England vs India - 4th Test

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:11 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:48 am
50 for Hameed, now he needs to go big, if he can get 100-150, then it'll allow the quicker scorers to bat around him.

Just got lucky. That's a big ask, tiger.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:16 pm

Cricketing vasectomy for Siraj, there...

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:31 pm

Right handers need to take most of the strike against the spinner.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:38 pm

Malan run out, disaster.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:38 pm

Some effort to be run out while you aren't trying to win a game

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:39 pm

Malan failed to remotely look like a test batsman throughout that pitiful innings.

Can blame himself for being run out....completely rooted in his crease.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:45 pm

Apart from not backing up, appearing to run through treacle and putting in a terrible dive, Malan was hard done to there.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:30 pm

If you are trying to save a game on day 5, why are England even chancing a risky single, brain-dead cricket from both batsman there.

Not a bad morning session for England despite that run out.

54-2 in the 1st session doesn't suggest to me as if England really believe the win is on, but it's only another 237 needed, and assuming England bat late into the day, they should be within reach of a few lusty blows from the likes of Bairstow, Mo & CO.

Draw looks heavy favourite though, as this pitch isn't offering much for the bowlers, although India will have a new ball in 21 overs, and a swift wicket or two with the brand new cherry, will put them well on the way to victory.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:51 pm

Hameed clean bowled for 63 141/3

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:00 pm

Right from start of play England playing for the draw, India would likely be closer to 200 now and going for the win, because they believe, as we should, the win was there and we should have played that way, that we believe, we're left now trying to save the game.

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:03 pm

Only way the win is on for england now is if we have wickets in hand and need 100 or less after tea against tired bowlers, but as I've said the Indians believe where we don't.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:05 pm

146/4 and into the tail

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:07 pm

What's that I can smell? Another England batting collapse?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:07 pm

England might as well go for it as they will struggle to see out the game just by being defensive.

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:09 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:07 pm
England might as well go for it as they will struggle to see out the game just by being defensive.

Should have done that at start of play

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:09 pm

Take Root out and the rest average 35 or less in Test Cricket.
We need to find new batsman and give them a chance.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:15 pm

Bairstow

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:15 pm

100-0 to 146-4. Usual England top and middle order failure on a pitch we are told is good for batting and on which the Indians put on 144 for their last 4 wickets. England have turned what was a certain draw and an outside chance of a win into a likely defeat or hanging on desperately for a draw in one session.

Gunfury · Post by **Gunfury** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:15 pm

Ah yes,the good old England collapse is well on the way now

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:18 pm

Night follows day
Bear defecates in heavily forested area
England middle order collapses when under pressure

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:19 pm

It’s mentality, has been a cracking series so far though

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:20 pm

going largely as I predicted. India simply stronger

Local cricketer · Post by **Local cricketer** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:20 pm

Ridiculous batting but no surprise

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:20 pm

**** poor

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:20 pm

No now

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:21 pm

Moeen gone

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:21 pm

Ali gone 147/6

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:22 pm

England will do well to survive beyond tea at this rate.

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:22 pm

Don't know about tea, doubt we'll get to 3 o clock, can't believe how cheaply these batsmen give up their wickets, pathetic collapse yet again.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:22 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:22 pm
England will do well to survive beyond tea at this rate.

Tea ? Be lucky to survive til half 2

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:24 pm

Michael Vaughan at 13:52 "He played nicely but in a funny kind of way England have a better chance of winning now Hameed is out"

That comment aged well then...

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:37 pm

I've bemoaned our technique for test cricket, for years.
But this is all down to a total lack of bottle. Embarrassing, and so predictable that 2 wickets quickly leads to 6.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:03 pm

Pathetic since lunch, mind you the run out opened the door for India, and they've wasted no time gatecrashing through England's batting again.

The only batters who emerge with credit from this innings, are the openers who battled hard for 40 overs, and Root who looks like he'll make a few again.

As for the rest gutless as soon as they're put under any sort of pressure they fold like a deck of cards.

This is even worse than the final day collapse at Lords, blameless pitch, perfect start, and India without their main spinner in Ashwin, and yet they're still going to rack another convincing victory, at Lords they won by 151 runs, they might even better that at The Oval.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:05 pm

Stat from TMS Andy Zaltzman, sums up how pitiful England have been in the last hour.

England lost four wickets in seven overs. There had been 17 wickets in the previous 267 overs, and a rate of one every 16 overs.

