defended awfully and didn't get a 2nd goal when on top in the 1st half. Our inability to keep the ball and then just sit in and try to ride out the storm will continue to halt our progress. Our manager likes this system but we are not able to keep the ball enough or control the tempo of a game. Even half decent Prem sides, like Brighton, will eventually push us back and punish us because they can keep the ball better.

Sean's Achilles, use of subs, lost us the game

You could lock this thread and reopen it after the next defeat and the same comments will ring true. It’s like Groundhog Day and I’m bored of it.

there's an argument for saying Barnes should have been finished for an off the field incident last year, but that seems to have been swept under the carpet.

It is interesting looking at the swell in our wage bill, how much you can assign to talent, and how much Dyche loyalty.

Blyclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:12 pm

I know Dyche is loyal but
Barnes … jayrod…. Cork….Lowton….are def 4 that need replacing.

We need 5 players

Baffling decision to bring Barnes on

fanzone wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:17 pm

We need 5 players

Not a cat in hells chance.

I’m expecting one but we certainly need more - a minimum of three (and Lennon isn’t in that number).

Enough rubbish....

Ashley Barnes signed an extension to his contract to the end of the 2022 playing season saying he wanted to see out his playing days at Turf Moor.

I am sure Ashley will be here for a while yet given how Dyche is loyal to his core group.

It’s 2021. We simply shouldn’t be bringing on Barnes as the first change. Tired, old team - I’m not convinced that most of the them won’t continue getting contract extensions until they’re pushing 40.

I thought we played well for the first 70 minutes and we should of finished them off . In saying that , i know i said it most of last season , but when the opposition starts to dominant the midfield why don't we switch to 4-5-1 or at least try something different ?

Barnes can’t play again. He offers nothing at all

Put simply when we were awful we got punished. When they were awful we didn't punish them and they were awful for a lot longer than we were.

kentonclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:22 pm

Ashley Barnes signed an extension to his contract to the end of the 2022 playing season saying he wanted to see out his playing days at Turf Moor.

I am sure Ashley will be here for a while yet given how Dyche is loyal to his core group.

He needs moving on this summer, whether his contact is up or not.

DCWat wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:59 pm

We’re crying out for something in central midfield. That was an awful second half that Dyche didn’t react to (we’ve said that before).

If a winger is the sum of the rest of our recruitment, it’s going to be a bloody long season.

Total agreement DC midfield is where we are sadly lacking. New central midfielder with a bit of pace is badly required. They just upped the pace second half and we couldn’t handle it. Unless we buy a good un in there it’s going to be a very long season.
Overall though today we should have been out of sight at half time but we see that so many times and end up losing.
Not all doom and gloom it was so good to see JBG looking fit and lively.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:56 pm

Rodriguez Barnes and Cork are all shite

Harsh to call them shite.....not good enough to play in the premier league more like.

Blyclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:12 pm

I know Dyche is loyal but
Barnes … jayrod…. Cork….Lowton….are def 4 that need replacing.

In all fairness,and I'm perhaps over critical of Lowton at times, I actually thought he did ok today

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:17 pm

You could lock this thread and reopen it after the next defeat and the same comments will ring true. It’s like Groundhog Day and I’m bored of it.

Newcastle was the mirror image of today. A strong 1st 60 minutes where we didn't fully capitalise, the opposition make positive forward substitutions,we don't react yet again, and we find ourselves going from 1 up to 2-1 down within the space of 5 minutes because of a complete failure to change the framework.

We never seem to learn

Barnes was clearly brought on to scrap up top, win few headers, a few free kicks and generally make the last 20 mins scrappy.

Unfortunately they equalised and went ahead within minutes and then he’s completely the wrong striker to have on the pitch when you’re chasing the game.

Agree with posters who say he’s past it. I’ve always liked Barnes, but I think we’ve reached the point where the years have caught up with him.

I too at the time when Barnes came on thought a bit more pace and trickery in Vydra was required. We really are short in so many areas. I fear another tough season looms.

