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Does anyone know why it has become so common to call the Ivory Coast, "Cote D'Ivoire"?
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Because the official language of the country is French
We never conquered it basically, the French did
We never conquered it basically, the French did
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1-0 to Ivory Coast at half time, no Cornet involved in the matchday squad.
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But we don't called Germany 'Deutschland'?Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:45 pmBecause the official language of the country is French
We never conquered it basically, the French did
We don't call Spain 'Espana'?
We don't call Austria 'Osterreich'?
Nobody goes to holiday in 'Hvratska'.
And we always did call the Ivory Coast, "the Ivory Coast". It's not as if Cote D'Ivoire doesn't translate easily into the English.
I was wondering if there was an official reason, like some kind of declaration.
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BBC still calling it Ivory Coast, dunno what the Sheik of Djibouti will think about that.
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There's no right or wrong way, it just seems anomolous to me.
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Do you call Sierra Leone "Lion Mountains"? Or Costa Rica "Rich Coast"?Rowls wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:59 pmBut we don't called Germany 'Deutschland'?
We don't call Spain 'Espana'?
We don't call Austria 'Osterreich'?
Nobody goes to holiday in 'Hvratska'.
And we always did call the Ivory Coast, "the Ivory Coast". It's not as if Cote D'Ivoire doesn't translate easily into the English.
I was wondering if there was an official reason, like some kind of declaration.
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Hi Rowls, great question. I think it's because we are all sophisticated world travellers and know the name of this country. I'm trying to think of any other countries we do this with. No, not got any, yet.
Ah, we do sing "viva Espana."
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See above.
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Yeah, there's not many others like this. I think you're right - it's because the vast majority can pronounce it without completely mangling the pronunciation and it's lends us a sense of sophistication.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:06 pmHi Rowls, great question. I think it's because we are all sophisticated world travellers and know the name of this country. I'm trying to think of any other countries we do this with. No, not got any, yet.
Ah, we do sing "viva Espana."
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Is Lowerhouse - Maison de la inferieur?
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Lol.
I think a literal translation would be either "masion en bas" or "maison basse" in French.
Guessing you've got that humorous translation from Google but it's given you a translation of "lower" in the sense of 'less worthy than' rather 'below'.
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Brul-noire
Piscine-noire
Piscine-noire
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i know but I did picked that one for comic effect.
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WikipediaThe name had long since been translated literally into other languages,[d] which the post-independence government considered increasingly troublesome whenever its international dealings extended beyond the Francophone sphere. Therefore, in April 1986, the government declared that Côte d'Ivoire (or, more fully, République de Côte d'Ivoire[22]) would be its formal name for the purposes of diplomatic protocol
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That one did make me laugh
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Thanks Tall Paul.Tall Paul wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:19 pm
The name had long since been translated literally into other languages,[d] which the post-independence government considered increasingly troublesome whenever its international dealings extended beyond the Francophone sphere. Therefore, in April 1986, the government declared that Côte d'Ivoire (or, more fully, République de Côte d'Ivoire[22]) would be its formal name for the purposes of diplomatic protocol
Wikipedia
"...considered increasingly troublesome..."
"...beyond the Francophone sphere..."
Looks like they adopted a French attitude as well as the tongue.
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Agree. No official reason. It will originate from someone trying to sound clever but it sounds ridiculous. A bit like people who go to Spanish cities and just put on a ridiculous Spanish accent and try to pronounce the place name in Spanish in the middle of a load of English. If you are speaking English it’s Ivory Coast. If you are speaking French it’s Côte D’Ivoire. If your first language is French you probably do still call it by it’s French name.Rowls wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:59 pmBut we don't called Germany 'Deutschland'?
We don't call Spain 'Espana'?
We don't call Austria 'Osterreich'?
Nobody goes to holiday in 'Hvratska'.
And we always did call the Ivory Coast, "the Ivory Coast". It's not as if Cote D'Ivoire doesn't translate easily into the English.
I was wondering if there was an official reason, like some kind of declaration.
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Holland should be called the Netherlands but we ignorant Brits continue to call it Holland
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or Koninkrijk der Nederlanden...Down_Rover wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:20 pmHolland should be called the Netherlands but we ignorant Brits continue to call it Holland
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There was an ex Dutch footballer doing some punditry when they were playing and he referred to them as Holland. Maybe as he was on British TV though.Down_Rover wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:20 pmHolland should be called the Netherlands but we ignorant Brits continue to call it Holland
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At least Amsterdam is Amsterdam. Then there's s'Hertogenbosch, but also called thank goodness, Den Bosch (pronounced Den Boss).
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rue de la branch, sounds better
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What a bizzare post ? You’re aware the Dutch themselves recently literally “ re-branded” to Netherlands ? And Dutch people did /do still use Holland for certain areas and terminology . It wouldn’t be ignorant in the slightest to use the old word . It was rebranded more as a homogeneous umbrella thing for the likes of international trade etc . Personally I’ve not heard it referred to as Holland in the UK for a good 10 years or so.Down_Rover wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:20 pmHolland should be called the Netherlands but we ignorant Brits continue to call it Holland
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Only on UTC could a thread about a Malawi v Cote D'Ivoire football match descend into arguments about Netherlands and other countries and pronunciations of said countries ... don'tcha just love these pages
Important bit our Maxwel Cornet not playing today (obviously not required looking at the score of 0-3 to Cote D'Ivoire) ... so hopefully he is not agravating the injury picked up v Leicester
Important bit our Maxwel Cornet not playing today (obviously not required looking at the score of 0-3 to Cote D'Ivoire) ... so hopefully he is not agravating the injury picked up v Leicester
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Anybody watching Cymru tonight ?