In terms of England collapses from two down to six down, for just six runs, it is the joint-second worst since 1902, when England crumbled at Bramall Lane.

Local cricketer · Post by **Local cricketer** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:19 pm

What a dreadful shot

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:21 pm

7 wickets down

4 clean bowled and 1 stupid run out. Only Burns has been got out the rest.. woeful

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:22 pm

Taken from Ebony Rainford-Brent on the BBC text feed. I take it she hasn't seen England in test cricket for awhile if this collapse comes as a surprise to her.

I've been in shock for a little bit - I was surprised by that collapse. I thought the draw was on, England were settled in and the pitch wasn't offering much, but that spell flipped the game on its head.

New ball due, just to compound England's misery. Root & Woakes are at least battling, but defeat seems only a matter of when and not if now.

182-7 Root gone, and that will surely be that.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:28 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:21 pm
7 wickets down

4 clean bowled and 1 stupid run out. Only Burns has been got out the rest.. woeful

Bairstow in particular seems to be out clean bowled an awful lot in test matches, probably his lack of technique, but it's spreading to the rest now.

I never really thought the win was on for England today, but given the good track, and India's lack of Ashwin, I honestly thought we'd be able to salvage a hard fought draw.

What's telling for me is at Lords, and also at The Oval England gained a 1st innings lead, and yet in both matches India are going to win convincingly, that suggests to me England lack the mental strength when it comes to the crunch periods in the 4th and 5th days.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:43 pm

Woakes gone

193/8 at tea

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:58 pm

I’ve been out for a lovely tapas lunch with my granddaughter, her husband and my wife so I haven’t watched the match. Mrs Vino was surprised I was wasn’t particularly worried about missing the cricket. I told her exactly what would happen, that we would struggle to make 200. I’ve just got back to see us at 198/8: I’ve said it before on here that this is the worst batting line up, Root apart, in my 60 years of watching England test cricket.and have be mocked about it after we won a match. Root is not a test captain (why did we put them in to bat first, basic mistake?), Barstow a test batsman? Sibley, Crawley, Lawrence, bringing Moeen Ali in as Vice Captain? Give me strength!,. Anyway, mini rant over, I’m off to sit on my terrace with a couple of cold Mahous from the fridge, utc

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:59 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:28 pm

What's telling for me is at Lords, and also at The Oval England gained a 1st innings lead, and yet in both matches India are going to win convincingly, that suggests to me England lack the mental strength when it comes to the crunch periods in the 4th and 5th days.

Yes, sums it up.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:10 pm

Had to go out for a short time this afternoon. Hameed was out just before I went and stunned to see us eight down.

Longsidelenny1882 · Post by **Longsidelenny1882** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:12 pm

Where you go for lunch blanco sounds better than the cricket upthecolne

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:21 pm

Went to the Taperia Myramar, in Benalmádena (aSpanish taperia near the Arroyo de Miel). We had grilled asparagus and boquerones al limon (whitebait grilled in lemon) and then a selection of chicken livers, Burgos black puddings, prawns in butter and garlic, tiger mussels and aubergines in honey, all accompanied by a few ice cold beers and a bottle of Faustino dry white wine, then cafe con leche and Spanish brandy. Without a doubt, more pleasant than the cricket.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:25 pm

Vino blanco wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:21 pm
Went to the Taperia Myramar, in Benalmádena (aSpanish taperia near the Arroyo de Miel). We had grilled asparagus and boquerones al limon (whitebait grilled in lemon) and then a selection of chicken livers, Burgos black puddings, prawns in butter and garlic, tiger mussels and aubergines in honey, all accompanied by a few ice cold beers and a bottle of Faustino dry white wine, then cafe con leche and Spanish brandy. Without a doubt, more pleasant than the cricket.

Sounds brilliant

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:30 pm

Amazed anyone thought we’d even try to have a go at getting them.
The chance of victory was lost at the weekend, the chance of a draw predictably lost today.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:32 pm

In my opinion the chance of victory was lost when we put them into bat on the first day. Call me old fashioned, but that’s how it goes.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:41 pm

How much is Chris Silverwood to blame for another defeat?

buzzclarets79 · Post by **buzzclarets79** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:41 pm

Lost by 157 runs

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:44 pm

Jimmy gone, 210 all out, India win by 157 runs, and go 2-1 up in the series.

There definitely has to be changes for OT, far too many of this England side are getting a free pass, and it's time a few got a wake up call.

Simply not good enough again.

Who comes in is the problem, but surely they can't do any worse then this present shower.