England - Hungary

[bf2k]

It shows he’s tactically poor. We finished the game as we started it yet it was obvious we couldn’t break them down with those tactics employed from the start.

Then to take Grealish off (apparently it was going to be Foden!!!) when Sterling was totally ineffective and Kane was far far too deep. Rice was pointless. Mount, was he playing? Basically the 3 in midfield didn’t work.

[Colburn_Claret]

Southgate has his players who are untouchable, no matter how crap their form is, and Kane is one of them.
Far too immobile now, the same for Spurs as well. Whether it's the failed transfer playing on his mind or not, he shouldn't be in the squad, let alone on the pitch.
There's no arguing with his record, but if players are selected for their past glories we may as well pick Shearer.

We have some great young talent, but we tend to play that boring Arsenal style, of trying to walk the ball around the pitch, when we should be hitting teams with quick movement like City.
I still think Southgate is the wrong man for the job.

[RVclaret]

Lacklustre performance. Really hope we can convince Pep to take over after the World Cup.

[Ashingtonclaret46]

Come on people, we had 64% possession and that is all that matters in modern football and we did manage to score 1 goal.
Surely, all fans must be happy with the fact that we had the ball so much more than our opponents, isn't that what the modern game is all about these days? Some great passing around the back four, particualrly in the first half when it took us 17 passes to move the ball 10 yards forward and then we lost it.

[BleedingClaret]

Fair play to Southgate for experimenting but for those who usually moan about him picking a too defensive line up this shows that simply throwing on all your attacking players doesnt always lead to playing more attacking football.

Getting control of the midfield gives you control of the game and then push your full backs up and get your four attacking players in the game and you dominate and win games

Hard to judge the potential effectiveness of an attacking midfield if the forward or forwards don’t play up front
So the oppositions defence is organised and in touch and compact with their midfield and thus keep their shape with no threat of a big centre forward receiving the ball in to feet in and around the D or a pacy centre forward breaking the line, or even the combination of the two pulling the defence about and deep possibly creating space between the defence and midfield and possibly numerical overloads with the disorganisation caused.
We had individual brilliance, so we took him off.

[RVclaret]

Come on people, we had 64% possession and that is all that matters in modern football and we did manage to score 1 goal.
Surely, all fans must be happy with the fact that we had the ball so much more than our opponents, isn't that what the modern game is all about these days? Some great passing around the back four, particualrly in the first half when it took us 17 passes to move the ball 10 yards forward and then we lost it.

It was definitely slow motion football tonight. Not helped by a striker running through treacle.

[boatshed bill]

If people blow much more smoke up Foden's arse he'll fly off

[bf2k]

If people blow much more smoke up Foden's arse he'll fly off

Hopefully and didn’t land until Sunday morning

[Quickenthetempo]

Southgate showing how tactically inept he his.
Might as well have Ted Lasso in charge.

[Local cricketer]

Southgate showing how tactically inept he his.
Might as well have Ted Lasso in charge.

Best manager ever according to our resident Geordie on here

[Quickenthetempo]

Best manager ever according to our resident Geordie on here

There's a few on here that love him.

[Juan Tanamera]

To be fair, Southgate won the League Cup with both Villa and Middlesbrough.
So no one could ever accuse him of being a serial loser.
I'm sure we'll win something with him one day.
Yes, man.

[Ashingtonclaret46]

Just to clarify, the problems in the crowd which has been attributed to the Hungarian fans seems to have been created by Polish fans because all the flags in that area were Polish, not Hungarian. Strange goings on!

[timshorts]

Don't worry. I'm sure you will still have games against Vatican City and mull of kintyre left so that you can win the group easily, but I'm also sure Southgate will remind you that they'll be tough opponents.

[bfcjg]

With the players he has a available, with the easy groups then runs in competitions we have had,there is no excuse for us not winning something. His tactical naivety and pathetic substitutions against Italy cost us,likewise in the world cup semi final. He might be a nice guy but we will win nothing with this clown in charge.

[superdimitri]

Southgate plays only one defensive midfielder to field more attacking players and it failed. Yet one of his biggest criticisms is that he often plays two.

Perhaps there's a good reason he plays two, to give our attack more freedom perhaps?

I personally don't understand the hatred for him. On another day we could have been European champions, plus we've already seen the Hungarians are no pushovers.

As usual no one gives credit to the opposition and all criticism goes to the boss rather than the players.

[Woodleyclaret]

Oli Watkins should have started along with Tripp.The commentator raved about Saka coming on " now will see some pace down the flanks " all we got was a Butch Wilkinsesce back and sideways passing performance from another Arsenal pick of questionable ability .As for recalling Tammy that really does call the managers ability into serious disrepute.

[Woodleyclaret]

The mistake I made was switching on at half time.At least I didn't shell out £100 to watch this drivel, like the poor sods who watched it live and got a soaking into the bargain on the way home.

[Rileybobs]

With the players he has a available, with the easy groups then runs in competitions we have had,there is no excuse for us not winning something. His tactical naivety and pathetic substitutions against Italy cost us,likewise in the world cup semi final. He might be a nice guy but we will win nothing with this clown in charge.

