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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by dsr » Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:38 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:11 pm
They aren’t, a point ahead of Crompton who appear to have had points deducted.
There was something wrong with the signing of the Crompton pro, so they lost the 45 points they had gained from matches he played in.

Up the Colne! Another win for the mighty Colne! Roll on next season.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Somethingfishy » Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:41 pm

Nailbiting finish at Walsden by the looks of it. Going to be tight.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:46 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:00 pm
They’ve won - well done Colne
Class, made up for them

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:50 pm

Well done Colne and Lenny.

Against Price as well.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:00 pm

Up the Colne! Knew we'd get a win before the season was over. Bring on Darwen next week.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Somethingfishy » Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:04 pm

Burnley have won by 40 runs. The locals over there will not be happy. :D

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Local cricketer » Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:15 pm

Update from Paul great win for Burnley

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Local cricketer » Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:15 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:04 pm
Burnley have won by 40 runs. The locals over there will not be happy. :D
I actually found them a great crowd. Good people and Joe Gale is a good lad

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:31 pm

Local cricketer wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:15 pm
I actually found them a great crowd. Good people and Joe Gale is a good lad
I think they’re both decent lads, that’s a good win and makes next weeks game a belter.

Who took the wickets? My bets Baz 4, ocki 3

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Somethingfishy » Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:41 pm

Local cricketer wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:15 pm
I actually found them a great crowd. Good people and Joe Gale is a good lad
:lol: Doesn't like a decision against him though....effing and blinding all the way back to the pavilion..warned by the umpire. Must have caught them on a good day that's all i can say.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Local cricketer » Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:44 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:31 pm
I think they’re both decent lads, that’s a good win and makes next weeks game a belter.

Who took the wickets? My bets Baz 4, ocki 3
4 for Baz and 4 for Holty but special mention to Fergus who is proving himself to be the the best amateur medium pacer in the league

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by The Enclosure » Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:52 pm

Good win for Burnley...good days cricket in brilliant sunshine.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by The Enclosure » Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:53 pm

Well done Colne..First and second eleven good wins.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:00 pm

Tight finish this season.

Burnley 3 points clear of Darwen & Norden at the top with Burnley playing Norden next week.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Local cricketer » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:13 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:00 pm
Tight finish this season.

Burnley 3 points clear of Darwen & Norden at the top with Burnley playing Norden next week.
Forecast ain’t the best either

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:15 pm

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Forecast ain’t the best either
Will be a big shame if the weather ruins the final day

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by CBT » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:15 pm

Haslingden promoted
Will need something special to stay up next year looking at colnes experience

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:20 pm

Just looking at amateur runs this year, Jonny & Ben right up there.
This Lowerhouse side looks a different side to the first half of the season, should hopefully be up there next year

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Somethingfishy » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:33 pm

Local cricketer wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:13 pm
Forecast ain’t the best either
You don't want to win it like that do you?.....Do you?....Surely not..... :lol: :lol:

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Somethingfishy » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:39 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:20 pm
Just looking at amateur runs this year, Jonny & Ben right up there.
This Lowerhouse side looks a different side to the first half of the season, should hopefully be up there next year
Hit form just as the season is ending. Looking more like the Lowerhouse we knew. Been quite ruthless this weekend with Ramsbottom and Crompton. I was at Crompton in the reverse fixture where we just didn't turn up. It is games like that that has cost us this season. The weather been unkind to us as well. Most no results in the league.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:46 pm

Top six have all list either five or six games. Shows how close it has been.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:54 pm

CBT wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:15 pm
Haslingden promoted
Will need something special to stay up next year looking at colnes experience
I believe there's a few players from Feniscowles going there.
Mo and Mini Bhadaplus others.

Not sure if the Fenny pro is going as pro or not?