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Ivory CoastBosscat wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:48 pmOnly on UTC could a thread about a Malawi v Cote D'Ivoire football match descend into arguments about Netherlands and other countries and pronunciations of said countries ... don'tcha just love these pages
Important bit our Maxwel Cornet not playing today (obviously not required looking at the score of 0-3 to Cote D'Ivoire) ... so hopefully he is not agravating the injury picked up v Leicester
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Cabo Verde and Timor L'Este have both made the same declaration that English people ought to stop referring to them by their English names. I presume they are equally punctilious about always referring to us as "United Kingdom" and never by any name in their own languages.
It'll be interesting if the French find out about this idea. I can well imagine Macron throwing a hissy fit because we're pronouncing the S in Paris.
It'll be interesting if the French find out about this idea. I can well imagine Macron throwing a hissy fit because we're pronouncing the S in Paris.
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Africa's second smallest nation state - São Tomé and Príncipe (Saint Thomas and Prince (Afonso)) islands ...
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.... and of course Myanmar ....
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During WW2 in some bar in Alexandria a man appeared that was dressed in a mish-mash of clothing that meant he could more or less be seen to be a naval officer but of unknown origin. A U.S. naval officer approached him and asked 'what navy are you in Bud?' The man replied 'The Royal Navy. Is there another?' Of course this nearly led to a bit of a scrap.
We are a bit arrogant on these matters and whereas in the past we could be now I'm not so sure.
We are a bit arrogant on these matters and whereas in the past we could be now I'm not so sure.
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Explain Bayern Munich, which should be Bavaria Munich or Bayern Muenchen...
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Correct me if I'm wrong, and I always am, but I believe that the French call it 'les Pays de Les Inferiers'Down_Rover wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:20 pmHolland should be called the Netherlands but we ignorant Brits continue to call it Holland
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I thought that was a budget airline.
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The French would never call The Netherlands/Holland “Le Pays de les Inferieurs” because “de les” does not exist in French, it is always condensed to “des”, hence it would be Le Pays des Inferieurs. Holland is actually Les Pays Bas in French. On the same point, during football matches Dutch fans chant “Holland, Holland”, so they seem happy with it.
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Because Ivory poaching is abhorrent, maybe the rest of the World (minus China) should force them to choose another name in order to expunge the historic link.
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Why would anyone want to expunge the historic link? You don’t come to terms with history by expunging it. We need wider research and understanding. For example the Ivory Coast was the main embarkation point for the slave trade as well as the Ivory trade. While the fact that Britain ‘bought’ slaves it was the French and Belgium’s (following the Dutch and Portuguese examples) that created the slave markets… meaning complete records of Britain’s involvement (buying from the markets) can be inspected. It is a fascinating and dark piece of our national history… and created our ruling class so that the next time you visit a stately home you can stop feeling inadequate and instead understand where the money came from.
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Sorry Elwa, I missed the emoji, it was my attempt to act 1modern and offended (I'm not)
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mercy misure je suis unretard I was always unretard for my french lessons as vous see!Vino blanco wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:30 amThe French would never call The Netherlands/Holland “Le Pays de les Inferieurs” because “de les” does not exist in French, it is always condensed to “des”, hence it would be Le Pays des Inferieurs. Holland is actually Les Pays Bas in French. On the same point, during football matches Dutch fans chant “Holland, Holland”, so they seem happy with it.
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Have you checked yr heart rate? You do need to calm downAlargeClaret wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:21 pmWhat a bizzare post ? You’re aware the Dutch themselves recently literally “ re-branded” to Netherlands ? And Dutch people did /do still use Holland for certain areas and terminology . It wouldn’t be ignorant in the slightest to use the old word . It was rebranded more as a homogeneous umbrella thing for the likes of international trade etc . Personally I’ve not heard it referred to as Holland in the UK for a good 10 years or so.
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The alternative best example of is this is Genoa Football and Cricket Club
Still called that in 2021, despite being in the Italian City of Genova
Still called that in 2021, despite being in the Italian City of Genova
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Greece?Paul Waine wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:06 pmHi Rowls, great question. I think it's because we are all sophisticated world travellers and know the name of this country. I'm trying to think of any other countries we do this with. No, not got any, yet.
Ah, we do sing "viva Espana."
Switzerland?
Loads.
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Hi Ian, no, you've got it the wrong way round. This is all about a country we Brits used to call Ivory Coast, but we now call Cote D'Ivoire. Cote D'Ivoire is also the name the people of that country use. The country we Brits call Switzerland is called Suisse by the people of that country. The one we Brits call Greece is called Hellas. Similarly, Germany is Deutschland. Spain is Espana. That's why, as you say, there's "loads."
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I still call it Ivory Coast!
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I think you will find that some 75% of Swiss people do not call Switzerland “Suisse “. Switzerland has four official languages, German, French, Italian and Romansh, which use the words Schweize, Suisse, Svizzera and Svizra for the name Switzerland. Only approx 25% of Swiss people are French speaking, calling Switzerland la Suisse. The Swiss parliament has to translate and issue documents in all these languages, though not always in Romansh. To complicate matters further the diversity of languages means that Switzerland uses the Latin Confoederatio Helvetica (Helvetic Confederation) on its stamps, coins etc, which is shortened to CH on its international number plates, internet etc.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:07 pmHi Ian, no, you've got it the wrong way round. This is all about a country we Brits used to call Ivory Coast, but we now call Cote D'Ivoire. Cote D'Ivoire is also the name the people of that country use. The country we Brits call Switzerland is called Suisse by the people of that country. The one we Brits call Greece is called Hellas. Similarly, Germany is Deutschland. Spain is Espana. That's why, as you say, there's "loads."
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