Yet had two of those players who he has available scored their penalty kicks we would have won something.

The criticism of Southgate is just tedious. He has completely transformed the culture of this England team and given us more success than any manager in most of our lifetimes. You’ve got to be completely blinkered, or have an agenda to push, not to see this.

What’s makes this all the more amusing is that the constant criticism is being levelled at him by supporters of Burnley, who can’t win a game for toffee.

[KRBFC]

All I see is flip floppers and opinions of people who know very very little about football in general

[claretonthecoast1882]

and that is the perfect example of irony

[KRBFC]

Oli Watkins should have started along with Tripp.The commentator raved about Saka coming on " now will see some pace down the flanks " all we got was a Butch Wilkinsesce back and sideways passing performance from another Arsenal pick of questionable ability .As for recalling Tammy that really does call the managers ability into serious disrepute.

You're genuinely clueless, we all know that. Saka questionable ability? Next you will be telling us Tammy Abraham and Jack Grealish aren't good enough for Burnley, oh wait you already did say that..........

[KRBFC]

and that is the perfect example of irony

50% of this board are so clueless they still don't know it's Jeff Hendrick and not Hendricks and he played for us for nearly 5 years.... really low football IQ, I'd murder them all in a trivia and it wouldn't be at all close.

[Woodleyclaret]

Nice try KRBFC

[Billy Balfour]

I don't think it matters who you support. You could be a fan of Scunthorpe and still be critical of Southgate. I'll give him credit for transforming the culture of the squad, but this doesn't negate from what he lacks in tactical ability.

[Jakubclaret]

When people say he’s transformed the culture of the team/squad, I’m not quite sure if I see that I see a younger crop of players that have/are coming through with abit more belief than some of the old guard that have retired or been phased out that’s all there is to it. I don’t see many massive changes beyond that.

[Devils_Advocate]

Yet in the Euros he made 3 or 4 quite big tactical decisions to set up and play in a certain way to nullify the opposition which were criticised by most pre-game and proved to work perfectly in practice.

[Rileybobs]

I don't think it matters who you support. You could be a fan of Scunthorpe and still be critical of Southgate. I'll give him credit for transforming the culture of the squad, but this doesn't negate from what he lacks in tactical ability.

Nobody has said you can’t be critical. But comments like ‘we won’t win anything with Southgate in charge’ are just ridiculous. Firstly because what gives us the arrogance to think that we should be winning things, and secondly we were two spot kicks away from winning the first trophy most of us would ever have seen England lift.

Football experts almost unanimously give credit to Southgate, which further backs up my thought that a lot of people on here are either clueless or blinkered, or perhaps a combination of the two.

[Jakubclaret]

Or simply disagree perhaps

[Rileybobs]

When people say he’s transformed the culture of the team/squad, I’m not quite sure if I see that I see a younger crop of players that have/are coming through with abit more belief than some of the old guard that have retired or been phased out that’s all there is to it. I don’t see many massive changes beyond that.

He has totally transformed the culture, if you can’t see that then you’re trying hard not to. And that’s just looking in from the outside. Everyone associated with the team, including the press etc who are in and around the training camps will testify to this.

[Jakubclaret]

He has totally transformed the culture, if you can’t see that then you’re trying hard not to. And that’s just looking in from the outside. Everyone associated with the team, including the press etc who are in and around the training camps will testify to this.

Maybe other people can see this like I said I just see a different crop of younger players that have progressed into the side with abit more belief about themselves I’m not denying that, I’d stop short on this seismic transformation maybe like you say I’m blinded or deluded or probably both rolled into 1.

[Quickenthetempo]

Southgate plays only one defensive midfielder to field more attacking players and it failed. Yet one of his biggest criticisms is that he often plays two.

Perhaps there's a good reason he plays two, to give our attack more freedom perhaps?

I personally don't understand the hatred for him. On another day we could have been European champions, plus we've already seen the Hungarians are no pushovers.

As usual no one gives credit to the opposition and all criticism goes to the boss rather than the players.

You seem quite up on football and tactics. What would you have done to win the game last night against a well drilled Hungary side?
Say at half time. Plenty of numbers back for them and they got a silly penalty to make it harder to draw them out.

[KRBFC]

Hungary are a decent side capable of nicking a draw against good international sides, they've proven that against sides on the level of England. Their Euro performances were excellent, 1-1 tie with France, they were 0-0 with Portugal until the 85th minute and were beating Germany 2-1 until the very end when Germany equalised.

England didn't need to win last night, it's pretty much wrapped up, we aren't sweating like Spain and Portugal are.

[Hipper]

I personally don't understand the hatred for him. On another day we could have been European champions, plus we've already seen the Hungarians are no pushovers.

As usual no one gives credit to the opposition and all criticism goes to the boss rather than the players.

Hungary looked pretty effective in what they did. Indeed they could have won it after Saka's mistake. I often wondered why teams like this don't press England more at times. They don't need to do it all game but when Hungary did do this they looked a threat. Our defenders have shown that under pressure they make mistakes.