Swamped in midfield and nothing on the bench to do anything about it

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:51 am

Swamped in midfield and nothing on the bench to do anything about it

Brownhill for Jay.
Far more mobile, and if anything he is the one who has been doing the interceptions and ball winning when playing in a 2, so bring him on, make it a 3 in there.

It's like we cannot move away from anything other than 442, how or why we cannot seem to react in game to the oppositions change in approach or formation puzzles me.
It happens so often to us yet, it appears we stand there after suprised and questioning how it happens, yet repeat it again and again.

It’s a bit baffling how Dyche was fairly ruthless with some players - Arfield, Ward, Vokes etc. but seemingly isn’t with some of the current group.

MACCA wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:44 am

Brownhill for Jay.
Far more mobile, and if anything he is the one who has been doing the interceptions and ball winning when playing in a 2, so bring him on, make it a 3 in there.

It's like we cannot move away from anything other than 442, how or why we cannot seem to react in game to the oppositions change in approach or formation puzzles me.
It happens so often to us yet, it appears we stand there after suprised and questioning how it happens, yet repeat it again and again.

Agree with you on the Brownhill for Jay change and go 4-5-1

SkiptonClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:24 pm

It’s 2021. We simply shouldn’t be bringing on Barnes as the first change. Tired, old team - I’m not convinced that most of the them won’t continue getting contract extensions until they’re pushing 40.

And we all know who is to blame for that.

I always expected Barnes to be on before Vydra as I understood that Vydra was later in returning to training because of his involvement in the Euros. Think SD made the wrong area to bolster as they were stronger than us in the middle of the park. Think he probably made his decision on the fact that Charlie was having success making runs down the flank. So SD wanted to push for a second goal but unfortunately they beat us to the second goal of the game. And everything changed. That’s football.

Completely down to Dyche in my opinion why we lost that game. What a surprise that Vydra is suddenly down to 4th choice striker again. Absolute joke.

When Dyche feels he has to explain to press why he made the Barnes substitution.
He knows he made a mistake. He knows that wasent the sub to make now.
Barnes never got near the pace game. ..he looked totally out of his depth.

As someone has mentioned above at 1-0 Barnes is ahead of Vydra cos he's better at breaking up the game and helping us hold what we've got. As soon as it goes 1-1 we're in trouble as we needed Vydra not Barnes to get us on the front foot

Bringing on Barnes was a mistake. That's not with the benefit of hindsight. A big reason why we got zero points.

I’m not sure I agree with that Devils_Advocate. At least Vydra keeps the opposition pinned back a bit with his movement. As soon as it’s Wood and Barnes on the opposition know there is very little to worry about in terms of us pressing forward.

Its not what I would do but Dyche would never bring Vydra on when leading as he sees him as someone who might give something away. He has often brought Barnes on to hold on to a lead cos he trusts him and is a good outlet when we have our backs against the wall

Id have brought Brownhill on for one of the wingers but at 1-0 Barnes is always gonna get the nod over Vydra. Had Brighton equalized before the change I think Dyche would have brought Vydra on.

Not saying it was the right decision but just explaining it was the obvious Dyche change and not that Vydra is 4th choice

Wood is the only striker we have who is premiership quality. The other three are bit part players and should be traded in for newer models

The subs clearly didn’t help yesterday, although that’s easy to say in hindsight. What I did comment on at the time was how high Brighton’s back line had got. At times they were 10 yards into our half because they were unconcerned about our pace on the counter. I think Vydra would have been the right move at that point to pin them back. But we know that Dyche is more conservative and looks to hold what we’ve got. It works more often than not but when it doesn’t he will obviously attract criticism.

I think that Brownhill was about to replace McNeill before their second as it became obvious that McNeill was fading badly. Perhaps if that sub was made 60 seconds earlier we would have prevented that goal, but who knows.

Fine margins as Dyche says, and that is football. Some of the overreactions to the defeat seem a bit immature.