Ross Barkley

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:15 pm

How close were we to signing him? What went wrong?

Was there a genuine attempt to get him?
Is there a possibility of him coming in January?

I've been hoping Dyche could work with him for years, I really think it could work out well for everyone.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:20 pm

burnley007 wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:15 pm
How close were we to signing him? What went wrong?

Was there a genuine attempt to get him?
Is there a possibility of him coming in January?

I've been hoping Dyche could work with him for years, I really think it could work out well for everyone.

I think IF we approached him it was only as a last minute worth a question level. It was a move that made sense… but also that made sense to journos. There is no real evidence it got further than “do we want him Sean?”

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:22 pm

Allegedly according to rumours, Chelsea wouldn’t contribute anything (or enough) towards his wages

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:24 pm

The thing is, we're very unlikely to find out, so another pointless speculation thread.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:27 pm

We weren’t close to signing him. From what I’m told we didn’t have an interest in him.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:34 pm

Whether we had an interest or not, I don't understand why Chelsea (or any other club) would keep and continue to pay for a depreciating asset, especially if he doesn't make the 25-man squad.

Surely it's better to get him out to save some of his wage, put him in the shop window for future sale and maybe even help another team pick up points from their rivals.

You only have to look at Drinkwater to see this isn't a new situation for Chelsea but it defies logic to me.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:34 pm

I'm glad, there was hardly a queue of clubs after him, just something about him that makes me think he wouldn't be a good influence.

Woonderbah · Post by **Woonderbah** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:40 pm

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:22 pm
Allegedly according to rumours, Chelsea wouldn’t contribute anything (or enough) towards his wages

If that's the case it's difficult to see who would or could take him on loan.
I'm sure I heard that he hasn't even been allocated a squad number so I'm surprised by Chelsea's stance.
It's a situation that benefits no-one other than his bank balance

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:41 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:34 pm
Whether we had an interest or not, I don't understand why Chelsea (or any other club) would keep and continue to pay for a depreciating asset, especially if he doesn't make the 25-man squad.

Surely it's better to get him out to save some of his wage, put him in the shop window for future sale and maybe even help another team pick up points from their rivals.

You only have to look at Drinkwater to see this isn't a new situation for Chelsea but it defies logic to me.

They have to keep and continue to pay them because they are under contract. To be honest, I think Chelsea were offering him to clubs yesterday just to get him out. We fell for that one two years ago.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:46 pm

Either way, it’s great that under the new ownership we are now being linked with higher calibre players that we have no interest in signing.

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:27 pm
We weren’t close to signing him. From what I’m told we didn’t have an interest in him.

I wonder where the story appeared from, agents?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:52 pm

burnley007 wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:50 pm
I wonder where the story appeared from, agents?

Or Chelsea to try and drum up some late interest.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:01 pm

Either way, I think it’s a shame. He’s just the sort of player we need - could’ve been transformational.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:06 pm

scouseclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:01 pm
Either way, I think it’s a shame. He’s just the sort of player we need - could’ve been transformational.

Only if he actually wanted to change how he plays and what he contributes to a side

One thing Thomas Tuchel demands is work rate, and the fact he's not even getting a look in suggests that is an issue

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:12 pm

scouseclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:01 pm
Either way, I think it’s a shame. He’s just the sort of player we need - could’ve been transformational.

Fizzled out at Chelsea, fizzled out at Villa. Chelsea wanted rid but no takers.

All that for me suggests it’s more likely a bullet dodged.

Redbeard · Post by **Redbeard** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:17 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:06 pm
One thing Thomas Tuchel demands is work rate.

Barkley Claims Hardest.

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:30 pm

Barkley got injured at Villa last season, looked very good in some games
There is still a top player in there.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:58 pm

burnley007 wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:30 pm
Barkley got injured at Villa last season, looked very good in some games
There is still a top player in there.

Agree, but quite a few have failed to release it… most telling is that Moyes has not gone for him, the one manager that did get him playing.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:06 pm

West Ham don’t need him.

Less than 12 months ago all the talk was of him being back in the England squad etc.

Also quite a few on here were convinced Lingard had nothing to offer in January, questioned his attitude etc, until he went to West Ham and absolutely tore it up.

I’d have loved us to get Barkley, he’s a real talent.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:18 pm

It's all down to Barkley really. If he really wants to play he needs to think about a wage cut like others did this window.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:19 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:06 pm
West Ham don’t need him.

Less than 12 months ago all the talk was of him being back in the England squad etc.

Also quite a few on here were convinced Lingard had nothing to offer in January, questioned his attitude etc, until he went to West Ham and absolutely tore it up.