Abraham offered more movement in a few minutes then Kane did all the time he was on. Saka was ineffective and he came on for Grealish, our most likely player.

The referee was excellent, put up with no crap from anyone and got the big decisions right.

[kazza]

I agree with what Roy Keane said. We have to give credit to the way Hungary played and it was mixed with us having an off day. It happens.

Fair play for Southgate for trying the 1 defensive midfielder, although Henderson would be my pick if it was only 1 in future games.

[basil6345789]

Not too long ago that isn't even a foul.

Also, how long has 'fouls suffered' been a caption? I've never noticed that one before.

Indirect Free Kick for dangerous play

[aggi]

With the players he has a available, with the easy groups then runs in competitions we have had,there is no excuse for us not winning something. His tactical naivety and pathetic substitutions against Italy cost us,likewise in the world cup semi final. He might be a nice guy but we will win nothing with this clown in charge.

When you read stuff like this it gives the impression that we were winning loads of stuff before Southgate was in charge.

[Lancasterclaret]

I don't think you can overstate how well Hungary played in this one

But Kane played like he was Ashley Barnes, and he is absolutely key to everything we do

Taking off Grealish was a mistake as his ability to hold on to the ball under pressure is borderline incredible, but everything else made sense

And the amount of people who completely ignore how many managers have failed to do even a fraction of what Southgate has managed is more than a little weird as well

[kazza]

Hungary drew against France and Germany in the Euros and nearly sent Germany packing. They aren't as crap as many England fans seem to make out. I thought their pressing was excellent.

[bfcjg]

When you read stuff like this it gives the impression that we were winning loads of stuff before Southgate was in charge.

Read it again, he has such a vast array of talent after years of elite academy training that no other previous manager has had. For example if the great Bobby Robson had such players at his disposal would he be out thought in games like Southgate is ?

[bfcjg]

Yet had two of those players who he has available scored their penalty kicks we would have won something.

The criticism of Southgate is just tedious. He has completely transformed the culture of this England team and given us more success than any manager in most of our lifetimes. You’ve got to be completely blinkered, or have an agenda to push, not to see this.

What’s makes this all the more amusing is that the constant criticism is being levelled at him by supporters of Burnley, who can’t win a game for toffee.

It shouldn't have got to penalties though ! Players brought on with seconds to go to take penalties flopped, whose idea was that ? And as a Claret are we not entitled to a view ? Do you just think City ,Liverpool and Chelsea fans have valid views ?

[HahaYeah]

Gareths woke penalty fantasy failed in the final.

Didn't watch the game but anyway well done Hungary.

[Rileybobs]

It shouldn't have got to penalties though ! Players brought on with seconds to go to take penalties flopped, whose idea was that ? And as a Claret are we not entitled to a view ? Do you just think City ,Liverpool and Chelsea fans have valid views ?

Why shouldn't it have got to penalties? We were playing Italy, do we have a divine right to beat such a successful footballing nation that was on a mammoth winning streak? You know just as well as I do that bringing on our best penalty takers for the shootout could just as easily have gone the other way so it's a silly argument. And nobody is claiming that Southgate is infallible, or that he couldn't have made better decisions at certain times, but then again he's not afforded any leeway by some.

Of course we're entitled to views, but both England and Burnley are going through their most successful period in 50+ years, yet one team is judged by entirely different and unreasonable expectations.

[Rileybobs]

Gareths woke penalty fantasy failed in the final.

Didn't watch the game but anyway well done Hungary.

Woke? Do you even know what that means. Are you a child or a twitter bot?

[Jakubclaret]

You have to remember though good old Gareth’s transformed the culture though

[Stayingup]

Southgate plays only one defensive midfielder to field more attacking players and it failed. Yet one of his biggest criticisms is that he often plays two.

Perhaps there's a good reason he plays two, to give our attack more freedom perhaps?

I personally don't understand the hatred for him. On another day we could have been European champions, plus we've already seen the Hungarians are no pushovers.

As usual no one gives credit to the opposition and all criticism goes to the boss rather than the players.

I hope we defend as well as the Hungarians did in our next match!!! Having said that they could well have sneaked a winner with that chance for the substitute.

[Stayingup]

Woke? Do you even know what that means. Are you a child or a twitter bot?

I think you know what he means. But thinking back Rashfords Samba run up for his pen was certainly not the managers fault.

[aggi]

Read it again, he has such a vast array of talent after years of elite academy training that no other previous manager has had. For example if the great Bobby Robson had such players at his disposal would he be out thought in games like Southgate is ?

I think we'd have to disagree on that. There's very few of those players in the England team that I look at and think "they're the best in the world in that position". It's not as if England's players have progressed and all the other nations have stood still.

[Rileybobs]

I think you know what he means. But thinking back Rashfords Samba run up for his pen was certainly not the managers fault.

I genuinely don't have a clue what he means. In what way were Southgate's penalty substitutions woke?

And what's a samba run up?

[Lancasterclaret]

When someone on here rants about "Woke", its because they'd get banned if they used the word they want to use

And people like that are best blocked and ignored