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Somethingfishy » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:55 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:46 pm
Top six have all list either five or six games. Shows how close it has been.
That is what i noticed Tony. We havnt lost many more than the others yet find ourselves many points behind. The no results don't help but it is also noticeable how few bonus points we have picked up. Only Colne have less. We are roughly a wins worth of points short of the top 5. Something to rectify next season i hope.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Longsidelenny1882 » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:56 pm

Merry Christmas everybody upthecolne
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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:02 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:55 pm
That is what i noticed Tony. We havnt lost many more than the others yet find ourselves many points behind. The no results don't help but it is also noticeable how few bonus points we have picked up. Only Colne have less. We are roughly a wins worth of points short of the top 5. Something to rectify next season i hope.
I don’t like the bonus points. I’ve never quite worked out that it’s losers who get them. There’s no logic to that.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Local cricketer » Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:04 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:33 pm
You don't want to win it like that do you?.....Do you?....Surely not..... :lol: :lol:
We will beat them with sun, rain or snow. A winning team peaks at the right time

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Somethingfishy » Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:45 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
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I don’t like the bonus points. I’ve never quite worked out that it’s losers who get them. There’s no logic to that.
We've only got one batting point and yet we regularly post scores above 200. How is that right or fair? Seems you only get them when batting second and getting close. Might explain it as we do tend to bat first given the chance more often than not.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Local cricketer » Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:55 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:45 pm
We've only got one batting point and yet we regularly post scores above 200. How is that right or fair? Seems you only get them when batting second and getting close. Might explain it as we do tend to bat first given the chance more often than not.
Think your clutching at straws with bonus points. I prefer to cuddle a good pro

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:07 pm

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Gt Harwood pro De Silva has smashed 219n.o

Very good player who has a yard of pace as well.
That 219 n.o. is (apparently) a league record for an individual score and was a brilliant watch. Harwood made 344 altogether.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by arise_sir_charge » Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:50 pm

I think the bonus points system is great to be honest.

It encourages positive cricket and generally stops teams shutting up shop.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:56 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:50 pm
I think the bonus points system is great to be honest.

It encourages positive cricket and generally stops teams shutting up shop.
Some do like it. I see it as rewarding losers.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Somethingfishy » Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:57 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:50 pm
I think the bonus points system is great to be honest.

It encourages positive cricket and generally stops teams shutting up shop.
I'm not against it at all. I was just pointing out that we have suffered with it this season.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by arise_sir_charge » Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:59 pm

We have but that’s because when we’ve lost we’ve been hammered. Not really been involved in any tight games which is where the bonus points system really works.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Somethingfishy » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:07 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:59 pm
We have but that’s because when we’ve lost we’ve been hammered. Not really been involved in any tight games which is where the bonus points system really works.
So most teams don't lose as badly as we do when we do lose. I'm with Tony. A loss is a loss. The batting points should be awarded for actually scoring highly and being proficient at batting rather than how close you get to an opponents score. The bowling points i totally understand.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Local cricketer » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:10 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:07 pm
So most teams don't lose as badly as we do when we do lose. I'm with Tony. A loss is a loss. The batting points should be awarded for actually scoring highly and being proficient at batting rather than how close you get to an opponents score. The bowling points i totally understand.
Maybe next season you’ll be thankful for bonus points ;) if you put a better fight up

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Somethingfishy » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:15 pm

The other week Clitheroe were all out for 71 and yet got a batting point. I said it was ridiculous at the time that they got a bonus point for only getting 71 just because we only happened to score 112. I stand by it. It's crazy rewarding a team that is allout for 71 with a bonus point.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by dsr » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:22 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:45 pm
We've only got one batting point and yet we regularly post scores above 200. How is that right or fair? Seems you only get them when batting second and getting close. Might explain it as we do tend to bat first given the chance more often than not.
Bonus points are given for the performance of the losing side in the second innings. If you don't bat second, your losing bonuses will be bowling bonuses.

The cricinfo site way of posting bonus points isn't helpful. The two columns say batting bonuses and bowling bonuses, but the Lancashire League doesn't allocate bonuses that way. The Lancashire League gives bowling bonuses (2 points for bowling the opposition out) and losing bonuses (up to 5 points for the losing side based on second innings). Cricinfo insists that the 2-point bowling bonuses and the up-to-5-point losing bonuses if the side bowling second loses, go into one column; the losing bonuses if the side batting second loses, go into the other column.