I’d have loved us to get Barkley, he’s a real talent.

For the most part I agree, I just think it may have been too much of a gamble and I would be amazed if Sean had considered him before discussing him with Moyes and Dean Smith. So, either Sean didn’t like what he heard/did not see him being right for the squad or we just couldn’t afford to gamble given Chelsea’s terms. I am as comfortable that we did not sign him as I would have been thrilled to have been giving it a go.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:26 pm

As I said on previous thread , very much doubt Dyche would be interested, file under Drinkwater and once bitten etc

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:29 pm

You have to ask why Villa decided not to sign him even on loan.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:50 pm

ecc wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:29 pm
You have to ask why Villa decided not to sign him even on loan.

Private message me , I’ll tell you

Father Jack · Post by **Father Jack** » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:48 pm

Ross Barkley: The one-time boy wonder stuck in the cold at Chelsea.

Chelsea had hoped that a season on loan at Aston Villa would put Barkley back on the map and see his value rise, but the opposite happened
By
Matt Law,
FOOTBALL NEWS CORRESPONDENT
10 September 2021 • 10:30pm

n the final days of the summer transfer window, West Bromwich Albion received an enquiry over whether or not they would be interested in signing Ross Barkley on loan.

Given Barkley earns around £110,000-a-week at Chelsea, there was never much chance of West Brom financing a deal and the 27-year-old remained at Stamford Bridge.

Chelsea have 22 players out on loan, including Danny Drinkwater, and also sold the likes of Tammy Abraham, Fikayo Tomori and Davide Zappacosta. But Barkley proved to be the man they could not move.

“He tried to go on loan again, to find a club, but it is not easy,” said Chelsea head coach Thomas Tuchel. “The situation out there, the financial impact from corona to clubs abroad and clubs also within the country is huge. It's not easy to find clubs who are able to invest.

“It's hard to see people struggling and struggling with the situation. But the quality that Ross brings to the pitch could help a lot of clubs in Europe.”

It may seem a surprise that the Championship might have even been a consideration for Barkley and yet 12 months ago he joined a club that had survived relegation from the Premier League by a single point in a bid to revive his career.

Barkley’s loan signing was seen as a huge coup for Aston Villa last season and two goals in his first two games, in victories over Liverpool and Leicester City, gave plenty of reason for optimism.

There were other notable moments, an excellent performance in the 3-0 victory over Arsenal and a winning header at Southampton at the end of January, but after that it was downhill both on and off the pitch.

Back at Chelsea and unable to find a new home, either temporary or permanent, Barkley was this week given a place in the club’s Premier League squad, but his number eight was handed to Mateo Kovacic, and he has been shifted to number 18.

When asked about the decision to sign Saul Niguez on loan, Tuchel said that he was “nervous to go into the season with three midfielders”, N’Golo Kante, Jorginho and Kovacic, which does not bode well for Barkley, or Ruben Loftus-Cheek.

He (Barkley) accepts the situation that it was not an over-performance from him at Aston Villa, so he cannot demand that we rely on him as the top midfielder in the next season,” said Tuchel.

“I'm sure that he himself worries a lot about the situation. ‘How can it come so far that right now I'm like in between the chairs and don't really know where I belong and what my role is?’

“All I say is that, for example, with him, and with Ruben Loftus-Cheek, I'm super happy. We had the in-house game here and the two did fantastic. They trained very, very well despite their personal situations, which is maybe sometimes not the nicest one to have as a competitor, as a boy who has dreams, high hopes and loves his sport.

“He does not have to love the situation, but he needs to accept it in a positive way. This is what I feel from him and, hopefully, he can keep this spirit up.”

A hamstring injury undoubtedly halted Barkley’s good start at Villa, but there were other issues too - most notably at the end of his loan period when a newspaper alleged that he had been asked to leave the May Fair Hotel in London following a drunken row with diners and staff.

The report was not the first time some of Barkley’s off-the-field behaviour had made the news, either at Chelsea or Villa, and it is a worry that each time alcohol appears to have been involved.

Honest and well-meaning, Barkley does not fit the stereotype of what those who only know him through the news pages might assume and it is worth noting that he has kept his head down over the summer and, by all accounts, returned to Chelsea in good shape.

He is more often than not liked by his managers. His last two, Dean Smith and former Chelsea head coach Frank Lampard, were keen to give him a chance and felt a desire to help him

But the cycle repeated itself on too many occasions, as, first, Lampard allowed Barkley to leave Stamford Bridge and then Smith eventually decided that his Villa team were better off without him.

