RATE THE REF - Michael Oliver v Leeds United

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:47 pm

Michael Oliver (Northumberland) v Leeds United

How to Score
A. Decision Making (including use of advantage) - out of 25
B. Consistency - out of 25
C. Fitness and Positioning - of 25
D. Control and Authority - out of 25

Please only Rate the Ref if you attended the game and only do so, after the game has ended.

Peter Loo · Post by **Peter Loo** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:30 pm

A. 15.
B. 22.
C.23.
D. 23.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:44 pm

A. 18
B. 21
C. 24
D. 20

BLH_Claret · Post by **BLH_Claret** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:47 pm

10
10
20
20

AfloatinClaret · Post by **AfloatinClaret** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:02 pm

A. 24
B. 22
C. 24
D. 24

I have him down as MOM; there's not many who wouldn't have sent at least one player off in that game.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:46 pm

Good game, certainly not to blame

jmu1 · Post by **jmu1** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:09 pm

A 20
B 21
C 23
D 22
Better than usual

Frenchclaret · Post by **Frenchclaret** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:17 pm

A 18
B 18
C 18
D 18

CaptJohn · Post by **CaptJohn** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:41 pm

Made a bad decision in not booking Phillips for that early foul on Dwight. It was a clear yellow and both sets of players saw it as a licence to dive into tackles. He then had to show lots of yellows to regain control. Poor match from one the Prems best.

A. 15
B. 10
C. 20
D. 5 As above for very low score.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:48 pm

A. 17
B. 22
C. 20
D. 20

Thought he had a fair game, but CaptJohn is right re the Phillips challenge

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:54 pm

A 17
B 20
C 23
D 21

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:57 pm

CaptJohn wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:41 pm
Made a bad decision in not booking Phillips for that early foul on Dwight. It was a clear yellow and both sets of players saw it as a licence to dive into tackles. He then had to show lots of yellows to regain control. Poor match from one the Prems best.

A. 15
B. 10
C. 20
D. 5 As above for very low score.

I thought Phillips could have seen red on another day quite easily. Some of his challenges were the kind that xhaka got sent off for yesterday

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:15 pm

10
14
20
20

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:17 pm

Wasn’t at the game so won’t mark, but I thought he had a very good game.

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:26 pm

10
15
20
15

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:28 pm

Slightly off topic, why was our 'goal' in the first half disallowed?
(I'm watching from the opposite end).

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:39 pm

10
10
10
10
Oliver is a selective ref
He selects which teams to support and which to penalise
A bad decision to disallow Ben's effort
Usual inept performance so nothing new there then
Horror challenge off Philips on Dwight merited a red card.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:50 pm

I'm not sure that was a red but certainly he put in several worth yellows and like I said above there were a couple that were reminiscent of xhaka yesterday (who I think largely was sent off on reputation although I can see the reasoning he didn't actually touch anyone and his "off the ground" was an inch or two really)

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:57 pm

I used to like Oliver when he first appeared in the Premier league.......I think he's quite poor now.

Untinted Glasses · Post by **Untinted Glasses** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:09 pm

A. 20
B. 22
C. 22
D. 23

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:33 pm

Great at box-to-box decisions but don't give him anything important to decide.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:37 pm

A 12
B 18
C 18
D 18

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:00 am

Bang average yet again imo. The most overhyped ref ever to officiate.
The early Phillips one he missed (yet booked a Burnley player for an identical tackle later on) set the tone

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:25 am

He let some bad ones go before giving a booking for a soft one, that set the standard.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:30 am

I thought he was awful the first 15 minutes, it felt like we were playing 12 men. After that he settled down and was very good imo. He let a lot go, some of the early ones when he shouldn't have, but he was even handed, and it does make the game flow better when players are left to roll around on the ground and their appeals are ignored.
It's a stepping stone to a lot brighter game.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:05 pm

10
15
20
15

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:16 pm

CaptJohn wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:41 pm
Poor match from one the Prems best.

Unless my eyes were deceiving me, Atkinson or Dean wasn't in the middle yesterday...

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:21 pm

12
12
20
12

Lost it after letting Phillips get away with one, but suppose he's the new poster boy in the national side, so needs to keep with the trend.
Typical Oliver performance IMO, was inconsistent and punishments and leniency was decided on which player was involved.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:35 pm

Juan Tanamera wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:28 pm
Slightly off topic, why was our 'goal' in the first half disallowed?
(I'm watching from the opposite end).

It was an offside call, not seen a replay back so no idea if the correct decision, but that was the reason.

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:29 pm

I thought he did a good job.

A - 20
B - 20
C - 25
D - 20

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:40 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:39 pm
10
10
10
10
Oliver is a selective ref
He selects which teams to support and which to penalise
A bad decision to disallow Ben's effort
Usual inept performance so nothing new there then
Horror challenge off Philips on Dwight merited a red card.

Some of those comments are ridiculous as are your marks. On the subject of supporting, any explanation why he didn't red card Barnes?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:48 pm

He could have been good, however, he wasn't!
He let them get away with stuff a lot and us, just a bit.
Barnes shirt was lucky it survived.
Pen when Wood grounded at corner, as ball was in the air, just.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:59 pm

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:48 pm
He could have been good, however, he wasn't!
He let them get away with stuff a lot and us, just a bit.
Barnes shirt was lucky it survived.
Pen when Wood grounded at corner, as ball was in the air, just.