If the points table was shown differently, you'd see that it's not losing bonuses that cost Lowerhouse. Burnley have 7 losing bonuses, Darwen 5, Norden 8, Clitheroe 8, Walsden 4, Lowerhouse 6. Lowerhouse's problem is bowling teams out. Burnley have 24 bowling points in 2-point bonuses, Darwen 26, Norden 20, Clitheroe 24, Walsden 26, Lowerhouse 16. They aren't bowling sides out enough; it cost them up to 10 points compared with the top clubs.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by dsr » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:25 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:15 pm
The other week Clitheroe were all out for 71 and yet got a batting point. I said it was ridiculous at the time that they got a bonus point for only getting 71 just because we only happened to score 112. I stand by it. It's crazy rewarding a team that is allout for 71 with a bonus point.
The reward isn't for how many runs you score or how many wickets you take, it's for how close you make the game. The league's argument is that scoring 71 and getting to within 41 of the target on (presumably) a tricky wicket, is a greater achievement that scoring 120 all out and losing by 200+ runs on a shirt front. It's a rational argument, even if you don't agree it.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Somethingfishy » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:34 pm

dsr wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:22 pm
Bonus points are given for the performance of the losing side in the second innings. If you don't bat second, your losing bonuses will be bowling bonuses.

The cricinfo site way of posting bonus points isn't helpful. The two columns say batting bonuses and bowling bonuses, but the Lancashire League doesn't allocate bonuses that way. The Lancashire League gives bowling bonuses (2 points for bowling the opposition out) and losing bonuses (up to 5 points for the losing side based on second innings). Cricinfo insists that the 2-point bowling bonuses and the up-to-5-point losing bonuses if the side bowling second loses, go into one column; the losing bonuses if the side batting second loses, go into the other column.

If the points table was shown differently, you'd see that it's not losing bonuses that cost Lowerhouse. Burnley have 7 losing bonuses, Darwen 5, Norden 8, Clitheroe 8, Walsden 4, Lowerhouse 6. Lowerhouse's problem is bowling teams out. Burnley have 24 bowling points in 2-point bonuses, Darwen 26, Norden 20, Clitheroe 24, Walsden 26, Lowerhouse 16. They aren't bowling sides out enough; it cost them up to 10 points compared with the top clubs.
We have 21 bowling bonus pointss and yes that is lower than some of the other sides..we are only 1 point down on Norden though. The bowling points are not the issue. The batting points are rewards for failure. You can also score a lot more batting points than you can bowling points thus rewarding teams that choose to bat second disproportionately. Now i doubt captains will figure that into their thinking but nevertheless that bias is there. Lowerhouse seem to mostly choose to bat first as (at a guess) it suits our game better. So we will lose more chance of batting points..which is also borne out with us only having the 1. Bowling points are on offer in both innings but the batting points only in the second.
I'd have batting points on runs scored and available for both teams. I think similar to the county championship? Perhaps start with 1pt at 150, 2 at 175 up tp a full 5 if 250 scored and the same process to the chasing team.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by dsr » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:48 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:34 pm
We have 21 bowling bonus pointss and yes that is lower than some of the other sides..we are only 1 point down on Norden though. The bowling points are not the issue. The batting points are rewards for failure. You can also score a lot more batting points than you can bowling points thus rewarding teams that choose to bat second disproportionately. Now i doubt captains will figure that into their thinking but nevertheless that bias is there. Lowerhouse seem to mostly choose to bat first as (at a guess) it suits our game better. So we will lose more chance of batting points..which is also borne out with us only having the 1. Bowling points are on offer in both innings but the batting points only in the second.
I'd have batting points on runs scored and available for both teams. I think similar to the county championship? Perhaps start with 1pt at 150, 2 at 175 up tp a full 5 if 250 scored and the same process to the chasing team.
Let's get the rules straight first.