Chelsea had hoped that a season on loan at Villa would put Barkley back on the map and see his value rise, but the opposite happened and Premier League clubs were more interested in trying to strike deals with the Blues for players such as Billy Gilmour and Conor Gallagher.

Normally you expect – and this is not a secret – somebody to go on loan from Chelsea to Aston Villa that he is the main guy at Aston Villa and then he comes back and takes the next steps,” said Tuchel. “This has not happened, so maybe there is a long way to go, but you never know. He has the ability, so let’s see. It's never too late and I will give him the support that I can. We need to wait and have patience.”

There have been good times for Barkley at Chelsea and the £15million the club spent to sign him from Everton in January 2018 has certainly not been a write-off.

Under Maurizio Sarri, there was a memorable three-game run in which he scored against Southampton, Manchester United and Burnley, while also netting important Europa League goals against Malmo, and in Lampard’s first season, he scored a superb FA Cup goal against Liverpool.

It should also be noted that Barkley had been in good form when he was last playing for England, netting twice in his last appearance against Bulgaria in 2019 and also on target twice against Montenegro earlier in the same year.

Barkley is far too talented not to be playing football, but there must be a genuine fear he will drift further out of sight and mind between now and the January transfer window, when clubs are likely to once again find him among the list of available players.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:51 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:27 pm
We weren’t close to signing him. From what I’m told we didn’t have an interest in him.

Good.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:30 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:34 pm
Whether we had an interest or not, I don't understand why Chelsea (or any other club) would keep and continue to pay for a depreciating asset, especially if he doesn't make the 25-man squad.

Surely it's better to get him out to save some of his wage, put him in the shop window for future sale and maybe even help another team pick up points from their rivals.

You only have to look at Drinkwater to see this isn't a new situation for Chelsea but it defies logic to me.

It wasn't until a few weeks ago they realised Drinkwater was a bad egg, and let him go to Reading.I suspect he cost Reading nothing -just a wage

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:34 pm

I’d love us to give Barkley a go.

I think it would work as well.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:35 pm

File under Drinkwater.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:50 pm

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:35 pm
File under Drinkwater.

That was my thoughts when I heard we were linked with him

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:00 am

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:34 pm
I’d love us to give Barkley a go.

I think it would work as well.

As well as shortness of breath, loss of taste and smell, brain fog and fatigue, a yearning for Ross Barkley needs to be added to the symptoms of long covid.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:34 am

Father Jack wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:48 pm
In the final days of the summer transfer window, West Bromwich Albion received an enquiry over whether or not they would be interested in signing Ross Barkley on loan.

And I believe this is where the link with Burnley came, Chelsea coming to us offering him on loan, not us trying to sign him on loan.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:33 am

Drinkwater never worked because Dyche never wanted him here in the first place. Same would happen with Barkley if Dyche didn't want him here.

I'm just hoping Cornet was wanted by Dyche or this could be another expensive disaster. We will see on Monday night at Everton how much he wants him. His top signings go straight in the side like Defour and Gray.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:36 am

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:33 am
Drinkwater never worked because Dyche never wanted him here in the first place. Same would happen with Barkley if Dyche didn't want him here.

I'm just hoping Cornet was wanted by Dyche or this could be another expensive disaster. We will see on Monday night at Everton how much he wants him. His top signings go straight in the side like Defour and Gray.

I doubt Monday evening will have any bearing on his future here.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:43 am

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:36 am
I doubt Monday evening will have any bearing on his future here.

If he's not in the matchday squad like a few predict then I think it will. Hopefully I'm wrong.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:45 am

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:43 am
If he's not in the matchday squad like a few predict then I think it will. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Didn't Cornet come back from international duty with a dead leg?

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:50 am

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:43 am
If he's not in the matchday squad like a few predict then I think it will. Hopefully I'm wrong.

He's barely trained therefore wouldn't be a surprise either way and so Monday would give no indication about his future here

kazza · Post by **kazza** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:53 am

As mentioned, Cornet only met the players the other day, and needs to have his fitness tests. If he isn't in the squad for Monday, I'm sure it's more about the above, than Dyche not wanting him. Dyche seemed to speak well of him in his press conference and sounded like he's very much in his thinking.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:57 am

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:33 am
Drinkwater never worked because Dyche never wanted him here in the first place. Same would happen with Barkley if Dyche didn't want him here.

I'm just hoping Cornet was wanted by Dyche or this could be another expensive disaster. We will see on Monday night at Everton how much he wants him. His top signings go straight in the side like Defour and Gray.

Drinkwater could hardly work given what happened almost immediately after his first game in the League Cup, although I do believe that he wasn't a Dyche signing. Defour did go straight in, he replaced Jones who had gone to Sheff Wed. Gray did too, but Dyche knew that both Sordell & Vossen were leaving.