I haven't seen a replay yet, but I thought the corner had been taken. I couldn't understand why he made us take it again when it was clear Wood was being flattened.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:03 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:59 pm
I haven't seen a replay yet, but I thought the corner had been taken. I couldn't understand why he made us take it again when it was clear Wood was being flattened.

That was a case when VAR could have been used.
Had the corner been taken or not? I thought probably just, but couldn't be sure. Since it was a penalty claim then surely VAR could have been checked to see if the ball was actually in play. If so - penalty. If not, then yellow card but no penalty.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:06 pm

Having seen it again, I’m amazed VAR didn’t suggest he took another look at the Barnes yellow.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:11 pm

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:48 pm

Pen when Wood grounded at corner, as ball was in the air, just.

Absolutely. If that's not a pen then nothing is.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:42 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:11 pm
Absolutely. If that's not a pen then nothing is.

He blows after the corner has been taken. Having done so he’s seen an offence so he should be giving them a free kick or us a penalty. But a corner retake is a definite no.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:48 pm

I've only seen the first half, when he refereed what I would call a championship style "foulfest". Did well to keep it (just) under control.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:58 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:42 pm
He blows after the corner has been taken. Having done so he’s seen an offence so he should be giving them a free kick or us a penalty. But a corner retake is a definite no.

He had already been talking to a couple of players who had been skirmishing and had delayed the taking of the corner. The corner could not be taken until he had blown for it to be taken, he had not done this, however, the corner was taken and he had then to stop the play.
Technically, he could have cautioned Brownhill for taking the kick and imagine the furore if that had been the case.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:05 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:58 pm
He had already been talking to a couple of players who had been skirmishing and had delayed the taking of the corner. The corner could not be taken until he had blown for it to be taken, he had not done this, however, the corner was taken and he had then to stop the play.
Technically, he could have cautioned Brownhill for taking the kick and imagine the furore if that had been the case.

Not the case Ashington - two clear blows of the whistle, one for the corner to be taken and the second to stop the game after the corner has been taken.

Clear penalty for a foul by Llorente.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:18 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:05 pm
Not the case Ashington - two clear blows of the whistle, one for the corner to be taken and the second to stop the game after the corner has been taken.

Clear penalty for a foul by Llorente.

You have one view, (with which I tend to agree), Ashington has the opposite. Hence the reason why I said that it was an obvious case for VAR. It doesn't matter at what point the whistle is blown for the corner to be taken, it's the moment that the ball leaves Brownhill's boot and it becomes in play that determines whether it's a penalty (or free-kick to Leeds), [or a re-take].

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:24 pm

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:18 pm
You have one view, (with which I tend to agree), Ashington has the opposite. Hence the reason why I said that it was an obvious case for VAR. It doesn't matter at what point the whistle is blown for the corner to be taken, it's the moment that the ball leaves Brownhill's boot and it becomes in play that determines whether it's a penalty (or free-kick to Leeds), [or a re-take].

Not a differing view at all.

I’ve just watched it back and Oliver blows for the corner to be taken and it’s taken by Westwood. He then blows again after it has been taken.

That’s a fact, not an opinion. You can clearly hear the two whistles. The question is why he blows the second whistle after which he immediately points for the corner to be retaken.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:26 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:24 pm
Not a differing view at all.

I’ve just watched it back and Oliver blows for the corner to be taken and it’s taken by Westwood. He then blows again after it has been taken.

That’s a fact, not an opinion. You can clearly hear the two whistles. The question is why he blows the second whistle after which he immediately points for the corner to be retaken.

That is definitely how I saw it.
Refs do seem to be letting a bit more go at present.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 2:16 am

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:26 pm
That is definitely how I saw it.
Refs do seem to be letting a bit more go at present.

He didn't let it go though. He stopped play... PENALTY REF!

rufus lumley · Post by **rufus lumley** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:14 am

Think Jamie Oliver would have done better with his mate Jimmy as the fourth official he could have brought his kids with him as ball boys/girls as we don't seem to have any .

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:16 am

A 19
B 20
C 22
D 20

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:57 am

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:24 pm
Not a differing view at all.

I’ve just watched it back and Oliver blows for the corner to be taken and it’s taken by Westwood. He then blows again after it has been taken.

That’s a fact, not an opinion. You can clearly hear the two whistles. The question is why he blows the second whistle after which he immediately points for the corner to be retaken.

Ashington expressed his view which was the opposite of yours, which you now says is a fact based on reviewing video evidence. ("I've just watched it back"). Fair enough.
That was my point. It may not have been 100% clear in real time - (though I shared your view), but it was a clear and obvious case for checking VAR to establish the fact that the ball was in play. Therefore, penalty or free-kick.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:25 am

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:57 am
Ashington expressed his view which was the opposite of yours, which you now says is a fact based on reviewing video evidence. ("I've just watched it back"). Fair enough.
That was my point. It may not have been 100% clear in real time - (though I shared your view), but it was a clear and obvious case for checking VAR to establish the fact that the ball was in play. Therefore, penalty or free-kick.

Totally agree. He's stopped the game with the ball in play and given a retake of a corner. There is no evidence to suggest why he's stopped the game.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:29 am

Well I, for one, am stunned that Michael Oliver has got a big decision wrong.