1. If you bowl the opposition out, you get two points. It makes no difference whether you bowl first or bowl second, it makes no difference whether you win or you lose. 2 bowling bonuses for bowling the opposition out.

2. If you lose, you get up to 5 points depending what you lose by. If you bat second and lose, you get maximum 5 bonus points if you lose by between 1-10 runs, down on a sliding scale to just one if you lose by 41-50 runs. If you bowl second and lose, you get maximum 5 bonus points if you lose by just 1 wicket, down on a sliding scale to just 1 point if you lose by 5 wickets.

Burnley have bowled out their opponents 12 times. Lowerhouse have bowled out their opponents 8 times. That gave Burnley 8 of their bonus point advantage, simply bonuses for achievement in bowling out the opponents.

County championship rules wouldn't work in a single innings league. County championship rules are designed for 2 innings matches.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by MT03ALG » Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:13 am

Colne second team won as well in an attempt to avoid relegation !!

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:29 am

dsr wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:48 pm
Let's get the rules straight first.

1. If you bowl the opposition out, you get two points. It makes no difference whether you bowl first or bowl second, it makes no difference whether you win or you lose. 2 bowling bonuses for bowling the opposition out.

2. If you lose, you get up to 5 points depending what you lose by. If you bat second and lose, you get maximum 5 bonus points if you lose by between 1-10 runs, down on a sliding scale to just one if you lose by 41-50 runs. If you bowl second and lose, you get maximum 5 bonus points if you lose by just 1 wicket, down on a sliding scale to just 1 point if you lose by 5 wickets.

Burnley have bowled out their opponents 12 times. Lowerhouse have bowled out their opponents 8 times. That gave Burnley 8 of their bonus point advantage, simply bonuses for achievement in bowling out the opponents.

County championship rules wouldn't work in a single innings league. County championship rules are designed for 2 innings matches.
You can get seven bonus points by bowling first and getting beat.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by arise_sir_charge » Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:22 am

Interestingly it could be the bonus points available on Sunday that determine where the title ends up.

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Longsidelenny1882 » Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:49 am

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:59 am

When I first started playing 1st team cricket in the Ribb league it was 5 points for a win and 2 for bowling the opposition out.
Like many others I started out at number 11 and soon as you were going in spectators would tell you to just not get out and then your batting partner would remind you how important it was to deny the opposition the bowling points. Bowling points were a massive chunk compared to winning and ultimately would decide tge title.
But as a young cricketer who had waited all week to play and bat, I wanted to play a few shots. But the pressure of not getting put was huge. You had to get promoted from number 11 quickly.

Now with 10 points for a win there's not as much benefit in bowling sides out. Of course it helps but teams would rather score runs at the end rather than worry about getting bowled out.

Much better for entertaining cricket.
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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Local cricketer » Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:55 pm

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Done well to get Jamal out for under 30.

That lad can hit a cricket ball hard.
Be a good signing for someone next year

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Burnley1989 » Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:27 pm

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Be a good signing for someone next year
Was told he’s on a real screw as a coach, probably more than most pros in the LL, like all things I’m sure the numbers aren’t fully correct but they were big

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Local cricketer » Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:28 pm

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Was told he’s on a real screw as a coach, probably more than most pros in the LL, like all things I’m sure the numbers aren’t fully correct but they were big
Got told yesterday he’s told Crompton that he won’t be playing in Div 2. Be a very good signing for someone but don’t think it will be Burnley

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Burnley1989 » Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:30 pm

Local cricketer wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:28 pm
Got told yesterday he’s told Crompton that he won’t be playing in Div 2. Be a very good signing for someone but don’t think it will be Burnley
Yeah, like you say, he’d get in anyone’s side but would probably want a coaching role.
There’s some rule about playing for 3 years at a club before you can move on, can’t remember the exact rules, how long has he been there?

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Re: Lancashire League, tonight'ds game

Post by Local cricketer » Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:32 pm

Well it must be 5 or 6 years since he’s been down the Turf if not longer. Not sure if playing in a different league will count towards the 3 years

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