Dyche is looking relaxed these days, he's praised the new owners for the window and again this week thrown out at the previous chairman for lack of player investment over the last two years.

I don't understand your reasoning that we will see on Monday night at Everton how much he wants him. He's arrived in Burnley having suffered a dead leg in the international, he's gone through the medical stuff but is still to train with our squad. I wouldn't expect him to play on Monday to be honest and if he doesn't it definitely won't be telling me anything about how much Dyche wanted him.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:08 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:45 am
Didn't Cornet come back from international duty with a dead leg?

Dyche mentioned he had, but we were also told he was having all his fitness levels monitored on Thursday. Hardly fair to be tested if he has a dead leg.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:12 am

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:08 am
Dyche mentioned he had, but we were also told he was having all his fitness levels monitored on Thursday. Hardly fair to be tested if he has a dead leg.

I hardly think a dead leg will have any impact on the fitness tests he will have been required to go through

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:13 am

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:57 am
Drinkwater could hardly work given what happened almost immediately after his first game in the League Cup, although I do believe that he wasn't a Dyche signing. Defour did go straight in, he replaced Jones who had gone to Sheff Wed. Gray did too, but Dyche knew that both Sordell & Vossen were leaving.

Dyche is looking relaxed these days, he's praised the new owners for the window and again this week thrown out at the previous chairman for lack of player investment over the last two years.

I don't understand your reasoning that we will see on Monday night at Everton how much he wants him. He's arrived in Burnley having suffered a dead leg in the international, he's gone through the medical stuff but is still to train with our squad. I wouldn't expect him to play on Monday to be honest and if he doesn't it definitely won't be telling me anything about how much Dyche wanted him.

Just going off past experiences.

International footballers who have played way higher levels than most of our squad should be able to go straight into the team, or on the bench where he will learn all the warm up routines etc and be available if needed. I don't see any benefits whatsoever for leaving him out, especially when we have 5 subs of the 9 that have no chance of getting on.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:15 am

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:13 am
Just going off past experiences.

International footballers who have played way higher levels than most of our squad should be able to go straight into the team, or on the bench where he will learn all the warm up routines etc and be available if needed. I don't see any benefits whatsoever for leaving him out, especially when we have 5 subs of the 9 that have no chance of getting on.

I would be absolutely stunned if he was to go into the starting eleven on Monday. There's no way he should start.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:22 am

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:15 am
I would be absolutely stunned if he was to go into the starting eleven on Monday. There's no way he should start.

Couldn’t agree more

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:27 am

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:33 am
Drinkwater never worked because Dyche never wanted him here in the first place. Same would happen with Barkley if Dyche didn't want him here.

I'm just hoping Cornet was wanted by Dyche or this could be another expensive disaster. We will see on Monday night at Everton how much he wants him. His top signings go straight in the side like Defour and Gray.

We chased Cornet for two months. It was all out in the public domain. I can't believe that if Dyche didn't want him he wouldn't have mentioned it to the chairman at some point.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:37 am

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:27 am
We chased Cornet for two months. It was all out in the public domain. I can't believe that if Dyche didn't want him he wouldn't have mentioned it to the chairman at some point.

And if we had a chairman who wanted to interfere and bring players in anyway, I doubt very much that Dyche would be so relaxed about things.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:40 am

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:27 am
We chased Cornet for two months. It was all out in the public domain. I can't believe that if Dyche didn't want him he wouldn't have mentioned it to the chairman at some point.

Do you not think in that 2 months, Dyche would have spoken to him if it was a signing driven by the manager?

Like I say I hope it all works out perfect.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:07 pm

On the bench.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:13 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:15 am
I would be absolutely stunned if he was to go into the starting eleven on Monday. There's no way he should start.

I'll be shocked if Cornet starts on Monday, don't forget we actually played well in the Leeds game, and SD rarely changes a team that's performed well in the previous match, I could see Cornet on the bench, and if we are chasing an equaliser, or maybe even a winner, he'll at least provide us with a strong option in the latter stages of the game, something which we've been severely lacking for a long time.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:20 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:13 pm
I'll be shocked if Cornet starts on Monday, don't forget we actually played well in the Leeds game, and SD rarely changes a team that's performed well in the previous match, I could see Cornet on the bench, and if we are chasing an equaliser, or maybe even a winner, he'll at least provide us with a strong option in the latter stages of the game, something which we've been severely lacking for a long time.

The only way I could see Cornet coming on - and that would be a surprise - is if we are comfortably getting beat.